SWINE FLU: GOD’S LATEST PUNISHMENT OF IDOL-WORSHIP
Posted by tiffanywellsley on April 26, 2009
Praise Jesus! The Lord is back. 
I have a confession to make. I’m not a perfect Christian. Sometimes, I lose confidence in God. I’m always apologetic to Jesus after that happens, but let’s face it: God doesn’t punish nonbelievers today to the same degree He did in the days of old. Granted, the tsunami was a fairly powerful sanction on those Orientals who worship everything from cows to obese men with feet where their hands should be. Katrina certainly taught those partiers, sodomites and Kwanzaa celebrants a valuable lesson. And as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson aptly observed, 9/11 reflected God’s fury for our tolerance of abortionists and homos. But lately, the Lord’s slaughter has been limited to the occasional flood, tornado and plane crash which involve just handfuls of nonbelieving sinners. But no more! The Lord is back with a vengeance.
One of God’s favorite conduits for extingushing evil is swine. Surely, we all remember the time that Jesus cast the devils possessing a nudist into a herd of swine which promptly drowned themselves. This time, the swine are staying alive and killing the devils, a/k/a Mexicans, a/k/a Catholics, a/k/a cultists, a/k/a idol-worshippers. Those people have always provoked the Lord with their “veneration” of Mary to the point that she has supplanted Jesus and become the Diana Ross of their religion, with Jesus relegated from THE Supreme to simply a Supreme. The cultists in the country just south claim to see Mary in everything from a stucco wall to an enchilada. They worship mortal “saints” and pray to statues. It was only a matter of time before Jesus became fed up and released the Trinity’s holy wrath on those dog-eaters.
Granted, this epidemic is starting to infect people who don’t belong to the filthy Catholic cult. But those victims had no business visiting that worthless wasteland of lazy idlers anyway. The Lord has never been good at exacting his vengeance with pinpoint accuracy. After all, the infants and unborn babies who died in the Great Flood and the fire and brimstone of Sodom and Gomorrah weren’t particularly culpable criminals, the firstborn children in Egypt couldn’t really be blamed for the Lord’s beef with the pharoah and locusts generally don’t limit themselves to the bad guys. But hey, whenever God goes on a killing spree to rid us of the wicked, it’s inevitable that there will be collateral damage. Let’s just pray that the INS strengthens its border patrols so wetbacks don’t spread the disease any further into this great nation.
Of course, there is a silver lining to every tragedy. If this disease continues to spread in Mexico, it could substantially reduce our illegal immigration problem. Perhaps that is God’s goal. The Lord does work in mysterious ways.
Tiffany
Emily said
I stumbled on your article looking for an update on swine flu. I am truly shocked and disgusted at your obvious hate. As a Christian and simply a fellow human that anyone can think this way both disgusts and more than anything, saddens me. You believe your views uphold Christian values but Jesus did not spread hate as your words attempt to do. If you are a parent I hope you reconsidor your poisonous views before you spread your hate to your children. God is love Tiffany. This sort of sentiment is not Christian. I am not writing to attack you but to let you know that your words touch people. That people use God as an excuse to spread hate is the saddest thing to me. I hope you pray for true insight and that God helps you see that the venom you are spouting is not Christian. I will pray for you sister.
Emily in Canada
Tiffany Wellsley said
Emily,
If you have problems with what I wrote, I suggest you take them up with God. I’m not the one who flooded the planet, killing every man, woman, child, infant and unborn baby (except for that drunk exhibitionist, Noah and his family) with the Great Flood. I’m not the one who burned to death everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah (with the exception of incestuous Lot and his soon-to-be pillar of salt wife). I’m not the one who killed all the first born children in Egypt because of the actions of the country’s leader. I’m not the one who sent bears to maul to death several dozen children because they poked fun at a bald prophet. I’m not the one who told the Israelites to kill every man, woman and child in the villages they invaded (and even to kill the trees). Etc., etc., etc.
What is your beef with me? God is the one who has slaughtered countless nonbelievers. Frankly, I happen to support his actions (unlike Bobby G, who instead finds outrageous and downright silly rationalizations for them). But I’m not the one who has killed the wicked. That has been God. Don’t shoot the messenger!
Tiffany
Anon said
Cultists? That sounds like a certain baptist blog I seem to visit regularly…
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
Months ago, you left a post indicating you were leaving this board for good. Immediately thereafter, you left yet another (moronic) post. When I called you a liar, you said you were leaving one final post, and if you ever came back after that one, we would be justified in calling you a liar. Do you not remember that? Be careful how you answer, because I’m having my PA go back through posts to find these. I will then re-post them here if you deny the admission.
Why have you gone back on your word?
Tiffany
blueollie said
Leave it to the Almighty to engage in yet another “shock and awe” campaign. Of course there will be collateral damage, though not as much as there was in the days of Joshua.
Note that the evil liberal atheist scientists continue to make is worse on themselves by claiming that this flu strain is the result of evolution and mutation.
It is the Work of The Almighty, pure and simple. We forget this at our own peril.
Bert Chadick said
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schadenfreudeda said
“If you have problems with what I wrote, I suggest you take them up with God. I’m not the one who flooded the planet, killing every man, woman, child, infant and unborn baby (except for that drunk exhibitionist, Noah and his family) with the Great Flood. I’m not the one who burned to death everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah (with the exception of incestuous Lot and his soon-to-be pillar of salt wife). I’m not the one who killed all the first born children in Egypt because of the actions of the country’s leader. I’m not the one who sent bears to maul to death several dozen children because they poked fun at a bald prophet. I’m not the one who told the Israelites to kill every man, woman and child in the villages they invaded (and even to kill the trees). Etc., etc., etc.”
You worship this ‘god’ why, exactly?
And have you visited PolkOut yet? Truely, it is a christian mecca.
trent said
if there is a hell, i’ll see you there.
Darren said
So let me get this right… Blueollie.
You are agreeing that what scientists are calling evolution, you are calling Gods hand. So Gods providence came in the form of him evolving a strain of this flu to target human beings.
also as a Fellow christian, you disgust me, how someone could be so vehement against another person is beyond me, let alone against a whole group of people… Do you personally know every catholic, every Mexican, every Gay and lesbian. Are you judging them for what they believe in and where they were born? Yes you are.
So please before you post anything that says “The Catholics” , meaning all of them, deserve this. Please.. go meet a few. Learn that they are human beings and not Swine.
Also. God alone has the right to judge. And he commanded you to Love. So he’s judging you, Will you be next Tiffany??
Ps. Hitler also hated one particular religion, and wished them to be exterminated… sooo if i get this right, you share his ideology??
Sincerely,
Darren
Chris said
“THIS SITE MAY CONTAIN CONTENT AND DISCUSSION OF A MATURE POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS NATURE. IT IS INTENDED FOR ADULTS OVER THE AGE OF 18 ONLY. THANK YOU.”
Please, … Let us know when this happens.
Thanks
Chris.
Anon said
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Anon said
o man Tiffany. What a waste of human life you are. I hope the Swine Flu hits you.
Anon said
I will pray for that.
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Anon said
That what Picard thinks about you.
Anon said
So when I hunt you down and “accidentally” kill you, I can say that God have sent me to punish your dumbass right? Everything happens in this world is the will of God right? Therefore, me posting on your forum, kicking your [obscenity deleted] and threatening to kill you IS THE WILL OF GOD.
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Anon said
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Anon said
> Anon, Months ago, you left a post indicating you were leaving this board for good. Immediately thereafter, you left yet another (moronic) post.
Are you so [obscenity deleted] dumb to realize that and one can call themselves Anon on the internet? They might not be the same one.
Go and get hit by a bus or something and remove yourself from the gene pool.
Anon said
I’ll be back you [unChristian language deleted] who life really consists of blogging her truth on the interweb instead IRL. People like you deserve not to have a life.
[Attempt to impersonate the Lord deleted] said
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Hans said
Way to go, Tiffany, way to go !!
Take the bible literally and this is what you get.
[UnChristian language removed.]
Thanx, You made my day !!
Hans van Riezen
(The Netherlands)
K said
IS this what you “republicans” have stooped down to? A bunch of idiots rambling about fairy tales you don’t even understand. I thought this site was a joke, but its real? haha what a bunch of clowns
Nikita said
I wouldn’t be too worried about catching it Tiffy, apparantly the worst affected are young adults between 20 and 40 so you’re safely out of harms way, being old might actually work in your favor for a change.
Christopher said
The Lord has never been good at exacting his vengeance with pinpoint accuracy.
What are you a non-believing ATHEIST? You doubt the power of the Almighty in His ability to kill accurately? That is blasphemy! Those babies were going to sin one day, and He was just getting ahead of the game. Perhaps the Lord knew ahead of time that someday they would create a blog like yours to spread idiocy around the globe and He had no tolerance for that.
Melissa said
I am a Catholic and just recently became aware of how much SOME other Christian dominations hate us because sometimes we pray THRU the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus Christ. As a child i was aware that not every Christian domination was Catholic but felt happiness that we all shared the belief in Jesus Christ and i thought that is that and Jesus can be the judge of that. Through my entire life i have felt Jesus with me and pray to him always but have great respect for his mother as i am sure he has also. Is the swine flu a punishment from GOD? Well we sure are living in interesting times – a very sinful world – God help the young people for they have many temptations ahead of them – how long can GOD hold back his wrath. The world needs a wake up call back to GOD that is for sure!
Hah said
Just wait until it happens to you; then who will be laughing?
Anon said
Tiff, I remember what I wrote and had no intention of returning. But I had a change of heart.
Pretty much like you said you wouldn’t continue Blank’s debate. Then you had a change of heart and decided that you would.
~N said
After they’re done with the spics, they can run them damned nigras straight back to Africa. Tired of seeing them on my tv all the damn time.
Prach on and AMEN!
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Dominion Over All said
I have just happened upon this blog and I would like to pray to the Lord Jesus that you, Tiffany, can spread your Holy word among this evil, wicked worlds non-belivers. The filthy fags, Jews, Catholics, Moslems, Idolaters, cultists, evolutionists and worst of all, A-hiests (I can’t even bare to write that word) must feel God’s wrath and the sooner the better.
As you say, how ironic that it is the swine (take THAT Jews and Moslems! LOL!) that will cast the wicked into the firey bowels of Hell where they belong.
Long live the Lord Jesus and blessed be the day when God’s great love will shine down upon the Earth. An Earth free of filth and radiating with the joy and love of pure Christianity.
[Attempt to impersonate the Lord thwarted] said
I hope you and your children get the swine flu
lulz said
You actually responded to “anon” as a person that has posted here before? You’re stupider than your post implies, Anon is the canonical abbreviation for the word Anonymous, someone who doesn’t want to tell you their identity. Silly hatemonger.
steve c. said
Speaking of swine, you stole that pig picture of the pigs. It is a AP file photo that you swiped. (Here’s the proof: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/04/24/f-swineflu-faq.html) Keep one eye over your shoulder, God’s coming, and he hates dirty thieves.
Fred said
Wow. You are one sick hillbilly.
hidden101 said
hmmm… it appears that this was posted on Sunday, the holy Sabbath. hopefully your neighbors recognize what you did and bring you into the town square to stone you to death for working on the sabbath.
praise be to our LORD and savior, Jesus Christ.
viva! swine! flu! said
[Obscenity deleted] the haters. you are absolutely right. those of us living in texas are some of the ONLY people in the US who are greatly effected by the illegals jumpin walls and destroying our towns. we have nowhere left to run. i do believe this is god’s way of thinning the herd. did you really expect Obama to help? thanks, god. you rock!
hidden101 said
man, this website is AWESOME.
Bonghits4Jesus said
Man, this has got me all scared. Only one thing to do. BONG HITS FOR JESUS!
anon said
Oh, hey Hidden101! Just saw you there. Are you following me around?
Daniel said
I hope the Flying Spaghetti Monster has mercy on your souls.
Anon said
Your racist comments aside, how can you believe in your God (omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent) when “whenever God goes on a killing spree to rid us of the wicked, it’s inevitable that there will be collateral damage.”
This doesn’t sound like your God is really all too powerful at all, seeing that he can’t smite an individual and has to smite a whole group. I guess his power has waned over time.
Oh, and the best part: you show obvious lack of compassion for humanity, which I would regard as morally corrupt thinking. In fact, you’re quite relativistic with your accounts. It seems pretty obvious that the atheist would have a much easier time getting into “heaven” than you.
yrmom said
It’s always a treat to wander through the mind of sick, sick people who justify their rage at their sad, meaningless lives with biblical verse.
I often wonder if it was the growing up in isolation that warped you all’s minds or if it’s an organic/nutrition problem.
Well, regardless…thx for the rollercoaster through bizzaro Jesusland. Going back to reality now.
Ta!
Luke Reddings said
Amazing post. I am envious that God chooses to communicate so clearly with you. Just the other day I prayed to him to see if a fatal traffic accident was his vengeance but he didn’t answer.
What’s your secret to understanding what is and is not his vengeance and wrath?
sheep said
Tiffany,
I have come across your site as part of our church online mission. I believe you to be enlightened to the God’s Word. But have you considered that the lords word has been corrupted by your church.
Do you sometimes feel that your faith is belittled by your so called leaders making, as you put it “outrageous and downright silly rationalizations”
I would invite you to come to our online church at watchtower.org to learn more.
May God go with you.
Rupert said
I had a vision last night. A vision delivered directly by Jesus Christ himself. He ordered the true believers to get on with things. Not to wait for the rapture. Rather he has demanded that we true believers deliver ourselves by our own hand unto him as swiftly as possible. Leave the heathens to this world and send ourselves to HIS heavenly kingdom today. He wants this done now, so don’t delay.
Zamboni Palin said
“f you have problems with what I wrote, I suggest you take them up with God.” Please, tiffanywellsley , you are responsible for what you wrote. You can’t blame that hatred on God. God loves Her creation; it’s pathetic “christians” who made hate part of their religion. I’ve got a feeling when you meet your maker, She won’t be very pleased with what you’ve done in Her name.
Checkers said
I stumbled upon this by mistake. I see you being no different from the Muslim terrorists that you hate so much, wishing death upon those who believe differently from you. Doesn’t God teach to love one another? To be tolerant of others? There is no right or wrong Christianity. The Bible contradicts itself in so many ways, it’s just that some people choose to believe different parts of it. I do not wish any harm to any of you, you are entitled to your opinions, but I truly hope that you see the error of your ways… soon.. for your sake and for the sake of tomorrow’s World. But, then again, children are smarter now than they were when you were growing up. We, as human beings, have discovered more and are encouraged to question more. A more unbelievable practice like yours may raise questions sooner and stomp this ridiculous garbage out sooner.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon (and I’m addressing this to our regular Anon–despite his false promise never to post here again–and not the recent imposter),
You still don’t get it, do you? How “good” you are as a person has absolutely nothing to do with whether you get into heaven. The key to heaven is quite simple — accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and turn your life over to Him. Once you do that, you’re guaranteed heaven, no matter how many sins you may commit along the way. If Timothy McVeigh, a 9/11 terrorist or Adolf Hitler accepted the Lord before he died (and we have no idea whether any did), that person will arise to heaven. Mother Theresa, Ganhdi and every non-Christian charity worker will fry for eternity because they were never born again.
Please rid yourself of this notion that our faith in any way suggests that good deeds are somehow related to entrance into heaven.
Tiffany
Anon said
Not ka-blamo
The Fish said
This article truly sickens me. If Jesus (or God) came down after reading this, do you REALLY think that he would say, “Hey, good job!”? No. He would probably smite you down to Hell where you belong.
Jesus’ teachings are of peace, love, and tolerance, not hatred. Being a Catholic, we were taught to love EVERYONE. Nowadays, I’ve denounced religion because of people like you: hate mongers who don’t realize that everyone is the same. We all follow the same codes of life: Don’t murder; don’t rape; don’t steal. In essence: Do unto others as you would have done onto you.
People like you, Tiffany, are what’s wrong with America, and your type of people are what is bringing this country to its knees. Jesus says, “Love thy neighbor.” You say, “God doesn’t punish nonbelievers today to the same degree He did in the days of old.” You’re not even listening to the same teachings you so proudly profess to be loyal and faithful to. This, my dear, is hypocrisy.
Jesus WILL love you for your unfaltering faith, as that shows how much He means to you. However, he will turn away when he sees what you truly stand for: chastising those who are deemed “unpure” to you. Well, I’m not a Christian anymore, but I’ve taken all of the good things from Christianity (Catholicism) and I use them in my daily life.
I try to be a good person everyday. I live my life everyday, thanking god I, and everyone I know and love, is alive and healthy. I get SAD when I see things like Swine Flu coming, causing people to suffer. Those people lost their lives, the most precious gift of all. And then there’s people like you who refuse to treasure life based on something as trivial as religion. Jesus taught us to treasure ALL life, yet, AGAIN, you go against the same teachings that you are so adamant in shoving down everyone’s throats.
I’ll pose one question for you. There are two people: Dick Cheney and Joe Blow. Joe Blow is not Christian, but he lives his life in a manner that would be considering holy if he was a Christian. He, however, is not of any particular religion. Dick Cheney is a man who is known to have cheated, lied, killed, all in the search of more money, also known as greed. He, however, is a Christian who goes to church every Sunday. Who do you think God would let into heaven? The “heathen” (who does everything a pure, righteous Christian would) or the “righteous” Dick Cheney (who is only good because he thinks that God is FORCED to forgive him for his sins)?
(That last tirade was NOT political; it was a demonstration tool. STRICTLY. As a Republican myself (REPUBLICAN, not right wing nut-job), I am sick and tired of hearing bashing of real Republicans when most don’t even know what one is.)
Hillary's Foof said
What about the poor pigs, eh ?
Not only have they got to put up with sore throats and runny noses from having influenza, but they’ve also got every bugger blaming them for a couple of humans dying and, to cap it all, most of you feckers want to eat them as well ! Bastards !
If you want to blame anyone, blame the Turks (the ones from Llanelli that is, not the ones from Turkey)
Did you know a camel starts sweating at 40 degrees C
Dildozer said
Your beliefs are laughable and I find them amusing. Keep the hate coming. Hail Satan!
Anon said
You’re either crazy-stupid, or the Internet’s Most Epic Troll Ever.
I really hope you’re the troll. God help us if you’re not.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon (about the 10th person using that fake name today),
I am a regular poster of this site. I post in the name of the Lord, strictly adhering to the mission of this site. The fact that you’re one of these namby-pamby liberals does not give you the right to attack my sincerity. The only “troll” we have on this board is a rug muncher named “Nikita,” and she’s only a troll in the sense that she should be living under a bridge. Now, run along and go make unfounded accusations elsewhere.
Tiffany
Weeping Sore said
Now look – if you all stopped eating meat (well, apart from, in certain circumstances, attractive young ladies)you’d all have healthier colons.
Did you hear the one about the dyslexic agnostic who wasn’t sure if there was a dog ?
andrew said
Well, I guess my only beef with what you have wrote is how you claim that god is such a bad shot. I mean, He is all powerful and omnipotent, his hit ration should be 1:1 not 1:x. It think your portrayal of god as a bad shot and not a crack sniper is dishonoring his name and you too shall be cast down with the rest of the Mexicans, Catholics, cultists and what not.
Waaaaghh said
Plato once said that for everything that exists, there is a perfect form of it somewhere. A perfect Human being, a perfect chair, a perfect stick; so that everything is a Shadow of that one perfect form. Now, if we follow that train of thought, that means that somewhere in the world there exists the perfect form of an insane blog rant.
This is that rant.
Anon said
People like you are the reason I left the Church.
The Fish said
To prove my point earlier, here is an article about a religious man who found “the hand of God” in a rock formation on a wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/26/idaho.rock.auction/index.html
Yeah. It’s God’s hand. Let’s make money on it. WAY TO GO, RELIGION! KEEP THE PIETY!
Rich said
You are a tribute to Jesus’ ideals. There is no warmer love than the fiery hatred of any difference from your perceived norm. Difference from a uniform point of view is evil. Had nobody ever had a different point of view from this norm, we would all be much happier living in clay houses in filth and nauseous odors, dying at 30 when we are lucky not to be slaughtered by regular tribal warfare as our blessed ancestors were.
I don’t believe in “science” and never will. That’s why I’m writing this message with berry ink on tree bark, which a condemned fool types on the “Internets” for me in exchange for my delicious roots and leaves recipe. Hypocrites who actually use technology to decry technology should cut their own throats! They are an abomination to our Lord.
And damn those liberals! Without their foolish ideas, we would never have had this cursed democracy and freedom would be restricted to a small deserving caste. I know I would be much happier living as a slave, toiling the earth with my bare hands and not having to think about what I’m going to do the next day.
Anon said
Louis said
You folks are some seriously deluded sick puppies.
Jay said
The picture of the two guys in sombrellos is obviously from [Disgusting obscenities removed.]
Kirill said
This post must be a joke. I can’t imagine someone being truly this “fundamental”. I think it’s an insult to modern Christians.
John said
Tiffany,
I hope that you find the psychiatric help that you need. You obviously have some mental health issues. Your health insurance probably covers mental help; as a Christian I say you should check into it. You are a laughing stock, I am sorry for you. So there are innocent Mexican children that have died of swine flu. Your God is up in heaven making small children suffer and die because they could potentially become illegal immigrants into America one day? ….Right. You need help. Seriously. Wow.
Anon said
You’re an idiot.
Anon said
LOLOLOL!
This is hilarious. And when I say hilarious, I mean truly sad. What a disgrace you are to the republican party and the group who chooses to believe in god. Not very christ like, that’s all I have to say.
Athiest said
It’s deluded crap like this that makes me athiest. god doesn’t exist, and if he did, he sounds like a cunt.
Jay said
What does god say about you enhancing your autoerotica with pictures of men in sombreros.
Star said
You obviously live in the Old Testament. Read the new one and the message of Love from Jesus. You do know who Jesus is right? You can’t pick and chose what YOU like in the Bible and force it down people’s throats and assume what God is doing or who He is punishing. How mighty you think you are with your claims. Do you consider yourself a Prophet too? You tell people to read the Bible, I would recommend you do the same and take Jesus’ teachings to heart more than anyone else’s gospel you read full of fear and evil.
dan said
what makes you think that you have the right to call anyone a rug muncher you [obscenity deleted] muppet the way I see it you already live under a bridge. a bridge of self hate and loathing. the way I see it your nothing but a [nasty language removed] racist, homophobic, self absorbed child who is too warped by your own self pity so you feel like you have to project your misery through what can only be described as a form of social control. seriously get a grip everyones human and the sooner you realise that the sooner you can get off your meds and start living. I rest my case.
passerby said
I thought that after The Flood, God made a covenant with Man to not inflict disasters as punishment any more. How come he punishes people throughout the rest of the OT? And I thought the NT was all about Christ bringing us are more peaceful message, redeeming us all? No more retribution killings until the End of Days when all saved would be resurrected in Heaven On Earth, and all the sinners thrown in the fire.
I guess I prefer to just spread messages of peace and hope; to talk about redemption through personal salvation, as Jesus taught us.
joe said
You are no Christian
The word “Christian” refers to a follower of Christ who preached love of man and kindness to all. You seem to be interested in nothing but pride and wrath.
I strongly recommend you look into getting some help. Go to a therapist, a priest or a psychologist. Please.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Star,
I am so sick of pseudo-Christians like you. You have never even cracked the spine on a Bible. You know about Christianity only from which you’ve seen on TV or banners at high school football games. Jesus is just as wrathful, vengeful and jealous as his Daddy.
Jesus told us we are to live our lives in fear of God for God has the power not only to kill us, but to torture us forever in hell (Luke 12:5). Jesus told the disciples to bring before Him any man who didn’t believe in Him, and to violently slaughter the non-believer while Jesus watched (Luke 19:27). Jesus killed one man by having his body eaten by a swarm of worms because the man failed to give Jesus His due (Acts 12:23). Jesus struck a Jew blind for thwarting His teachings (Acts 13:8-11). He struck a man dumb for failing to listen well (Luke 1:20). He took the lives of a husband and wife by scaring them to death for not forking over all the money they made on a real estate transaction (Acts 5:1-10). During one particularly temperamental time when Jesus was hungry, He even killed a fig tree for failing to bear figs, even though Jesus knew figs weren’t in season (Mark 11:12-14).
According to the New Testament – inspired by Jesus, Himself, come Judgment Day, God will gather the non-believers and hurl them into a furnace of fire where there will be uncontrollable wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42, 50). Entire cities of people who don’t believe will suffer a fate worse than that of Sodom and Gomorrah (Mark 6:11). Jesus told us that God will take “vengeance on them that know not God” by burning them forever “in flaming fire” (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9).
The brutality and destruction will not be entirely blase, though. There will be great sparks of creativity. Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads, women’s hair, lion’s teeth and scorpion’s tails that will sting and inflict savage pain on sinners for five months (Revelation 9:7-10). As a result of the fires, plagues and beasts He inspires, the world will be covered in unburied dead bodies, rotting everywhere. The smoke of the burning, rotting bodies will ascend and plague the Earth forever (Revelation 14:10-11). And the smell will attract scavenger birds who will feast upon “the supper of the great God” (Revelation 19:17-18).
God will send an earthquake to kill 7,000 people (Revelation 11:13). And to add just a bit more drama, He will exercise his wrath by inflicting bodily sores, turning the seas and rivers to blood, scorching everyone with fire, causing people to consume their own tongues in pain, and causing horrendous storms that will strike dead the now speechless (though sated) sinners (Revelation 16:1-21).
Every single verse cited above is from the New Testament, Star. I suspect the gastric bypass you had while on The View resulted in malnutrition of the brain.
Tiffany
ramgarden said
http://www.godisimaginary.com It’s time to stop believing in Santa Claus. Time to grow up. Time to realize we are all one species of mammal all sharing the same atmosphere and crust of a liquid hot ball of elements that will one day be destroyed by our own star when it runs out of hydrogen fuel. Once you realize we are all the same your hate will go away. Once you realize that religion was invented by man your hate will go away. I used to be a Christian Baptist until I hit 10th grade in high school and actually learned about how the world and universe works. I no longer needed a made up explanation of magic to fill in the gaps. I realize there are still a few more gaps but they don’t require a made up imaginary answer. Please stop the hate and get the best education you can, even if it’s just reading some books and research on the internet. Thank you for your time and may you have good journeys.
Enlightenment said
JESUS HATES YOU!
Katie said
WOW!!! Have you ever heard of the word GRACE!! Yeah something Jesus did a long time ago on the cross that Saves us from all of this!! How can you be so hatefull. That is not what Jesus is about and that is not what Christianity is about.
SB said
Este chavo tiene severos problemas mentales, vamos a tener que donar algo de dinero para poder pagarle un buen terapista.
This guy has severe mental problems, we might need to donate some money to pay for a good therapist.
LoLoLoLoL said
You know Jesus wasn’t white right?!
Colin Shovlin said
Hey Tiff,
I wanted to start out by saying you definitely are a believer in God. However, you seem to have read way too much into Jonathan Edwards’ sermons. You seem to have a very skewed and dangerous view of God. If you honestly believe that the ONLY way to get into heaven is to “believe that God exists”, then I’m pretty sure you are not going to heaven. Have you even read the bible? Ever hear of the commandments? Or mortal sin? Your logic is completely void. God wanted us to be respectful of everything he created. That includes people who believe in things that you do not. Wishing death upon anybody is JUST as bad as killing them. You are just a sad, sad fundamentalist who obviously needs to re-read the Bible. I bet you believe the part in Genesis where God creates two lights, one for the day (the Sun) and one for the night (the moon). Never mind that science has completely disproved this, and that the moon does NOT produce light, and rather reflects the sun’s light. You have to realize that the Bible is not the true word of God. It’s a collection of stories that have been repeated over and over via word of mouth, and then finally put on paper by people who clearly had much less knowledge of the world than we do today. Believing in God does not mean you believe he wants everyone but you to suffer for not taking everything in the Bible quite so literally. It actually hurts my soul to hear you preach this hate.
TRY disproving the stuff I said. You will just embarrass yourself (even more than your blogpost).
You’re the one that needs to truly be saved,
Colin Shovlin
[Obscenity deleted]you said
[Obscenity deleted] your religion. [Obscenity deleted] you. [Obscenity deleted] your hate. your god would be ashamed of you.
LoLoLoLoL said
*Or American for that matter!
Anon said
FYI dumbass, Anon stands for Anonymous.
Anonymous said
You’re an amazing [unChristian word removed] Tiffany.
No seriously, I envy you.
Keep on keepin’ on.
J said
I was raised Christian and what made me drop my beliefs were egotistical “followers” like you that use the religion to fit your agenda and point of view. You can skew the Bible anyway you wish to make a point but that doesn’t mean you are truly knowledgeable in your religion. From your previous statements, all you have shown is that you are a vengeful, hate-filled person. These are not qualities of a “good” Christian. I feel sorry for someone like you that spends so much time, energy and resources on a counterproductive way of life. I hope for your sake that if there is a Heaven that GOD forgives you like you should forgive those that do not live the life that you do not believe in.
Anonymous said
Aww come on Tiff, removing that word removes the entire context, and makes people believe I don’t think you’re a complete idiot!
CATBW said
Live in fear of God and God’s wrath because he has the power to torture us? What is this nonsense? If there really is a God who is going to do all that, let’s see him get started with me. I dare him to torture me and inflict bodily damage to me right now. Hmm, I’m waiting… OH OUCH! Oh never mind, false alarm. Yup still waiting. Guess what? Its never going to happen. You know why? Because he doesn’t exist.
A concerned Christian. said
Tiff, I hope that it is okay I call you that.
Anyway I just found this place and it is complete atrocity to Christianity! Please do whatever you can to rid the Earth of these heathens.
Here is the site: http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org
Your brother in Christ.
schadenfreudeda said
You can praise Jesus over at http://www.polkout.com.
“After they’re done with the spics, they can run them damned nigras straight back to Africa. Tired of seeing them on my tv all the damn time.
Prach on and AMEN!”
Why aren’t the “Unchristian Language” slurs muted? Racist.
Speechless From UK said
[UnChristian language deleted.]
You ‘christians’ are unbelievable. The comments I have read here are totally unbelievable and should be deleted. Bigoted is not the word.
We face a world crisis and all you can do is link it to the bible.
You disgust me!
wearenotimportant said
Its exactly this kind of ignorance that dooms all of us.
Jim said
Tiffany, you are so diluted by your own self-worth that you can’t even answer other questions posed to you. All you do is pick scriptures from the bible that back you up, but there are just as many that show how wrong you are. Countless wars have been started by people like you who feel they can use the bible to push their own agenda. I’d keep on going, but none of it will even get through to you anyway. I hope you can someday realize that spreading love is much more constructive (and christian) than spreading hate.
Laughing Hysterically said
Hahahha! Its so astonishing that in our modern and sophisticated world you would actually cling to some ideal and image that was contrived during the childhood of humanity for answers. Clearly your very unintelligent and anti-life. Why would anyone want anything to do with your “christian” god- who clearly seems unmistakably as evil as his supposed opponent “the devil”. I will say this, only the people who believe in such nonsense will receive such nonsense… your already living in your own made-up hell.
Murray Zhang said
Tiffany:
Born again 7/5/2003; long time lurker, first time poster.
It’s pretty clear that you have a deep hatred for all that do not subscribe to your beliefs. With any luck, God will destroy your hatred with a nice dose of swine flu. Jesus is love.
I’ll pray to God that you will become enlightened and cast off your misguided views. I want to love and forgive you, but if Jesus won’t, who am I to argue with him.
-Murray
sekionou said
I had to read a few of your articles, because I though your site was a practical joke. But no. Apparently not.
Unbelievable.
Don’t you have any sense of decency, tolerance or good-will?
It is a real shame that you are such an egotistical megalomaniac who is tarring others of good character and faith.
I’m not even going to respond to the inaccurate, despicable and defamatory post you created, as it would just be feeding your frenzy. I really don’t want to come down to your level.
All I can say is that you appear to be in violation of your own Terms of Service on many counts, and therefore perhaps you should ban yourself.
-s.
schadenfreudeda said
Quick question. What ever happened to “The meek shall inherit the earth.”? It’s kinda biblical.
I’m no christian, but I’m still better read than you, Miffany.
Anon said
[Moderator's note to board: A number of posts by this "Anon" have been deleted. You should be aware that the IP address of this individual is different than the IP address of the individual who calls himself "Anon" who regularly posts here.]
Wow. You know, if you stuck to reading school books instead of bibles, you would realize “Anon” is short for “Anonymous” (this is what the educated refer to as an “abbreviation”). And hopefully you’ll understand “Anonymous” by definition is literally anyone and everyone. As long as you make the mistake of assuming it’s the same person, you will fall into the trap.
P.S. I dismiss your article entirely because it has no basis in reality whatsoever.
Rusty shackelford said
WOW the content here is very harsh not the comments but the blog it self. What about preaching tolerance I think Jesus said something about that somewhere. The idea that Katrina was sent to teach the people in New Orleans a lesson is sick not to mention that the most damage and life lost took place in Mississippi were the community is one of the largest Christian communities I have ever seen and lived in. So if it was aimed at the people of New Orleans why did the eye target all of his people on the gulf coast who are devout Christians and blindly give their welfare money to the 700 club? With the 9/11 comment well well if God did this then he must be a Muslim radical or did he just have a conversation with the Muslim word to help him on his mission then take them out when he was finnished, and the Mexicans with putting Jesus 2nd well the Lord must have thought that Mary was a very powerful women to be able to have the Christ child doesn’t that entitle her to some props to be able to archive such a feat? Reading this Blog has reaffirmed what I thought spending 2yrs in private Christian school the amount of hate that is spewed from so called Christians is unbelievable and if you think that pushing your hate is going to put you next to the Father I think your going to find that you will have to spend eternity learning how to love and except all as Jesus did, and by the way when they find the ten commandments we’ll all be Jewish anyway
James Kirk said
You are stupid, racist, scum.
Mudkipz said
Metaphor… look into it.
Goober said
Love thy neighbor as thyself…
Congratulations on your utter perversion of the basis of Christianity!
Evangelion 01 said
First I would like to say i really apretiate this sights work in trying to destroy libralism. It truely is and evil that must be defeated.
However I would also like to respectfully disagree with your statement the this is gods will. Mexico does have many people who are athiust but it also is quite religious and by religious I mean christian religious not fake religiuos. There would be no reason to attack mexico and leave places like indea unharmed.
Also Anon Please shut up. your obviously a troll and i would suggest that you stop before you upset someone who is truly dangerous.
BrotherInChrist said
Praise! I had received a revelation that it was time to flee my True Christian compound in Mexico one week earlier than normal and return to my normal Christian neighborhood in Sarah Palin land. I had successfully passed through U.S. customs and immigration and had landed at Ted Stevens (Christian) Airport in Anchorage when the news story had just begun to break.
I have long suspected that I might have been the only True Christian in Mary Worshipping Mexico and I give Thanks to The Lord for inspiring my exit before He turned loose His latest plague. Thankfully The Lord protected my PC which has Windows XP (X being a common, offensive abbreviation of Christ) as my Vista laptop refuses to function in the frozen land of Alaska.
Is it any wonder that The Lord would unleash an especially deadly strain in a country where the vast majority of people are idol worshippers or worse, pray to multiple deities, none of which are associated with Christian Faith.
It is such a blessing to return to Christian soil and I live less than 200 feet from a Baptist Church, but which I can not attend as it is one of the Jesus Loves misguided faith that picks and chooses the nice and friendly verses of The Bible. It is a comfort to have not completely True Christians as neighbors instead of idol and animal believers surrounding my compound in south of the border. (moderator, new closer to Christian Internet Provider now, no demonic impostor)
I see the Hand of The Lord in sending an earthquake to Mexico this morning. I think the choice of swine as a vehicle shows The Lord has a sense of humor. Although the goat would be a cloven hoofed animal more symbolic of Satan, pig meat regarded as filthy by both Jews and Moo-Slums, false religions that are both correct in their condemnation of sodomites.
Note to June Gordon: The Blessed Lord protected all my medication from inspection by customs to which I partially declared on my customs form under misc. purchases. Praise!
Truth in Knowledge said
Tiffany, you state (and I quote)”the Lord has never been good at exacting his vengeance with pinpoint accuracy.” Sounds kind of strange for a perfect being. If I were a perfect musician, would my music not be perfect (as in without flaw)? If I were a perfect doctor, would not my craft heal everyone? We are human, and as such are incapable of being perfect, but the Lord Jesus Christ is perfect, so when He exacts His vengeance, shouldn’t it be perfect? The answer is yes. All actions by a perfect being would be perfect: collateral damage would not be present. Swine Flu is an act of biology and not divinity. You are the reason that Christianity is on a decline in this world. STOP spreading hate, and start spreading understanding, cooperation, and love. Love thy neighbor, right? Last time I checked, Mexico was our neighbor, and a beautiful country, rich with history and culture. Educate yourself, and read a book not called the Bible. When you open your eyes to truth, you can see the world God intended.
Evangelion 01 said
Anon stands for Anonymous?
As in the 4chan Anonymous?
You complain about raceism but do remember “the pool is closed” incident?
I await your reply my “friend”.
Nur Quatsch und Unsinn said
There’s nothing Christian about your racist, hate mongering rants. You obviously understood nothing of the new testament, and should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for hiding behind a vail of piety. But then again… the only way you can get a bit of attention (which is your intention) is by posting this hogwash…. Please find something more constructive to do.
lol said
tiff, you a fat worthless human being who should probably should have been aborted in the womb.
[obscenity deleted] hurts said
scumbag
Guy Koppel said
There is a lot of truth that is said [inappropriate language deleted]. Tiffany – I appreciate your [inappropriate language removed] and also that you actually read the Bible. It is obvious that many who have responded do not, nor do they understand what it means to ‘fear the Lord’. They like to see only what they deem as ‘good’ in God and cannot comprehend that ‘His ways are not their ways’. God is Love and disciplines those He loves…the ultimate discipline being death. He’s not going to contend with anyone for more than 120 years. Plagues are coming. It’s a part of end-times. If you worship Mary, repent becuase God is a jealous God. Those of you who actually seek truth in reading the Bible will find it, but you may have to throw down your religion and tradition which clouds your mind. Although I don’t see God as a comic, I do laugh at his irony – swine flu
At some point in my life, I might be infected and die from the disease and become a part of the numbers. I deserve death more than many of you, but thanks be to author and perfector of my faith for his obedient death…offering his blood on a heavenly altar that I might be reconciled to the Father.
Hans said
I’d like my post 21 http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/swine-flu-gods-latest-punishment-of-idol-worship/#comment-38770 being removed OR placed ” as is “.
Or perhaps you can explain me ([UnChristian language removed.]) what was unchristian language in my stating:
[Blasphemy deleted]
It’s YOUR site and you can decide to block messages, you don’t like, but publishing subscribtions PARTIALLY is NOT DONE !!!
You crippled my message
Hans
[Moderator's note: Your message was crippled from the start. If you don't like our policies, might I suggest you refrain from posting here? And if you think you have somehow been defamed in any way by our moderating, please let us know. Otherwise, shoo!]
Truth in Knowledge said
BTW, to everyone who wishes ill will against Tiff, you are being as bad as her (and you know it). I do not wish death upon her, or any misfortune. She will accredit this to God, and will not learn from it. Instead I wish that she will learn how to reason, and expand her worldly view to accept that every culture on this planet offers something for the betterment of society.
Then I hold dear that if this doesn’t happen, her ignorance keeps her high on the nominee list for the coveted Darwin Awards.
Anon said
I love how comments are removed which call Tiffany the garbage she clearly is, and are being replaced with some gay moderators crap about them being “unchristian” and her original comment praising death and suffering remains untouched. Religion makes me lulz, people who follow it to this extent make me cry.
[Moderator's note: You're obviously new to this site and have read very few posts here. Countless posts attack Tiffany and none of them are edited unless they contain obscenities or blasphemous language.]
Steve said
Tiff, you’re a nut. Today, people in general have skeptical outlooks on those who claim to have been witness to “miracles” as well as skeptical towards the words being spewed from everyone who has an opinion’s mouth. The question is, why, if we don’t believe everything that people say and say they saw, do we believe other people who are already dead that say they saw Jesus do this or Jesus do that? So maybe the floods of the past, or the exorcisms of ancient times aren’t quite what they would seem today. Hence the fact that acts of God, other than the ever fluctuating climate, do not happen anymore. People are smart enough to debunk illusions of the present, yet some people are still stupid enough to believe that a magician actually did pull a rabbit out of a hat… 2,000 years ago. If you can’t believe in the man made gods of ancient Egyptians, then why should we believe in the man made gods of ancient Jews? The sooner we can get people to start questioning everything, the sooner we can start solver the ever growing problems in which man is the root cause. I look forward to a response.
Brae said
You…are…an…idiot. You know what the definition of a Christian should be; “those who help the helpless.” Obviously, you arent living up to the code. If there is a Hell, you are going to burn…tell that to your Priest.
Regards,
The Athiest
Jim Schielke said
Tiffany,
yes I know GOD punishes people, however you,ve made some very hateful statements that I wish you would reconsider.
GODS Love extends to all people that doesnt mean everyone will follow him.
He chooses and woos,however free will brought about evil.
Please everyone on here please alot of you are giving non believers fuel to think we hate each other.
We must extend Love to all while not liking them but that does not mean hate.Hate is forbidden-
the most excellent way is LOVE.
Satan is laughing right now and children this must not be so.
please hate should never have been brought up, I Did not bring it up I am trying to combat one of satans deceptions.
Peace and GOD Bless everyone of you.
jim Schielke
Star said
Wow Tiffany Wellsley,
Your lack of love for your fellow man does not resemble the God of Love I am familiar with from the Scriptures.
As far as your accusations that I have never cracked a Bible are far from true and judgmental on your behalf. Ask questions before assuming, besides who are you to judge me?
I am not going to even try to begin to argue with you but from the Spirit deposited in me by God Almighty, you have truly lost your way and are not worshiping the same God you profess. Your god is of fear and anger. My God is of Love and mercy. Jesus was not all fluffy clouds and rainbows, but he did preach LOVE…something your physical father obviously never gave to you and in the damage your physical father instilled on you your perception of God the father is flawed.
If I could make time go back for you to have your daddy hug you more as a child I would. Your bitterness is from the devil and you do not know what you preach. Jesus warned us about people like you.
One Scripture that you shortened to prove a worthless point was Acts 13:10 which YOU should take to heart because it reveals your own sick self diluted agenda behind a cloche of “Christianity”.
“You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?” (Acts 13:10)
Seriously, from things I have read here and on the internet about you is that you are a hateful bigot who uses the Scriptures to pull others down to your realm of hate and fear. The world has a lot of you, so no need to continue to think you are special. You are a pestilence to Christianity.
Stop for a minute and think about 10 things you love and tell me how long it takes you to even get that question straight in your head.
Also tell me, do you love your neighbors? Let’s start with the ones that live next door to you first? Or do you argue with them and hate them too?
You need to reevaluate your walk with Jesus.
With all the Scriptures you said were “inspired” by Jesus, not one mentioned let alone hinted to the character of Jesus’ true self and his love for the lost. You don’t have that in you and that would make you a true disciple of Christ. Are you a disciple of Christ?
You are wasting your life being hateful.
I hope you do can see the sickness of your own disease that is affecting the world you touch which in comparison to the swine flu is off the charts and killing more and more souls than the swine flu even could even imagine! Call on the great Physician to heal you, He’s the only one who can penetrate a heart as hard as yours.
I truly hope God’s mercy will help guide you back to your faith.
Peace and blessings to you in Christ Jesus,
Starshines
Mr.J said
Very interesting.
Matrix99 said
Tiff, you sound like an idiot hillbilly that is mad at the world ‘cus you probably grew up getting molested by you stepfather..you built up all that anger against other ppl and now you feel the need to express that anger through religion, how pathetic are u. Its ok dont be mad anymore, im sure your stepfather didnt mean any long-term harm by letting you have it every night after supper after your mommy was asleep..you crack me up lol…you sure sound like a total idiot..god bless you my child..i hope you get over that hate and all you endured in that trailer park home for years ..xoxo!!
Veronica said
Tiffany,
You need a psychiatrist BIG TIME!
Iason Ouabache said
I don’t get it…
Tiffany Wellsley said
Iason (what a suspiciously foreign trash-sounding name–unless you just don’t know how to spell),
You “don’t get it” because you haven’t accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. When you do, you’ll start to understand the obvious, and you’ll be guaranteed an eternity of bliss. Now, tell me where else you’ll find a deal like that! Jesus rules!
Turn or burn!
Tiffany
schadenfreudeda said
“Judge not, lest ye be judged.”~Bibledude
But you can judge away at http://www.polkout.com/forum.
schadenfreudeda said
Are you aware your ancestors didn’t live in America? And that they were foreign at one point?
Tiffany Wellsley said
Shadefruita-whatever,
Regarding my ancestors, they had the good sense to leave those depraved foreign lands and come to America. What a shame that yours did not.
Regarding your comment about judging, I am so tired of leaving the same response. But it appears we have some newcomers on this board who need to read it. Jesus never said we’re not supposed to judge. In fact, He instructed us to judge. He simply said we should not judge by any standard other than the one by which we ourselves would accept being judged. But He expressly told us to judge. See, e.g., John 7:24 (”Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”); 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (”Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”); Matthew 7:6 (”Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine”) (How would we know who the pigs are unless we judge people like those being killed by the pigs. LOL!).
The passaeg to which you’re alluding (but have probably never even read) comes from the first few verses of Matthew, chapter 7. In those verses, we are told that we are not to judge UNLESS we judge by the same standard by which we would expect to be judged ourselves. I am happy for anyone to judge me as to whether I worship statues, idols, Jesus’ incubator or phony visions of that incubator. I am confident I’ll pass the test.
Tiffany
some one smart said
You are an idiot and I hate your guts. Anyone that thinks like you is a a moron.
The world will be much better without morons like you. DROP DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dave said
god is not real. religion was solely created to keep order in civilization.
some day people will accept fear of the unknown instead of pretending in fabricated bull[obscenity deleted].
Cliff said
You are the reason many people turn away from religion, especially Christianity. You’re ignorance is ridiculous. My guess is you believe the world is only 6000 years old, dinosaurs are a fraud, and the Egyptians and Romans are fake. I probably have more faith in other fictitious figures like Santa and the Tooth Fairy than I do in your “god”.
-BelieverInChrist- said
I can’t believe you have the audacity to come on a cristian website and call mexicans “wetbacks” and the catholic church a “cult”. You call Jesus’ actions as “imperfect”. You are giving Republican Protestants a bad name. I bet you don’t even belong to a church. If you do you should seriously speak to a pastor outside of your church about your beliefs and let them minister to you The Word.
winston Smith said
Unbelievable, The religious nuts in this country will not fade into obscurity like the old believers of Oden or Zues.
When will you understand that you Tiffany, DO NOT HAVE A DIRECT LINE TO gOD. Nor do you have the intimate knowledge it would take to interpret the bible or “the lords work” if he did exist. You present yourself as some type of authority figure, yet no where on your site do I see a listing of credentials that would allow you to present your THOUGHTS & FEELINGS into the WORD OF gOD.
with every reply you offer to the comments you make yourself seem more and more an authority of god and the bible. Are you more informed than say a Bishop, or a Cardinal, do you even hold a degree in theology at a bachelors level?!
No, your just full of opinion like everyone else. Worse however you choose to convalesce your opinion with a superstition that is beginning to lay in its death bed this century.
I truly believe with all MY heart that the world is going to be a bright and shiny place for humanity when religion finally joins the absurdity parade along with Santa Claus, the easter bunny, and the lock ness monster.
Understand this Tiffany; Your voodoo is what is keeping humanity from reaching its full potential. Do not mistake religion as the doorkeeper for morals when it has spawned nothing but intolerance, hate, wars and a mass of walking zombies unwilling to learn anything because they have “faith”
You make me ill.
andy said
Worthless, misguided, racist, hateful, heretic.
You and your lonely little friends aren’t worth the time I’ve wasted writing this.
I have never read something that stinks quite so much of bull[obscenity deleted] as your article does.
I hope you realise just how wrong you are……..
[Moderator's note: You typed "realise" with an "s." Just out of curiosity, are you English trash or Australian garbage?]
Tiffany Wellsley said
Believer,
You say that I give Republican Protestants a bad name with my writings on a “cristian” website. Not only did you fail to capitalize the word that should reflect the essence of your being, you spelled it incorrectly! Illiterate buffoons like you are the ones who give Republican Protestants a bad name. Why don’t you become a Democrat to level the playing field a bit?
Tiffany
3rdiopen said
HAHAHA. You wouldn’t know God if he [vulgar concept removed]. You will most certainly be in hell..LMAO you are seriously not even a christian, but a bigot. God doesn’t love you and he never will.
God, please come down to this planet and kill tiffany so that the rest of us can live in peace finally. How do you like that one? I just prayed for you death! there you go, that’s what you do. So lets see how you like it.
Steve said
I can’t believe the blatant hypocrisy in this article. you call yourself a christian, but you aren’t bright enough to know that catholics are christians as well. I’m probably wasting my time with this, because after reading the rest of the comments, it seems that tiffany will not get the message. The hatred and bold faced negativity is really unchristian like to where i can’t comprehend the church this person goes to. Or if the rest fo them at the church are this extreme.
also, you do know that the jews believe in the same god you do right? they don’t believe that jesus was his son, but none the less it is the same god. so the hate towards the jews, i don’t get either. I don’t think you are fully informed Tiffany. I think you are listening to the regurgitated crap you hear at church, and you believe it without thinking for yourself. Im glad you have faith in god, but i really think you need to question how you believe and what you believe. Do you believe that god is love? or do you believe that god hates anyone not like you. you should know that god created man in his image. and he also created free will. That people would have the choice to believe what they wanted, that doesn’t make them bad people. do you really think that god would ahve created us without the ability to choose on our own? He wanted people, not robots.
YosserHugthes said
Thank you, thank you one and all, I’ve been an Atheist my entire life; now I know why.
Reading stuff like this confirms what I’ve always believed about religion and religious people.
Keep it up, Atheism will be triumphant for sure.
none of your goddamned business said
You people are the filthiest of pigs.
Nothing worse than a bunch of Jesus [obscenity deleted]-kissers who enjoy [obscenity deleted] in the faces of people who don’t tow their narrow, bigoted line.
[Obscenity deleted] all you idiots to hell where you came from.
Gorgonzola said
[UnChristian language removed.] There’s no way there is someone THAT stupid and meanspirited.
Curious, do you eat anything fig related?
none of your goddamned business said
Tiffy, you’re just a bleeding right wing dog’s [obscenity deleted] who needs to go suck on Jesus’ [obscenity and blasphemy deleted] just to feel superior to everyone.
Why don’t you just shove a steel crucifix in your [obscenity deleted] until you die.
Hans said
[Satanic symbols deleted] !!
I was under the impression that this [unChristian language deleted] and I [unChristian language deleted] !!!
What a sick minds !!!
If you like censoring UNchristian language and UNchristian and obsceen words so much, Why not TRASH this whole blasphemous site ?!
Many happy returns of the lord !!
Hans,
MoreThanPowerful said
Tiffany,
[UnChristian language deleted]?
I’m not here to debate on whether there is or isn’t a God. I am a believer and absolutely astonished at the garbage spewed forth in your publication.
To be honest, all of your statements reek of fear. The real question everyone here is….do you believe? If so, why does your mind rot full of such hate and confusion?
Bears the markings of a sociopath, such an effort to engineer your world. Must be a lot of work.
Cheers,
MorePowerfulThanYouWillEverBe
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Star said
Tiffany,
I am genuinely curious why you are so mean?
I’d like to also point out that while you were belittling “Believer”,
YOU
SPELLED
BUFFOON
WRONG
YOU
FORGOT
AN
O
You are one of the biggest Christian HYPOCRITE bullies I’ve seen on the Web.
Fernando said
I agree with you 100%. Down with the Catholic swine!
Star said
Nice quick fix MODERATOR! Tiffany you are a joke…Did it hurt when your daddy penetrated you when you were 8 years old? You are a sad despicable person who does not know JESUS. Ignorance is definitely bliss for you!
Jasper said
what a rectocraniated site.
nononsense said
Oh my, as a fairly liberal Brit who is undecided about religion I often wondered why Republicans were made to look a bit thick, and, well, lets be honest, very small minded.
Having stumbled upon this site, I now realise that everything I’d assumed to be true, is!
I do love America, I’m just glad your last election wasn’t fixed (like the previous one!), the world really is a safer place without people like you lot in charge!
Having said all that, this has certainly been entertaining – lol!
James said
For following the anti-Christ, I’m sure that you’re going to be sorry for what you wrote here. I suppose that the floods in North Dakota were for…..? The floods in Texas were for…..?
Remember, Fox News = 666 News (F=6th letter)
Ben Shambrook said
Hail Satan!
Ben Shambrook said
My dark lord and master!
Ben Shambrook said
Also, deleting my posts deletes the evidence that I’m evilllllllllll!!!!!
Ben Shambrook said
All will bow before Atheia!!
Ben Shambrook said
http://amazingsuperpowers.com
I_Hate_Jesus said
I have something to say.. well, right after I [obscene verb removed] my [obscene adjective removed] lover [inappropriate name-revealing gender removed]… Oh [obscene scatological term removed], I better wipe off with the bible… Stop with your insane neo-fanatical religious bull[obscene defecatory comment removed]. Keep your [obscene verb deleted] beliefs to yourself. Stop condemning everyone else just because they don’t pray to the same invisible spooky mythic figure you do. You know who God hates? You extremist insane bible-thumping ignorant fools who don’t stop for five seconds to realize that you can’t even practice what you preach…
Hans said
Dear moderhater,
[obscenity deleted] [UnChristian language deleted] [Satanic symbols deleted] !!
[vulgar concept removed] [obscenity and blasphemy deleted] [inappropriate language deleted]
This is sooo [inappropriate language deleted] !!!
Hans
Nikita said
Oh dear Tiffy it does seem you’ve made a few too many idiotic comments.
Truth in Knowledge said
Tiffany, can you give me the name of your church? I want to research it and see if it is your pastor that has failed you, or if it was your morality that failed you. If your pastor did, I would like to write them and try to understand why they spew hatred (Like the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka,KS). If your views are not shared by your church, then maybe your pastor can try and save you; and believe me you do need saving. Even though I am agnostic, and I don’t believe in “saving”, you need some help, and if you believe in “saving” then I hope you get that.
If you are scared of giving me this info, please look at my previous responses. You will see that I have treated you as an adult, and have been nothing but respectful, despite your lack of respect for cultures different than yours.
Emily said
Ok I am still totally disgusted by Tiffanys delusional bigotry and do hope she seeks the mental and spiritual help she so clearly needs but…
two different people attempted to insult her by saying she was molested by her father/step-father….. WHAT??? Are you as bad as her that when you try to insult someone you do so by saying they were a victim as a child? Can you not think of a more appropriate way to disagree with some one than by insulting INNOCENT victims of pedophilia? So many people here are disgusting me in so many ways…
I’m pretty sure I don’t have swine flu but I still think I have to go puke now.
F U said
Bugger off! stop infesting my internets with your extremist dribble. Atheism FTW!
StarGirl said
Tiffany- have fun in heaven with Hitler, I’m sure you too will get along famously with the old ‘death to anyyone that doesn’t agree with me’ idea.
The really sad thing is your right, your religion is based on hatred and punishment and anyone doing the whole ‘Jesus loves everyone’ whine, go and read your bibles, God kills anyone in his way and the New Testament is where Hell is first mentioned so that’s not a book of love and cheer either.
I think your views are disgusting, judgemental and extremely ignorant but your respresenting Christianity well and making so many people see that Atheist’s are the rational, loving ones so for that I thank you. And as lol pointed out, you have also made a great case for those of us who are pro-choice. Thanks again.
Jack Frammer said
I ended up here via twitter.. read the post and quite frankly I’m embarrassed and ashamed of you. Christ was a libertarian. Social justice is core to His message. He came with a new promise and to show that God is love, and I have no doubt in this. You seem to choose to ignore this for your own political agenda. In this respect you’re as bad as the terrorist who kills in the name of Allah. You should be knowledgeable of other philosophies and thoughts – cultures and histories, even if you disagree with them. Many roads lead to Rome.
Idol worshipping homosexual cultist catholic mexican said
Thank you ben for this wonderfull link!
Logic said
You are so [obscenity deleted] crazy its killing me. You’re like a [blaspemous obscenity removed]! How can you be so f[obscenity deleted] ignorant and just bow down to some [blasphemy deleted] sticks that you think symbolizes a god?
Rev. J. Reed Braden said
Wrong.
Gordon Brown said
I challenge Tiffany here to respond, not to me, not to anyone else who just came on here to laugh at her, but to one of the many seemingly ‘missed’ comments making a valid point against her demented hate mongering. Its strange but you just seem to like calling people trash and insulting them as opposed to backing up your beliefs with anything.. oh i don’t know… Rational! Oh and while I’m here, what is it with you Americans who think that God exists solely for you? Its infantile! I’m just waiting for you loons to actually write the USA into the bible, I wouldn’t put it past you. Never mind, you have been very entertaining and the only people who take you seriously are your own deluded kind.
Anon said
Tiffany,
And this is the original Anon (I suppose this is the curse of choosing that name) I will always choose the good deeds over heaven, because heaven to me is entirely a selfish goal.
Craig said
“Jesus never said we’re not supposed to judge. In fact, He instructed us to judge.”
Hang on a moment. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” As I understand the way Christianity is supposed to work, we’re all sinners, right? Even if we repent of those sins, we’ve still sinned. That’s the reason he was needed in the first place, I believe. That means that no-one except Him has the right to cast the first stone, that is, to judge, no?
By the way, I think my cotton socks have some Lycra in them, so according to Leviticus (19:19), I am an abomination. My tent may also have some mildew on it and I didn’t ask a Rabbi if I should burn it (13:49). I also have a verucca, could you direct me to Aaron, he’s not in the phone book (13:2). And I ate some bread without checking if any seeds but wheat had grown in the field (19:19). Whooo, boy am I in trouble. You sure you’re all clean too?
Oh, heck, you can make that book say anything you like, you do know that, don’t you?
Me said
It’s people like you who make it impossible for everyone to get along. Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Bible-thumper, but I was under the impression that God loved all of His creatures, and that He is a good and loving God. If anyone is ruining this world it’s close-minded people filled with hate for other humans. Of course, I also wonder if God has become so disappointed with those that He created in His image, who have become so spiteful and angry, that He has deserted us and left us at the hands of people like you…
PimpMyGod said
Thing is if god does arrive on our shores theres a good chance he’ll catch swine flu and die, or at least get weakened to 50hp and become susceptible to stat changes and “ha-dou-ken”. Revenge shall be ours.
Herman said
Dear Tiffany
You state in your article:
“The Lord has never been good at exacting his vengeance with pinpoint accuracy.”
and finish that particular paragraph with:
“But hey, whenever God goes on a killing spree to rid us of the wicked, it’s inevitable that there will be collateral damage.”
I thought God was infallible? Your article implies this is not the case; if God is unable to direct his wrath with ‘pinpoint accuracy’ then He is capable of making mistakes. You must therefore, given your own reasoning, concede that there is a 50% chance that God’s apparent smiting of ‘Mexicans and homosexuals’ is a mistake and He is wrong to do so.
Just to remind you; infallibility is an all or nothing thing, you can’t be a ‘little infallible’ or ‘occasionally infallible’
I assume your rather strong views on Mexicans, Catholics and idol-worshippers are built on what you believe to the true word of God as taught to you by Him? Well, seeing as His word includes a complete dismissal of His own infallibility this must leave open the possibility that His instruction for you to hate these people with such a passion is incorrect.
Following this logic you must consider the very real (statistically a 50/50 chance) possibility that your beliefs and especially your hatred is misguided and WRONG. Please reply rationally.
Yours
Dave
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Sister Tiffany,
Wow! You certainly stirred up a nest of Jesus-haters with this post.
Obviously any true Christian would appreciate your post and it is only obvious that the swine flu is designed by the Lord Almighty to kill off the Mary-worshiping illegal-immigrants-in-waiting in Mexico [and any American so loathsome as to come into direct or indirect contact with them].
You did notice that the outbreak in Jew York City was centered on “St. Francis Preparatory School,” the largest Papist high school in our once Christian republic busy luring children into Mary-worship and Pope-love (pedophilia).
All these disgusting sinners get what they deserve, as the Bible says. And we, well we should laugh at their torment:
Psalm 52:5-6 - God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him
Praise Jesus!
In the Blood of the Lamb,
Brother Bob
[Obscenity deleted\ Out Of Hell said
[Blasphemy deleted] even so, what a sick person for spending so much time and effort on something so horrendous and inhuman. To me the idea that someone out there actually holds these views in this modern age is worse than any of the crusades, mass genocides or acts of terrorism that have ever occurred. Humanity never fails to disappoint me
Luca said
Did you really just say that Catholics are nonbelievers? Do you even realize that most Christians are Catholic? And calling Mexicans devils is not only wrong, but it makes me hate you.
You don’t judge people by their nationality and neither does our Lord Jesus Christ.
Reading this really upset me.
Tess said
Tiffany you said:
Let’s just pray that the INS strengthens its border patrols…Of course, there is a silver lining to every tragedy…it could substantially reduce our illegal immigration problem. Perhaps that is God’s goal.
God had already passed a law on immigrants…
“And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.” Leviticus 19:33-34
Peace
Tess
Luca said
Sorry, I did not want to say that I hate you, I just think calling Catholics and Mexicans devils is not right.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Dear Luca,
Of course Papists – or ‘Catholics’ as some say – are “believers,” just in a false doctrine promoted by Satan. The Roman faith is a radical anti-Christian ideology built on femiNazi-inspired emasculation: by replacing the Lord Jesus Christ with his non-divine mother (Mary) and turning boys into gay homos by having their priests rape them as children.
No true Christian can deny the validity of the original 1611 King James Version of the Holy Bible (which Mary-worshipers reject); the natural inferiority of women (as repeatedly reaffirmed in the Holy Bible); and that homosexuality is a sin (though a major part of “Catholic” child rearing is “playing confession” with the good priest in a dark little closet every week).
Papists are believers alright, but not in the Lord Jesus Christ. For the record, I am a Bob Jones certified deprogrammer that might be able to help you escape the curse of heathenism and join we the righteous in the warmth of God’s love.
Yours in Christ,
Brother Bob
Gorgonzola said
At least put us on the hellbound page!!
Jobe said
Heh, what really scared me was when i first stumbled upon this page, [UnChristian statements deleted] I like sites like this.
It makes it easy to show how the mind faculties of fundamentalists work to those that i explain the dangers of irrational thought to.
Cheers!
-e-
Anon(ymous) said
“9/11 reflected God’s fury for our tolerance of abortionists and homos”
So “God” caused 9/11.
By this logic… God is a terrorist…
Man, am I glad I’m an athiest and don’t waste my life worshipping a terrorist.
Though, at least terrorists are real.
Justin Ashworth said
Your religion is based on lies and murder, but supposedly promotes love.
I don’t want to spoil everyone’s day here, but i have a simple little exercise that can prove the god you believe in isn’t real. True, all you need is a common house hold bath tub and some razors.
The blood drained from your wrists, your soul (and even the existence of that is up for debate) faded out into the nothingness where there is no heaven or god waiting to give you eternal happiness, and more importantly, no internet for you to spread your hate on.
No I’m serious.
Kill yourself.
j.
Dram said
Lawl teh nooz ghey. I have one. You been there? Goddiggetty-[obscenity deleted]dables.
Ahnold said
Hey I gotta shave but I have straight razers. You know of a good electric one? Anything capable of taking on a porn-stache is acceptable. Looking forward to hearing from you! I’m tired.
Ahnold said
GHEY. I have it. Ghey Goose. Vodka. Silly goose. Heeheeheehee FIGHT DA POWA.
jm1204 said
“She’s not with us”
Signed, good Christians.
Caymen Paolo said
The hate of everyone non-christian in this blog is astonishing. Do you really believe in a god so based on hate and vengance? We can only pity you. What gives you the arrogance to put your god above anyone else’s – cows or obese men? Maybe they’re right and you’re wrong? Won’t you be surprised when you find that out?!
Johnny Skids said
Holy hell, you’re dumb as [obscenity deleted].
Anonymous said
It’s all because you touch yourself at night, Tiffany. THE SWINE FLU IS YOUR FAULT.
Charles Manson said
Ha! You’re too funny! …and they thought I was twisted!!!
arturo hernandez said
Tiffany,
Today im as glad as ever to be Mexican and Catholic and extremely glad to not be a Christian. Althought, I know most Christians aren’t as ignorant as you. I have no knowledge of the Christian faith, nor am I interested. I fully respect anybodies individual believes and traditions. However, my 9 year old daughter was curious about the swine flu and came across this, what seems to me as a form of hate speech. I’m not perfect, I don’t go to church every weekend nor do I volunteer my time to help the needy. I live my life the way my Mexican parents taught me. Never say or do anything to hurt or insult anybody….period. It’s sounds very simple..you try it. I know it’s very hard for me to do, knowing most people walk around not wanting to be bothered or woth an attitude. God would never, ever do anything to harm us. For your information, the United States has the solution to “our” immigration problem.
If you think Mexicans dying of diseases will help, know this. Do you really think a country as powerful and rich as this would allow anything to happen that wasn’t to their advantage. Millions of illegals pay taxes for wich they receive no benefits, other than having an honest job and a humble home. Whay do you think.
Your humble servant…
Caymen Paolo said
Wow!! … I just read some more of Tiffany’s responses. My god doesn’t believe in hate like this. I think she’s the one going to hell by the definition of my god. My god is the real one, not this hateful parody.
She’d fit right in with the islamic terrorist bombers. Sick, sick, sick and very dangerous.
Anonymous said
OH NO a person with faith in a religion …*gasp*…. stating their opinion
QUICK TO THE SMUG ATHEISTMOBILE
Federico said
All of this…
ALL…
Is so laughable.
Fortunately, I don´t know anybody like Tiffany. Not even close.
Fortunately, I only read about things like this on the internet, so I won´t ever have to interact to human beings like this.
Fortunately, there are very few people like Tiffany on my country. We are a little bit more open minded. Also, we live in peace.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like Tiffany in the world, not only worshipping the christian god, but worshipping a lot of kind of gods, like money and materialism, and other more “contemporary” gods. Satan is laughable too. Every dogma, every religion has DEEP CORE problems.
All of them are equally dangerous, and equally harmfull.
People need to start beleiving in themselves, and start tolerating what every one thinks as “their truth”. Starting with people like good ol´ Tiff.
I don´t think she´ll ever response to this post, except if there is a spelling error (that I think will be ´cause english is not my born language).
I don´t want her to response, either. I don´t need to. Only she needs to justificate everything with her little bookie.
I feel pitty for the world. Human being is so dumb, and it´s going to get killed all right.
But not by god.
By ourselves.
Thanks Tiff.
Steve said
Luckily I don’t know anyone like Tiffany or Brother Bob… that’s hilarious, Brother Bob. Sounds kinda KKKish doesnt it? or is it Master Wizard Bob? Either way, you both, and your followers, are cowards.
Matrix99 said
Aww poor Tiff..its ok dont be mad at the world and diff types of religion..its no their fault your stepfather [obscene, unChristian concept deleted].
Matrix99 said
oh and by the way, Pedro called…he said not to worry he won’t beat your trailer trash anymore, you can come back home to him and live happily ever after ..you dont have to be upset anymore and hate the world..he said he’ll take it easy on you…he’ll use more [obscenity deleted] so it doesnt hurt too much lol..
Federico said
All of this…
ALL…
Is so laughable.
Fortunately, I don´t know anybody like Tiffany. Not even close.
Fortunately, I only read about things like this on the internet, so I won´t ever have to interact to human beings like this.
Fortunately, there are very few people like Tiffany on my country. We are a little bit more open minded. Also, we live in peace.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like Tiffany in the world, not only worshipping the christian god, but worshipping a lot of kind of gods, like money and materialism, and other more “contemporary” gods. Satan is laughable too. Every dogma, every religion has DEEP CORE problems.
All of them are equally dangerous, and equally harmfull.
People need to start beleiving in themselves, and start tolerating what every one thinks as “their truth”. Starting with people like good ol´ Tiff.
I don´t think she´ll ever response to this post, except if there is a spelling error (that I think will be ´cause english is not my born language).
I don´t want her to response, either. I don´t need to. Only she needs to justificate everything with her little bookie.
I feel pitty for the world. Human being is so dumb, and it´s going to get killed all right.
But not by god.
By ourselves.
Thanks Tiff.
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Anon said
Keep deleting my posts. got nothing but time.
Anon said
Caymen Paolo said
April 27, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Wow!! … I just read some more of Tiffany’s responses. My god doesn’t believe in hate like this. I think she’s the one going to hell by the definition of my god. My god is the real one, not this [unChristian language deleted].
She’d fit right in with the islamic terrorist bombers. Sick, sick, sick and very dangerous.
(I AGREE)
bentown said
I can’t help but read this with a sense of sarcasm running through the words… It’s difficult to believe that this could be serious.
Darwin’s rolling over in his coffin… not least because people with views like that of Tiffany’s actually persist, not only to believe, but to preach this balderdash.
Keep up the good work Tiffany, if your god exists then maybe you’ll get the chance to have it out with him, attempting to justify your hate mongering, balls-to-the-wall racism, and religious elitism.
adios
Anon said
Oh and Tiffany, just as an extension on my previous response, just because you believe in God you don’t need to be horrible towards others – you say it matters whether or not you’re good or bad, just that you devote your life to God and the Bible. I’d have total respect for you if you tried stepping away from the hate and strife. I mean that’s the only problem people really have, sure we get called Jesus haters, but at the end of the day most people don’t mind what somebody believes as long as they’re not hurting anybody…even a lot of atheists, though there are atheists that believe Christianity and other religions are poisonous and I argue against them about it.
Quote:”[Moderator's note to board: A number of posts by this "Anon" have been deleted. You should be aware that the IP address of this individual is different than the IP address of the individual who calls himself "Anon" who regularly posts here.]
Wow. You know, if you stuck to reading school books instead of bibles, you would realize “Anon” is short for “Anonymous” (this is what the educated refer to as an “abbreviation”). And hopefully you’ll understand “Anonymous” by definition is literally anyone and everyone. As long as you make the mistake of assuming it’s the same person, you will fall into the trap.”
The moderator made that note because he/she doesn’t want to confuse people as to which Anon is posting, I’ve been posting here for a while and being a thorn in Tiffany’s side, so I’m sure the members will want to know which Anon they’re talking to, incase they use something against me that I didn’t actually say.
But where has this massive influx of people come from? I’m assuming it’s been advertised one a website somewhere?
Juju man said
Ha ha you are hilarious Tiffany! You’ve made my day
Keep it up, laughter is good for the soul… I’m really falling on the floor. And all my friends too. We’re going to sacrifice a few chickens for you right now and eat them raw before getting down to our serious business of partying. Thank you!
Juju Man said
#185 and #186 well said
Bekka said
Oh Tiffany. I will pray for you at Mass on Sunday. You are clearly misguided, spouting all this hatred. Don’t you realise your Baptist religion was birthed by MAN from the Catholic ‘cult’ (as you call it)? Read your scriptures, particularly 2 Peter 3 which says ‘they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.’
This is what your church leaders have done to your demise. Embrace the church of Christ, the only apostolic church. We believe all who adhere Christ’s teachings will have eternal life – especially those who have not heard the Gospels, and for the rest, let Christ be the judge, and let us pray He will be merciful for their sakes.
Tom said
Wow…
After reading this, I am so glad I’m an atheist. I’m shocked that this debate is even taking place. The story is riddled with hate and racism – I can’t believe that, in this day and age, these attitudes are still so prominent.
Do you just ignore scientific evidence? It certainly seems so.
Juju Man said
By the way do you suppose the Mexican American and African American boys in Iraq fighting for your freedom (freedom to hate) have checked out this cool website yet? I’m sure it would be just great for morale…
LoveLove said
God is LOVE! No hate, just love!
Really though, I don’t know how you manage living your life like that. After reading your post, I really just feel sorry for you. I could never imagine living life with such a hateful heart. You should really reconsider your extreme views for the sake of your own sanity. You might be a lot happier if you do. Just a thought.
Anonymous said
“I’m not the one who flooded the planet, killing every man, woman, child, infant and unborn baby (except for that drunk exhibitionist, Noah and his family) with the Great Flood. I’m not the one who burned to death everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah (with the exception of incestuous Lot and his soon-to-be pillar of salt wife). I’m not the one who killed all the first born children in Egypt because of the actions of the country’s leader. I’m not the one who sent bears to maul to death several dozen children because they poked fun at a bald prophet. I’m not the one who told the Israelites to kill every man, woman and child in the villages they invaded (and even to kill the trees). Etc., etc., etc.”
Actually, no one is – this is all made up
Rock the Kasbah said
This is great, you make the Taliban look liberal! I love people like you. Because Christian and Islamic fundamentalists, like yourself do so much to discredit the medieval doctrines in the bible and make them seem unappealing to the rest of the world!
Get over yourself and start living your own life. Stop worrying about other peoples!
Kasbah!
Simon said
Whatever happened to ‘love your neighbour’?
Mary said
Well Tiffany, I guess your god hates Mexicans , and is an American,
you have a very distorted and disturbed view of christianity , maybe you should seek help
Fiona said
“The Lord has never been good at exacting his vengeance with pinpoint accuracy.”
Disgusting comment, may the Lord strike you down for your lack of faith.
Louis said
I could understand this line of thought if we were still living in Biblical times. However, in this scientific age we know that this virus began as avian flu, evolved (mutated for those who cannot handle that word) to swine flu, then evolved into a form of flu that enters human bodies. Join the 21st century folks or be left behind.
[Moderator's note: The fact that the Lord used mutations to exact His will hardly makes His work any less laudable.]
laura jones said
i am going to have you arrested
[Moderator's note: Could you have them do it after 3 p.m.? I have a hair appointment at 2 that has been scheduled for weeks.]
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Jason said
Unreal.. Seriously. I thought the idiocy spouted by the so-called righteous after the 9/11 attacks was bad. It sickens me to know that people truly believe in this crap. Every day I wonder whether the decisions I’ve made in my life were the right ones. I wonder if divorcing myself from the church and religion was the right way to go. And I don’t have to go far to find inane ramblings like the ones posted here.
Tiffany, if you truly believe that a God that punishes people like you say is just and good, then I hope you meet him someday. I think you’ll find that he lives up to exactly what you believe he does. That standard is impossible for anyone to live up to.
I’m not sure if I believe in a God or not, but should he exist, I doubt he has the time or inclination to intercede in this manner. I’m not even sure I believe half of what is written in the bible, or that the bible is in any way complete. If you can’t think for yourself and decide, on your own, what is right and what is wrong, then I’m not sure there’s any hope for you.
According to God’s teaching, it’s wrong to kill, wrong to seek vengeance, etc. Yet your God does this all the time. Sounds to me like a case of “Do as I say, not as I do.” And this after stating that you should treat others as you would want them to treat you… Nice. So God gets to kill, maim, and destroy, but we’re supposed to love him and obey his every wish? I think not.
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Rectum.....guinea-pig.......egg-whisk - BINGO, it's lovin time Momma ! said
Pah !
You try doin’ your missus up the wrong ‘un in the same field as an angry bull, with a big red target pained on your arse !
It concentrates the mind and ensures efficient achievement of the objective !
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Rectum.....guinea-pig.......egg-whisk - BINGO, it's lovin time Momma ! said
Oh come on…………..I’m only having a laugh mun !
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Julia said
Tiffany – you are one SICK puppy!
Matt said
The author, Tiffany, is no christian, a christian loves all and prays for those who do evil. A true christian loves their neighbor as themselves, even sinners, as Jesus loved us all. Those who exhault themselves will be put to shame.
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Star said
Matt, Tiffany may be a raging nutcase who is full of hatred but you cannot say she is not a Christian. I suspect from her post and yours she’s paid a bit more attention to her bible than you have to yours, go and read it again, those love parts are just the ones you want to be true, there’s plenty of hellfire and brimstone in there too.
Namnar said
Guy = Gal or whatever Tiffany is… I’m guessing some college punk
Jay Dub said
As an atheist, this totally cracks me up. I love it!
Thanks very much. You’re doing a really, really super job for our side. Religion in the U.S. is declining faster than ever!
Keep up the good work!
[Blasphemy deleted] said
I’m an atheist pretending to be “Jesus,” and I’m also a liberal. Just thought I’d pop in and say hi!
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Andyo said
Tiffany, Your article makes for interesting reading although it does beg the question why did this God you believe in put people on earth? And why did he award us free will? Judging by your views that he slaughters all those defy would imply that we are merely on earth to worship him and that earth is an elaborate ego trip for this God. Personally I don’t believe this is the true Christian message and if I did I would happily defy that God as he is clearly an egotistical megalomaniac.
That said my main question was why do you highlight the exceptions to Gods punishments with such disgust in your reply to Emily?
you wrote:
“(except for that drunk exhibitionist, Noah and his family) with the Great Flood. I’m not the one who burned to death everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah (with the exception of incestuous Lot and his soon-to-be pillar of salt wife).”
your tone implies that you disagree with God sparing Noah and Lot? Are you saying God made a mistake or deliberately did something bad? Are you saying that you disagree with God’s ways? Do you therefore believe that you know better than God?
Howie said
Wow. Anyone seen the movie “Silent Hill”?
Tiffany Wellsley said
Howie,
True Christians don’t watch secular (i.e., Satanic) movies. The last film I saw was “The Passion of the Christ.”
Andyo,
Of course, I don’t disagree with God. That would be blasphemy. But let’s face facts: He has been known to make some rather bizarre decisions. Of all the people of the world, He picked a drunk exhibitionist to build the ark and save his family. No sooner had the waters of the Great Flood receded then Noah got rip-roaring drunk and passed out naked in his tent. He then had the audacity to get angry with the child who saw him in that condition, actually cursing Ham’s descendants to become colored and to serve mankind forever. Today, not only do they refuse to serve but they’ve become uppity beyond belief. We might have avoided ever having to encounter a Negro, had God chosen someone in sobriety to build the ark.
Lot, whom the New Testament describes as a “righteous” man gave refuge to another man and, when the homos of the city demanded that Lot release the man to them, Lot offerered his two daughters for rape instead. Lot viewed rape of his own little girls as less undesirable than homosexuality. Yet, shortly afterward, Lot got drunk and had sex with his daughters, impregnating them both. What a role model!
Moses was the man selected to lead his people out of the desert. He took 40 years to do so. One would have thought that a Jew could have sniffed out at leat one money changer in less time. King Solomon is praised in the Bible despite having hundreds of wives and many more concubines. And King David, one of God’s favorite mortals, had sex with more women than Wilt Chamberlain, yet considered his romantic tryst with Jonathan to be his most satisfying.
The bottom line is that God is, of course, omnipotent, but His judgment of character seems a little questionable to me. I have no doubt, though, that He had some cosmic purpose for selecting these seemingly wretched individuals and I, as a mere mortal, and worse yet, a member of the inferior gender, simply do not know that purpose.
Tiffany
aidsanddie said
hope you get aids and die
Jay Dub said
Actually, Tiffany, “bizarre decisions” is playing it nice. If you get through the Bible and don’t think God’s a real prick, you’ve been skipping too many parts. Plus, I think he has a real inferiority complex.
Mr.J said
Lot’s daughters got him drunk and slept with him. That’s what I read. Spin, Spin, Spin…..what a tangled web.
I guess you don’t like the bible at all or only the parts that agree with the morals you follow.
I have read the bible, I’m not sure how to follow it to the tee since our current laws protect every human temptation and sacrifice all of traditional values for money, sex and happiness.
but maybe I’m just wrong about everything……
Steven said
Get out of the Dark Ages. There is no such thing as God, you deluded fool.
Proud Atheist said
Aren’t Catholics christian too. WOW aren’t you full of christian love, tolerance and compassion.
none of your [obscenity deleted] business said said
Tiff, go [obscenity deleted] on your Jesus. You put your mean-spirited [obscenity deleted] out there and then censor everyone who disagrees. You are a right-wing [obscenity deleted], for sure.
Shove your AK-47 up your [obscenity deleted] and fire it too while you’re at it. The world doesn’t need your vicious [obscenity deleted].
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PeaceMonger said
Hate is a natural byproduct when reading things like this.
But I don’t hate you. I feel sorry for you.
You are clearly not a happy person. You are full of wrathful, cruel and naive statements indicating a very deprived soul.
“Happiness cannot be traveled to, owned, earned, worn or consumed. Happiness is the spiritual experience of living every minute with love, grace and gratitude.”
I cannot speak of gratitude, but based on this post you’re absolutely lacking love and grace. And that’s very sad.
Every time you hate others you love yourself less.
If that’s the choice you make in this life, I’m afraid God will have no use for you.
Other than a doorstop maybe.
James Smith said
“I’m not the one who flooded the planet, killing every man, woman, child, infant and unborn baby (except for that drunk exhibitionist, Noah and his family) with the Great Flood.”
…you do know that didn’t happen, right?
James Smith said
“hope you get aids and die”
he won’t get aids, that’s only the homos. remember guys, a storm is coming. it’s not the wrath of zeus, or the angry god apollo, it’s our omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent lord punishing us for not stoning everyone who eats shellfish (which is an ‘abomination’, according to leviticus).
Herman said
Hi Tiffany
Just thought I’d remind you of the questions I asked you (you can look ‘em up; post # 168).
Looking through your latter posts where you not only question His infallibility but also His ability to judge an individual’s character would seem to confirm your lack of faith and, therefore, the belief that He can make mistakes. It is also apparent from your reply to Andyo that you have difficulty in understanding the continuity of narrative within the Bible. This would explain your confusion between the ‘fire and brimstone’ Old Testament and the ‘words of love and forgiveness’ from Jesus (who you tell us you love and worship) in the New Testament.
I can understand the internal conflict, suffering and gratuitous lack of faith this lack of understanding has given you. Perhaps it’s time you concentrated on the New Testament and followed the words of whom you purport to love so very much.
Either way I would find a reply interesting and polite.
Dave
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Tiffany Wellsley said
Paul/Herman,
I posted this yesterday, but apparently you have the attention span of a gnat. This is from the New Testament:
Jesus told us we are to live our lives in fear of God for God has the power not only to kill us, but to torture us forever in Hell (Luke 12:5). Jesus told the disciples to bring before Him any man who didn’t believe in Him, and to violently slaughter the non-believer while Jesus watched (Luke 19:27). Jesus killed one man by having his body eaten by a swarm of worms because the man failed to give Jesus His due (Acts 12:23). Jesus struck a Jew blind for thwarting His teachings (Acts 13:8-11). He struck a man dumb for failing to listen well (Luke 1:20). He took the lives of a husband and wife by scaring them to death for not forking over all the money they made on a real estate transaction (Acts 5:1-10). During one particularly temperamental time when Jesus was hungry, He even killed a fig tree for failing to bear figs, even though Jesus knew figs weren’t in season (Mark 11:12-14).
According to the New Testament – inspired by Jesus, Himself — come Judgment Day, God will gather the non-believers and hurl them into a furnace of fire where there will be uncontrollable wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42, 50). Entire cities of people who don’t believe will suffer a fate worse than that of Sodom and Gomorra (Mark 6:11). Jesus told us that God will take “vengeance on them that know not God” by burning them forever “in flaming fire” (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9).
The brutality and destruction will not be entirely blase, though. There will be great sparks of creativity. Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads, women’s hair, lion’s teeth and scorpion’s tails that will sting and inflict savage pain on sinners for five months (Revelation 9:7-10). As a result of the fires, plagues and beasts He inspires, the world will be covered in unburied dead bodies, rotting everywhere. The smoke of the burning, rotting bodies will ascend and plague the Earth forever (Revelation 14:10-11). And the smell will attract scavenger birds who will feast upon “the supper of the great God” (Revelation 19:17-18).
God will send an earthquake to kill 7,000 people (Revelation 11:13). And to add just a bit more drama, He will exercise his wrath by inflicting bodily sores, turning the seas and rivers to blood, scorching everyone with fire, causing people to consume their own tongues in pain, and causing horrendous storms that will strike dead the now speechless (though sated) sinners (Revelation 16:1-21).
Tiffany
Anon said
PLEASE!
Craig said
Yes, Tiff, but what about the Lycra socks? (Leviticus (19:19)) I bet they sting as bad as poly-cotton in the lake of fire.
And the whole stone-casting thing? Failed to answer that, chuck.
Jesus very very clearly said “don’t judge”. In fact, it’s one of his best-known speeches.
OOh, I suddenly have an urge to mention motes in thine own eye. I wonder why?
Jack said
You seem to think God only cares about America. What makes you think this?
DeWayne said
Ms. Tiffany,
Since you know so much about this? Are ma pigs safe? I would hate it if something happened to them. I loves my pigs. A lot. We sometimes pray together after our baths.
DeWayne
RICHARD FREDA said
Tiffany-You have been brain washed. Get help now before you burn in hell( if there is one) for the hate you have for your fellow man. If there is a God he looks at you with disgust. Quoting the bible dosent make you religous. What will do it is good works and a good heart. Jesus would kick you in your you know what.
bardruck said
But the mexicans are complete catholics, is Latin America the most catholic region in the world. How could punish the most fidels?
GodLovesTheUSA said
It’s okay, God only kills Mexicans.
We whites in our great Country of United States of America, will be safe from this plague of “the unpure”. Too long have we allowed Niggers and Spics to walk among us. We are the best country in the world. We have the best health care of ANY country. We have the best economy of ANY country. We have the HIGHEST standard of living. CNot only that, our country isn’t a pollution factory like that slum we call Mexico City. Those stupid Mexicans don’t even ride cars, they are stuck riding their donkeys that top speeds of 5MPH, should God let this scum to be allowed to live? Can these spics even do complex architecture, no, they stand by copying everything we great Americans do. I can’t believe we do not shoot these brown savages every time they attempt to cross the border. We are a pure race living in a country that should be pure. Was Jesus colored? No. He was a white man. So why should allow these devil created scum on earth? God embraces the USA as the greatest country he created. Europeans are scum, they embrace homosexuality and casual sex. We, as the USA, stand as the one and only Chosen Country of God.
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Tiffany Wellsley said
Craig,
Are you borderline retarded? I posted this just two days ago. I really don’t like to post duplicative material, but apparently morons like you have the short-term memory of a fruit fly.
Jesus never said we’re not supposed to judge. In fact, He instructed us to judge. He simply said we should not judge by any standard other than the one by which we ourselves would accept being judged. But He expressly told us to judge. See, e.g., John 7:24 (”Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”); 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (”Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”); Matthew 7:6 (”Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine”) (How would we know who the pigs are unless we judge people like you?).
The verse to which you’re alluding (but have probably never even read) comes from the first few verses of Matthew, chapter 7. In those verses, we are told that we are not to judge UNLESS we judge by the same standard by which we would expect to be judged ourselves. I am happy to be judged by any standard I have used on this board. Feel free to judge me as to whether I’m a smelly, lazy, hairy, dog-eating, thieving Mexican. I’m certain I’ll be cleared.
Tiffany
Sensible rationalist said
You retarded [obscenity deleted] don’t deserve opposable thumbs. When are people going to realise there is no mystical man in the sky. Please read the origin of species – it’s for your own good,
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Viv said
Tiffany
While I do not disagree with your views on God, as he cannot be proven or disproven I will not touch that subject.
I do think you have your idea of Mexico wrong. While yes, I am 100% sure there are a lot of lazy Mexicans, I am 100% sure there are many lazy people from other countries also. Mexico is an upper-middle income country, so they can’t be 100% lazy. While I can’t say being #11 on income level is too much to be proud of, you have to consider there are a lot of countries up there, so at one point being 11 is a feat.
Gorgonzola said
You know archeology says there was no King Solomon or David or whoever, right?
Shar said
Hi Tiffany,
I am preparing something for you and it will be a week before I have time to post it all as I’m leaving out of town, but in the mean time could you list all the scriptures of the bible which instruct us to hate anyone because of color, nationality or religion. Could you do better and just list the scriptures which instruct us to hate people for any reason. I already know the ones that inform us to hate sin as god hates it so they won’t be necessary. I would like to give you a few words for thought and that is first “I love you” though I am broken hearted over all the things I’ve read here. It is very sad. God does have anger and his wrath is great, but there is sooooo much more to him. For every scripture you offer about hate, I can give you 3 or more about love, lovingkindness, goodness, mercy, and god’s infinite grace. The greatest of these is LOVE! You’ve left out 3/4 of the bible sweetheart. Don’t take away from God’s word or add to it. Well that’s it for now, but I’ll be talking to you in a week or so. Take care and God bless you and keep you safe as well as our loved ones, enemies and neighbors.
“Living by his Grace”
Shar
p.s. What made Jesus reach down and take the hand of Mary Magdelene? Remember they brought her out to stone her, jesus said he without sin cast the first stone, no one did. Jesus ask her has anyone condemned her and she said no. Jesus said neither do I condemn thee, GO AND SIN NO MORE!
Why did Jesus do that? Why didn’t he watch her be stoned to death? She was a prostitute, a whore you might say? I look forward to all your answers.
amber said
you call your self a christian yet your calling homosexuals “homos” and being racist
your no better than any of the groups your talking down
you have no right to judge anything or anyone
your a very ignorant racist fake christian
God will punish you for your judgment and racism
your not God so stop pretending like you know everything
you make me sick when you call yourself a “christian” yet you stereotype
your the reason people dont believe in God
do yourself a favor and read the bible
God is the Judge not you
Somebody not crazy said
To: GodLovesTheUSA
,
WTH was that, I hope sarcasm.
Anon said
4CHAN!4CHAN!4CHAN!4CHAN!4CHAN!4CHAN!4CHAN!4CHAN!
I WAANA [obscenity deleted]!
Anon said
RACIST SITE RACIST SITE!
Anon said
amber said
April 29, 2009 at 12:11 am
you call your self a christian yet your calling homosexuals “homos” and being racist
your no better than any of the groups your talking down
you have no right to judge anything or anyone
your a very ignorant racist fake christian
God will punish you for your judgment and racism
your not God so stop pretending like you know everything
you make me sick when you call yourself a “christian” yet you stereotype
your the reason people dont believe in God
do yourself a favor and read the bible
God is the Judge not you
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Ok, ok, I'll get a new name said
Tiffany!
i have been enlightened today.
this site is AMAZING.
at first i thought it was a hoax. a joke. a group of people acting crazy to bring ignorance to the surface.
but then i realized that tiffany is a real person and she ACTUALLY believes what she is saying. and now I understand why you don’t believe in evolution, Tiff! you haven’t quite made it there yet. the rest of us have peacefully evolved beyond you and those that only have the capacity to think like you. the good news is that maybe 6 or 7 generations down the line, your spawn might actually develop brains and hearts and courage (oh, my)! although i think i speak for most god-loving people when i say i hope you are barren and cannot pass your genes along to any innocent child. i wouldn’t wish that upon my worst enemy!
you can have your wrathful god and blame every act of nature on him and everyone else’s sins. good luck proving that your theory is correct though.
may i draw a similarity between you and adolf hitler (whom you no doubt hold in the highest esteem)… killed 6 million jewish people because he believed that he was superior in every way. ended in a ditch covered in gasoline and lit on fire. very poetic. you seem to be on a similar path since you feel so above everyone else. i noticed you got angry at someone for saying that poor people who lived in trailers were trash. do you live in a trailer? are you poor? it must hurt to have someone sit there and say they are better than you. it must be comforting to have a big strong angry god that will smite them for you, huh? i have news for you, babe…they are better than you. not because you live in a trailer and have clearly had a failed experience in the public school system, but they are better than you because they aren’t hateful or judgmental or angry. they are better than you because they get to make the same choices every day about how they treat and interact with other human beings and they make the right choice and you make the wrong ones. if you have a pastor or parent or someone in your life that tells you that you can treat people badly because they are of a different gender, creed, religion, etc then the devil has taken you under his wing. but you seem comfortable there. luckily most of these posts are from people who vehemently disagree with you, are better than you in every way, and will be lovelier, happier people because of it.
what if you were a mexican, a lesbian, handicapped (other than mentally…since we know you already are), or catholic? how would you feel if someone said the things you are saying? and i might remind you that even satan himself twisted scripture for his own devices.
food for thought (thought: you might have to look that one up in the dictionary)
kisses!
tara
Bodhisatva said
That’s hilarious! I can’t wait to read some of your previous posts.
BrotherInChrist said
When pigs fly, swine flew. Surely the end times are soon upon us! Glory! The Mayan calendar ends in 2012 and the timing might be about right. How appropriate to pick not only a Mary Worshipping country, but one that has a significant population who practice pre-Christian religious practices.
These Catholics and their idols, their pope is a man that wears women’s dresses, in fabulous fabrics, but badly in need of a gay designer. He just happens to be the anti-Christ. You’ll have an eternity of hail Marys to save you while you swim the Lake of Fire.
This topic has generated a lot of fresh non True Christians to post on this board. Is there no mass that you need to attend, candles to light or incense to burn? Shoo! This is a board for True Christian Republicans and if you are not Baptist and a registered voter in the U.S., you have no businss here. Please go away with your assorted demonic comments.
Andyo said
Hi Tiffany
Thanks for your reply to my questions. I find it interesting that on the one hand you admit that you do not know why God let these people (Noah, Lot, King David…etc) live and even valued some of them above others despite their actions and on the other hand you feel you know enough about God’s will to make sweeping and offensive statements about people, races and events as if you have some divine insight into God’s will.
So my next question would be, do you a have divine insight or are you basing all your arguments and statements on an assumption you as a mere mortal woman have made about God and his will that given his past actions (which you admit to not completely understanding) could be mistaken?
Thanks for you time.
Andyo
GodLovesTheUSA said
Why would it be sarcasm? I ask you this, are you of the white race? If you are consider yourself chosen by God himself. He made us in his likeness. The United States of America is the best country, we are the greatest country he created. We can’t have these spics and niggers coming in and out of here freely and now we have a nigger in the white house. We have let this go on too far. These coloreds talk as if they had anything to do in the creation of this great country, no they did not. We as the white men built this country on God’s soil. When you look at a white person, do you not see perfection? Because I know it is perfection. For too long we have allowed these brown savages to come and ruin our country. When I leave my house I see a wetback on every street corner, the disgust I feel, I cannot explain. These wetbacks have ruined our economy and have ruined our country. You go to any mexican spic city and what to do you see? Dirt roads and donkeys, these brown savages are not even civilized and fuck like rabbits. Why should I give my money to a worthless spic. If we could have kept President George W. Bush in office we wouldn’t have so many spics in this great country. We need to shoot these savages when we see them in the street and keep out Great Country, The United States of America a white nation.
Panic Monger said
Useful resource for checking the progress of swine flu.
GodLovesTheUSA said
You cannot deny God or deny his word ( The Bible) or deny what he does. God is bringing down this disease down upon the worthless spics. Only the beaners have died from this disease, every night I would get on my knees and give myself to The Lord, asking for him to clean out our country, His country and make it white again. My prayers have been answered in the form of the killing of these spics. If it would be 100% illegal for spics to be in our great Country contamination would have never happened.The United States of America is the best country and you cannot deny me that as you cannot deny Our Great Lord is taking out his wrath on these wetbacks, he is doing what we do not do ourselves. The United States of America has the best economy, the best educational system, the best health care and the highest standard of living, why would we not be God’s chosen Country. All of the european countries are filled with homosexuals and loose women who embrace casual sex. You go to any south american country and it’s filled with beaners, dirt roads, donkeys, foul smells, they don’t even have running water. You can’t drink the polluted water in that slum waste we call mexico. The great United States of America is the central country of the world, without us the rest of the world would be nothing.
Benign.Soul said
I am truly sadden to see such acts of God on humans. But I am not one to argue with the Lord in heaven, nor his actions. For it is said. Your God is a vengeful God. I merely try to come to terms with them and pray for the deceased and their souls. Lest they may have a chance at redemption. For it is also know that our Lord is a merciful one.
Lets. Brothers and Sisters. Let us pray.
Benign.Soul said
I am truly sadden to see such acts of God on humans. But I am not one to argue with the Lord in heaven, nor his actions. For it is said. Your God is a vengeful God. I merely try to come to terms with them and pray for the deceased and their souls. Lest they may have a chance at redemption. For it is also know that our Lord is a merciful one.
Lets. Brothers and Sisters. Let us pray.
Yours Truly,
Benign.Soul
Chairleg said
To quote post #150
‘All will bow before Atheia!!’
Actually, if you go back a few topics (before Christmas), you will find that the original command is ‘ALL WILL BOW BEFORE IKEA!’ just before you come inside the store and take advantage of our low, low prices on our wonderful furnishings.
A big hello to BrotherInChrist. Nice to see there is still a male presence on the site to balance the ravings of Republican Christian women (who really ought to be back in the kitchen).
Yours in the name of the gate legged table,
Chairleg.
the hunter said
I knew it! antichrist should be a “conservative christian”!
God works in a funny way…
Rectum.....guinea-pig.......egg-whisk - BINGO, it's lovin time Momma ! said
“The policy will be vigilantly enforced against English nancy boys”
English ! ENGLISH!!!! Are you calling me English ? That’s fighting talk that is…………come on……..outside to the carpark and we’ll sort this out properly……somebody better call an ambulance for him now !
I’m Welsh and don’t you forget it !
That means I both understand and play rugby properly, unlike those Saes gimps whose main aim in life is to get something meaty shoved up their dung-funnels! They’re almost as bad as those poo-pipe-pirates who cover themselves in padding and play “American Football”……..girls !
Diolch yn fawr
Sensible rationalist said
Does anyone fancy a [perverted suggestion removed] in church this sunday?
Jae said
This is the most disgusting article I have read in a long time. You are sick. If all those people are truly being punished, then I feel bad for them, when they end up in hell alongside you.
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justin krahn said
have you ever even read the bible, i don’t believe in god or Satan, heaven or hell and you just make me remember why. did you know that in the “bible” shaving your beard is just as an equal sin as being “homo”. also in the ” “bible” is says “if you say you love god but don’t love your brother then you are a liar” and if god was infact real im pretty sure he wouldn’t hate you because you are gay. im almost absolutely sure that your just a red neck who found a computer in the neighborhood pick up and made this horrible site.
larry said
tiffany, you are an idiot
Kira Dahmer said
Let those without sin cast the first stone.
Are you sinless?
June Gordon said
LOL!!!! I hate them dirty Mexicanos!!!! This is prove that PROPHESY is getting FULLFILLED!!!!!
First Jesus starts wiping out them Orientals with bird flu an them Africans with AIDS an now he going after them taco eating Mary Worshippers with swine flu. LOL!!! You got to love it!!!
What is your boy Barry gonna do to save them you stupid libs???? LOL!!!!!
ASIAN BRO said
I am Asian Christian and sad to say read those so-called Christian put judgement on Oriental, African and Idol worshippers except themselves and self praise. Remember God is the only Judge not us.- “Behold I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what He Has Done.” – Revelation 22:12.
Niha said
Tiffany, you’ve made Baby Jesus cry by depicting God as such a cruel one.
Love said
Tiffany,
I have an honest question for you. I have heard claims and beliefs like this before. Today the first death from the Swine Flu in the US was reported. It was a child, a meer toddler. I thought all children were innocent in God’s eyes? Why would he create this flu to first take out the innocent? Isn’t it your belief that this should target sinners and non-believers?
Thank you for listening. I would love to hear your throughts.
- L -
what's your problem? said
i have left three postings on this site that contained neither profanity or hate-language. none of these have been posted. i am left wondering why? did i strike a nerve with my insight? i would like a response from these people! i’ve just read about 40 posts that pointed out tiff’s hypocrisy and similar musings in much more vulgar ways than mine. what’s your problem with what i have to say?
Peter said
Are you an aboslute moron? [MODERATOR'S NOTE: Hey, buddy, at least we ain't moronic enough not to know how to spell absolute!][UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] me. Reading this made me feel sick. You degrade the human race in making it necessary to worship an imaginary man and his imaginary son who should have died when he was asked to. Quit spouting your [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] and learn something. Worshiping some person you have made up will not help you at all, nor can he intervene in our lives whatsoever, so get over it. You’re a [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED]. A misguided, pretentious, foolish [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED], no better than a child with an imaginary friend. The fact that for some people, “God” takes precedence over they lives BAFFLES me no end.
Pau said
Realmente espero que todos los mexicanos que están en Estados Unidos se mueran de influeza, -excepto mis primos y mis amigos claro-, seria divino, sobre todo porque su economía de cagada quedaría hecha mierda. Espero que se den cuenta que dependen de los millones de pendejos mexicanos y latinoamericanos que se van a trabajar en condiciones infraumanas para que ustedes tengan su gran “united states dream”, porque américa sigue siendo de los americanos y no de unos migrantes, desplazados de sus propias comunidades europeas donde nadie los queria, pero en fin, es parte del plan de Dios, por nuestra parte, como plan de “Los Mexicanos”, que somos felices con nuestros virus en el DF y en todo nuestro hermoso territorio, es no comprarles ni un puto lápiz que venga con su nombre, y creo que propagaré tu hermoso y sentido comentario, para que en medida de lo que podamos no les compren nada…. PD. Alabado seal el señor que permite estos maravillosos intercambios culturales. Y de verdad la comida mexicana es maravillosa, cómanla.
Por cierto el prototipo de mexicanos que tienes en tu foto son del centro, y tendrías que haber venido para darte cuenta de que hay tanta variedad de morfologias, pero creo que cnn no te dejará porque estamos virulentos, Saludos
MODERATOR’S NOTE: This website is a place for CHRISTIANS to fellowship IN ENGLISH. The typing of gibberish will NOT be tolerated. If you pull this again, you WILL be banned. Consider yourself warned. If you want to write in Mexican, kindly do it elsewhere. TIA.
Star said
GodlovestheUSA- your posts disgust me frankly. I’m guessing along with Tiffany you imagine yourself descending to heaven alongside Hitler who is probably one of your heros. I think the fact you would rather have George Bush in the white house than Obama says all it needs to say about your lack of intelligence and brain cells. Your racist attitude is poor ignorance and I’m sure many of the people you despise so much are a hell of a lot more intelligent and successful than you, perhaps that’s why you hate them so much?
Ok,Ok,I’ll get a new name- Love your post, pretty much sums it up!I’m also with you on hoping Tiff, GodlovestheUSA and any other bible bashing racist wackjobs on this site cannot reproduce, I pity the innocent spawn that might come from them. If they do reproduce, I hope their children turn out to be gay and therefore throw their entire belief system into doubt.
Star said
Here is a rough translation of what Pau wrote (not great quality, its from an internet translator) just thought people should read it because it makes a good point about mexican workers and the economy and how the USA needs workers in other countries like Mexico for their economy
Really I hope that all the Mexicans that are in the United States die of influeza, -except my cousins and my clear friends-, seriously, above all because its economy of shit would remain fact crap. I expect that they realize that they depend on the millions of Latin-American and
Mexican idiots that are going to work in inhumane conditions so that you have its great “united states dream”, because America continues being of the Americans and not of some migrant, displaced persons of its own European communities where nobody the queria, but in short, is part of the plan of God, by ours splits, like plan of “The Mexicans”, That we are happy with our virus in the DF and in all our beautiful territory, is not to buy them neither a puto pencil that come with their name, and I believe that I will spread your beautiful one and sense comment, so that in measure of what we be able they buy not them nothing…. PD. It praised seal the Mister that permits these marvelous cultural exchanges. And truly the Mexican food is marvelous, eat it. Certainly the prototype of Mexicans that you have in your photo they are of the center, and would have that to have come to realize that there is so much variety of morfologias, but I believe that cnn will not leave you because we are virulent, Greetings
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Those verbal turds don’t make any sense in any language. I will pray for that stupid, crazy foreign fellow.
Jesus is Near! said
Tiffany,
Though I do think that the swine flu is another sign that Our Lord Jesus Christ, is near- you’re hate astounds me. While we have breath in our body, and it doesn’t matter if your a mexican, orange, blue- whatever nationality/colored person-it does not matter what color we are- as long as we still have breath in our body, we still have a chance to accept our Lord Jesus Christ is our savior.
I won’t judge you, because only GOD knows the true heart, but your hate even through your words, is wrong. GOD MADE US ALL, AND GOD is merciful enough to continue to give us chances to accept him, while we still breath.
Re-read what you wrote, and pray on it.
God Bless.
a moron said said
[UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM BRATTY STUPID PERSON REMOVED] the moderator. Why don’t you go [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM BRATTY STUPID PERSON REMOVED] some of Jesus’ [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM BRATTY STUPID PERSON REMOVED] ?
[UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM BRATTY STUPID PERSON REMOVED] , you can’t bar me. I can use multiple proxy servers and multiple internet connections.
You’ll be chasing me forever, [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM BRATTY STUPID PERSON REMOVED] .
Ahahahaha!
anonymous said
ehm… He wrote in spanish
have you been homeschooled maybe?
Patrick Buchanan said
Swines are untouchable by both Jewish and Islamic faith members. Swine Flu is God’s retribution against Christians for their persecution of either Jewish or Islamic faiths per my Katrina logic. Or I could be an idiot along with most of my evengelical fudimentalist followers.
Mazer said
Oh God, (cwudtididthar) I lol’d.
Benjamin Franklin said
Church ministers in the colonies used to believe that when lightning struck the other church in town it was their god’s retribution against the false worshipers. It’s funny how many church leaders lost their faith in their God’s protection after I figured out how electricity worked, invented a lightning rod, patented it and made it available without charge. Most church steeples have a lightning rod on them today.
Joe Mescher said
guy bottomley said
i genuinly thought this was some kind of sick joke, and now i really am concerned that such a large herd of morons exists in a free and (apparently highly educated society). Im completely lost for words at how hateful you people are, to me you people have the same values and morals as suicide bombers, with the only exception being you let your ‘god’ do all the killing. aaaaand lets not forget here that its the same god were talking about here. im 18 and can honestly say im embarissed that a fellow human has written this
jihad said
very good, as mentioned in the original article 9/11 was gods wrath… carried out by muslim extremists, does this not mean via your own prognosis that these attacks were incited by mighty allah himself?
so watch your backs christians, allah has sent this great plague, and you will all be annihilated along with the ‘the Negroes, sodomites, and atheists’
jihad said
Tiffany, i pray for you, because i hope that no-one finds out where you live, i have seen websites subscribed to by known suicide bombers, and they contain less hate than this one. where do you live?
lots of love
Kira Dahmer said
Post 261: “The Mayan calendar ends in 2012 and the timing might be about right.”
A “TrueChristian” who believes in a “pagan” prophecy? [If you’ll read up on this, you’ll notice it’s just a new age, not the end of one. Not that it means anything. Then again, if you actually read anything, you’d be a rational atheist.)
Chairleg: “Atheia” is a Sam and Fuzzy (webcomic) reference.
Megan said
Was it Ghandi who said “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”?
cubanita_thinks_ur_an_a$$ said
lmmfao!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow! i had the funny feeling sum1 would be saying sum dumb shit like this so i googled it and WOW better than i expected…. so let me get this straight…. ur a xtian and u consider Noah a drunkard exhibitionists??? who the hell are u to look down on sum1 that God placed such trust in??? lol ur so dumb its hilarious… ay my tummy hurts from laughing too much!!!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Cubatina (a Mexican trash name if I’ve ever heard one),
You decide whether Noah was a drunk exhibitionist:
“And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: and he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without” (Genesis 9:20-22).
Tiffany
m Andrea said
Hey, Mexicans are cute. Leave ‘em alone. Besides, after we greedily screwed them with NAFTA and made it impossible for the lowest sections of society to earn a living, what else are they gonna do but come over here?
All you’re doing is blaming the victim, you stupid freak. Emphasis on STUPID.
ASIAN BRO said
Jihad so u says Muslim extremist using Name of God the right to kill and abuse women to satisfy desire!! See for yourself Muslim fight against Muslim-is God punishment? Please don’t champion yr Muslim to judge others – the Day of Judgement come to judge regardless whether Chistian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhism or Jewish.
please,whatever said
I love mexicans, chinese,mostly all races except racist and I would like to raise a point of truth that mexicans were not the first case of the swine flu it was a pregnant white women in 1988 Barbara Ann Wieners so is she just as nasty as the mexicans who you claim are nasty and as far african americans and aids we all know white people did that stop blaming us minoritys for your ansestors mess ups.You treat minoritys as if we wanted to be around pasty skin rednecks please get a tan,get a A$$ on layaway,and some lips pruned faced racist.
Richard Wilson said
It just goes to show you can’t be too careful…
GodLovesTheUSA said
Star -> I despise spics and niggers because they are genetically inferior to whites and instead of trying to find a way to make up for their lack of superior genetic genes they have lowered themselves beyond believe. They don’t even make $1 an hour in mexico.They don’t even know simple math in mexico.They don’t even have running water in that cesspool we call a “country”.They have the example set right in front of them, the Great Country of Our White Nation, The United States of America. It disgusts me we have corrupt leaders that allow these scumbags to come over here. What race are there in jails? Niggers, wetbacks and homosexuals.What race was the person that died in the USA, a mexican. How more clear can we make it to you that this is a disease targeting these scumbags we have allowed to live for too long.
June Gordon said
^ AMEN!!!!!!!!!
Mr. J said
The swine flu has hit Baltimore Md. The #1 STD city in America. Tiffany might be right. What if these tragedies are God’s will. Is it a sign from god he will be ridding the world of wickedness for the meek to inherit the earth?
Look at it from both sides not just what you think is right.
Cole said
Holy crap. Tiffany, you are insane. granted, I’m a big scary democratic atheist (which apparently mean’s that I’m not allowed here), but still, you are off the deep end even by normal religious standards. It really is people like you that give christians and other religious people a bad name.
Oh, and just to help you out… We are all anon. Anon is not a single entity. It is the internet.
Micah James said
this is the reason all of us that aren’t Christians who have heard of “the rapture” are looking forward to it. Then all of the racism, blind hate, ignorance, and venom that has resulted from your religion will finally leave earth in peace.
oh, by the way, I’m a white male, heterosexual, and I have two jobs and attend college.
I want to mention that I was raised in a Christian home by loving parents who taught me to “love my neighbor” and that God is far beyond the understanding of man, so I wonder why we humans would think that we are so connected and holy enough to know God’s will? Let alone understand it?
If Christians are right, and God is going to come down and take them all up to heaven four years before Armageddon, I’ll be happy to be rid of them and enjoy my four years of tribulation without right wing zealots making blind assertions from a god they apparently aren’t too familiar with, hypocritically sanctioning racism and evil under a campaign of false righteousness.
if you people are really trying to win over “lost souls” you’re just shooting yourselves in the foot. You demean other people while sitting on a high horse that holds no merit. You claim to be Christians, yet nothing I’ve heard sounds like your Christ. If you don’t like Mexicans then don’t go to mexico, but don’t claim that this Holy and Righteous God would be so petty as to be racist. According to your beliefs He made their race just as he made all others, all descendants of your Noah figure.
Go read your bible again, you might want to figure out if you understand your own religion.
so Tiff, if you’re in heaven, don’t wait up for me. I don’t want to live with a bunch of hypocrites. I’ve had enough of that here on earth.
GayHindu said
I love you, in a gay way.
burn in hell tiff said
Tiff, u have got to be in acolt. Or from a podunk town. You are the worst kind of christian. You think no matter what u do in life, as long as YOU consider yourself a christian you will go to heaven. O u poor thing. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL
Star said
GodlovestheUSA- assuming yo are white, I think you’re living proof white people are not superior to other races, every race has intelligent people and every race has imbeciles like you. Where is your evidence? You have none because your point of view is ridiculous. Maybe pick up a history book once in a while, mexicans are descended from the Aztecs and the Mayans who have a very interesting history and brought a lot of culture, art and architecture into the world. What have you ever done for the world that puts you in a position to criticize an entire race?
And they do have running water, they are suffering a shortage at the moment.
You are confusing “great” with “rich” just because your country has the wealth doesn’t mean it’s great. America is not the greatest country as has been beautifully demonstrated on this page by the number of arrogant, racist imbeciles. Besides which while it remains a heavily Christian country there’s not a lot of chance of science and reason really reaching it so I don’t see the intelligence levels rising anytime soon. I apologize to any intelligent Americans posting on this site, but you have to admit the people on here aren’t a great example.
blueollie said
Moderator:
“Tiff, u have got to be in acolt. Or from a podunk town. You are the worst kind of christian. You think no matter what u do in life, as long as YOU consider yourself a christian you will go to heaven. O u poor thing. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL”
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Why are you allowing drunkards (other than Sister June) to post on this board?
Halil Kharazama said
I’d like to respond to anyone that says Jesus was against violence, Jesus only preachd that we do not take violent action or revenge against the inimicus (our private enemy) it mentions nothing about taking revenge or violent action against the hostis (the public enemy) so in this way God could very well have sent the swine flu against the enemies he mentions in the bible, I’m not saying he did but theologically speaking i is a strong case.
Karina said
You are so dumb. REALLY? why in the world would you even think about saying that?
idiot.
colleen said
These people just don’t get you Tiffany, and you keep putting yourself down too. YOU ARE a perfect Christian for a God who is angry and jealous. He can’t wait to send all of the people who dare to love someone who is different from them (or maybe even the same) to that giant pit of sulphur and fire forever.
You see, the Bible tells us to become like little children. I can see you have done exactly that, am guessing that your soul is in the right range of a very young child (I can also tell by your mispelled words, syntax challenges, and dangling modifiers). But learning grammar is not that important. is it? Neither is science or math, or any of those other hard subjects, they just give you us headaches. It is so much easier to just and let God take care of it all.
And he always does have a way of making people suffer when they deserve it most. Just look around the world, well, I don’t have to tell you, you have eves to see.
Isn’t it nice to know that God only loves one type of person, US!
Zenelvisx said
Tiffany Wellsley said
“Mother Theresa, Ganhdi and every non-Christian charity worker will fry for eternity because they were never born again.”
If great souls like Mother Theresa and Ghandi will be my company in Hell, and idiots like you will be in Heaven, I think I’ll happily choose Hell.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Colleen,
I just love it when the illiterate accuse me of spelling and syntax errors. LOL! Let’s look at your borderline retarded message. Hmm, where should I start? “Get you Tiffany” – Aside from that fact that “Tiffany” should be set off from the other terms with a comma, “get you” is an awkward and inappropriate phrase. The two clauses of your first sentence are not parallel and hence should not have appeared within the same sentence. The reference to “God” with a capital “G” should be preceded with the determiner “the” rather than “a.” The use of “someone” to refer to the lovers of multiple people is improper (unless you’re referring to Patient Zero). “Them” has no clear antecedent. The term “same” has no referent.
In the next paragraph, “am guessing” is completely inappropriate without a subject or at least a conjunction preceding the phrase. “Right range” is a non-sensical expression. Amazingly, you misspelled the word “misspelled” (leaving off an “s”). LOL! The clause that appears in the parenthetical is a sentence fragment. The period after “important” should be a comma. The phrase that begins, “Neither is math or science…” is a sentence fragment. The comma after “subjects” is improper. It should either be a semi-colon or it should be followed by a conjunction. What the heck does “give you us” mean? The term “it” in the final sentence has no antecedent, and the phrase “just and let” is wholly without meaning (at least in the English language).
In the next paragraph, the first sentence is a fragment. The commas after the term “world” and the first “you” must be semi-colons or be followed by conjunctions. And dear, we see with our “eyes,” not “eves.”
Your last statement is a question and therefore must be followed by a question mark with — though preferably without — the exclamation point. The term “us” at the end must be preceded by something other than a comma (such as a hyphen or the term “namely” after the comma).
Your brief post would earn a failing grade in any third grade grammar class. But you just go on attacking others’ writing skills, if doing so makes you feel better about your own inadequacies. But seriously, when accusing someone of misspelling words, do try to spell “misspelled” correctly.
LOL! Colleen, I haven’t laughed this hard in ages. Please keep posting.
Tiffany
RRDavey said
Tiffany,
I am inspired, but at the same time fearful. You have certainly pushed the plunger on both sides of this town’s sewer system (atheists to the left and false Christians to the right) and look at all of the nasty slop that has floated to the surface. Good God woman, it is time to dig in our heels, Praise Jesus and save some souls for Christ! I hope you have a nice pair of 9” spikes. The Devil is surly among us.
Although I noticed Brother In Christ helping you, at least that Pharisee Bobby G had the courtesy to remain vapid. Nikita, although taking another cheap shot at you, found herself fixated on a mirror checking for short hairs between the gaps of her teeth.
And for the slime that surfaced on this board, just know that We True Christians will be laughing at you from Heaven as you bob on the bulbous blunt end of the Devil’s Rigatoni for all Eternity.
I can see the Light, for it is surly coming!
Rapture-Ready Davey
PS – June, my tithing to you is in the mail. For your sake, please be careful of that Mexican pole juice, no matter how you take it in.
xiomarie said
im sorry but why do you have to say aka mexican aka catholics…it has nothing to do with that if you are a good christian or even a good person you wouldnt be saying those things becuase it offends people not only me but everyone who dosent agree with you jesus love us all no mater what happens…those acciedents happen not becuase of hate is becuase its not him hes not punishing noone he would never do that either what religion or what we belive in
whatboy said
I’m Mexican, and frankly I do not feel offended by bigotry comments like yours… ’cause dumb people always hurt them self… if you were a little bit more inteligent you’ll realize that god does not exist, it was a tale made up by somebody to oppress and enslave their body and mind… looks like your still a tiny man… bye… live well tiny man…
June Gordon said
“I’m Mexican”
Was sadder words ever type?????
I’m crying for you and feel so durn sorry for you!!!!!!
But that done mean I gonna pick you up in the parking lot at the Home Depot and let you plant stuff in my yard for a sandwiche and a beer darling!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!
Onjay said
I just discovered this very interesting forum. You all need to please understand something about Tiffany. She seems to understand the bible perfectly well, and she’s not afraid to explicate it with good-old-fashioned, uncompromising fury. [Partially unChristian phrase deleted] understood this with exceptional clarity. All the modern, so-called “reformed” and liberalized brands of “Christianity” are just watered-down versions of the same old superstitions handed down for millenia. Either you take the Lord at His Word, and accept the fact that He has and He will punish the heathen with glorious vengeance, or you might as well just give it up. Jesus Himself said he would spew the luke-warm “believers” out of his mouth.There’s always collateral damage in Holy Wars, just like there has been in W’s Holy War against Islam.
Star said
June, I assume you’re joking and being satirical? Either that or you’re actually just an imbicile who genuinely can’t spell out a a coherent sentence.
“was sadder words ever type??????” I don’t even know where to start with that sentence, there are so many mistakes in it, if you’re crying about anything it should be your lack of knowledge of spelling and grammar.
GodlovestheUSA- If you needed more proof on the whole Mexicans vs Americans debate, compare Whatboy and June’s posts.
Enlightened said
Sorry, but what happened to the Christian morals of compassion and pity towards the sick and needy? This whole hate thing has developed to a stage where it’s completely out of hand- sometimes I think it would be easier asking people like Tiffany who they DON’T wish God’s wrath upon.
At times like this, I am so proud to be an athiest. Go ahead, censor me. Tell me I’m wrong and disgusting and will burn in hell. But when’s the last time you were the Good Samaritan towards another human being? I might be godless or deluded, but at least I don’t spread racist hate and intolerence.
By the way, if you do censor anything here, it only proves your inability to handle any views other than your own. Which is just a wee bit pathetic really.
erniepaul izereckt said
Nearly every1 of U [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM TRASH-MOUTH IDIOT REMOVED] is a stupid [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM TRASH-MOUTH IDIOT REMOVED] cuz there never was nor will there ever be a [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM TRASH-MOUTH IDIOT REMOVED] Master-O-The-[UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM TRASH-MOUTH IDIOT REMOVED]-Sky. Also,all church-goers are known to have tiny [UNCHRISTIAN WORD FROM TRASH-MOUTH IDIOT REMOVED]
**GODS CHILD ** said
Looks like narrow is the way and few find it. GO TIFFANY. at least someone know God and realizes He don’t take no mess. The one that wished you get the swine flu will recieve it. NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST YOU SHALL PROSPER. SO sorry you have been so persicuted, but wait, the word of God said that would Happen too!!!! SO PRAISE HIM.
JESUS IS WORTHY OF ALL PRAISE. EVEN THE ROCKS WILL PRAISE HIM. PRESS on girl!!! YOU KNOW NOT TO LET NONE OF THIS IN, AND DEFINATLY NO JEHOVAHS WITNESS WATCHTOWER CULT MESS. I MYSELF HAVE SEEN THE BULL IN THAT CULT!!!! JESUS WILL RETURN SOON, IN THE CLOUDS. READ UP ON THAT REVALATIONS.
johnny said
this is weird!!, Iwas going to laugh but then… nah!!! im just going to laugh anyways…
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
pepper said
Well, being somewhat agnostic and liberal minded I suppose my doom is imminent…which is really quite a pity considering I am only 16.
It’s also a pity that I had the misfortune of stumbling onto this page, just as I was beginning to crawl out of the deep, dark pit of severe depression and into the blinding light of a world that just might be ok. And this is not me playing the sympathy card, it’s actually the truth…which is also a pity.
But I’m not going to curse you or swear, I just want you to know that reading this page made me feel quite sad and, to be honest, a little bit ashamed of humanity.
But I really hope that the rest of your life is ok, and that you wake up every morning and feel real, and that you realise that everything and everyone around you is brilliant and beautiful and a miracle.
Yours sincerly,
A sad Scottish girl
P.S. Oh, and I may only be 16, but even I know that Nietzschean values and Christianity aren’t meant to mix….
Ballocks McArty said
I actually bothered to type this acronym once in my lifetime:
STFU
JustOneResponseAmongMany said
Tiff-
Re: “your ancestors”… Go far enough back and your (and mine and everyone else’s) heritage is African. Nothing to do with evolution, fossils or anything like that, my dear, just simple history. There were people there (Adam and Eve, if you insist) before anyplace else. Also, your Jesus was born in the middle-east, to middle-eastern parents. Nothing in all the writings about Jesus indicate he looked any different from those people who surrounded him on his travels through the region. No mention of a lone white man among the peoples of the region. So drop the racism. It’s unbecoming.
Jesus healed the sick, was concerned for the most reviled and disenfranchised members of his society, turned the other cheek to those who would abuse him and – finally- sacrificed his own life for his beliefs. Even when he returned, it wasn’t to condemn or avenge, but simply to spread his message. He asked us to look inside ourselves (“Let he is without sin…”), rather than judge others. Only his father can do that.
So your behaviour and that of everyone who participates in this forum is inherently and definitively un-Christian. If that matters to you at all, if the possibility that you might be displeasing god gives you even the smallest concern, stop writing stuff like this and spend what little time you have on this earth doing something- anything- more prayerful. And do it privately. You don’t need the validation or criticism of others, so obviously craved by those frequenting this forum.
Danny Mulvihill said
Dear tiffanywellsley,
I must respectfully disagree with all of your claims. As I understand it they are:
*That Mexicans eat dogs.
*that Mexico is a “worthless wasteland of lazy idlers anyway.”
*that Mexicans are Catholics who are cultists who are idol worshipers.
*swine flu is caused by god
“Consumption of dog meat is taboo in Mexico.”"n May 2008 a man named Rubén Cuellar of Veracruz-Boca del Rio was accused of engaging in the slaughter of dogs and selling the meat to local taco restaurants. He was detained by police pending investigation.[63]“(Wikipedia.com).
Lazyness occurs in Mexico at a lesser rate than in the USA–If you correlate unemployment with laziness, that is. Look at these statistics:
“4.1%” is the unemployment rate in Mexico (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/mx.html).
“9%” is the unemployment rate in the US (http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&q=us+unemployment+rate).
If Catholics are cultists, then every christian sect is a cult. The formal definition of a Cult is
“followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices” according to wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn. Furthermore, not all Mexicans are catholic. The rate is “76.5%” (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/mx.html). If a god is attacking Mexico for its Catholicism, then wouldn’t it make sense for god to attack a more catholic-dense country like the Vatican, Honduras, or Italy? All of which have catholic concentrations of over 90% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_by_country)
Finally, the swine flu is not caused by the wrath of a god. Swine flue is caused by a virus which mutated to gain the ability to jump from pig to person and in turn between humans. This virus is so dangerous to everyone on earth EQUALLY because humans have never encountered this disease and consequently have no natural immunity to it.
Note: all web addresses were accessed 5/1/2009
WOW said
I feel so sorry for you…let he without sin cast the 1st stone right? Who are you to judge God’s people? Stay in your place and stop bringing shame to our Creator’s name! Yes, God disciplines his children, like any good father would, and you’re in need of a beat down for posting this trash!
And stop using Grace as a “Get out of Jail Free” card. Paul tells us Faith without works is DEAD!!! You must have skipped that verse during Bible study. Even demons believe in Jesus and shudder(and you certainly prove that verse).
I REBUKE YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS!! AMEN
WOW said
“It was only a matter of time before Jesus became fed up and released the Trinity’s holy wrath on those dog-eaters.”
Since you’re so good at finding scriptures…find a verse that mentions the “Trinity” and I do mean that exact word. God the Father,Jesus, and God’s Holy Spirit ARE NOT THE SAME. Jesus didn’t pray to himself he prayed to God the father. When he said me and the father are one, he meant of like mind NOT the same entity. Keep your mouth shut when it comes to spiritual things before God shuts it for you…YOU’VE BEEN WARNED!
blueollie said
“if you were a little bit more inteligent”
Hey Mexican: if you are going to talk about someone else’s intelligence, learn how to spell “intelligent”.
Remember this site is for Conservative Republican Christians ONLY so unless you are in the mold of Alberto Gonzales, go away.
anaelena said
Well im Mexican, proudly Mexican,
if you really love God and belive and what they
do, you are committing a sin, lying about
the people of my country and denigrating people
the love of god are for averyone, been american,japanes, mexican…
i feel sorry for you, i think you need a lot of love
if you nedd say thay things to feel good.
I hope God are very shame of you, and punish you.
re-ca-bron said
tiffanywellsley, ojala te pudras en tu mierda pinche vieja ojete.
Ve a hacer gargaras con la regla de tu chingada madre, puta de mierda.
Enoch said
Thats enough my Tiffany… Wetbacks? Swine Mexicans? Please put in order your ideas and later try to write something that meets the real statements of a good christian being… But I think you are sin free right? Thats why you are throwing the first stone…
Hahaha as some said here see you in YOUR Hell!!!
Stupid being!
Philip said
Oh, your God.
You wrote this on purpose, seeking for some kind of twisted attention, didn’t you?
You are, and please read this adjective with caution, dumb.
I usually don’t bother with people like you, but your retarded views of the world
surely got my attention. And that is what you wanted.
I suggest you rethink your life perspective. If that’s not at all possible,
then shut up and find some animal you can talk about these things.
Preferrably a pig.
Bryan said
Moderate or Fanatic, you’re all a few nuts short of a pack. If you’re creationist, literalist,, and believe the world is 6000 years old (thats to say the world was created 2000 years AFTER the banana was cultivated), you automatically disqualify yourself in rational, productive discourse.
To deny Evolution is to deny all scientific disciplines at their most fundamental level: physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics etc. Yes, that’s correct. If you’re a creationist.. why put food in the fridge to keep it from rotting and spreading disease? Why seek medical attention? How does a 130ton plane suspend itself in air? Nuclear fusion as an energy source doesn’t actually work because science is wrong, and religion is right. Read some books people. The very things that make your life objectively better, easier, and less fearful, are all due to humanities progression within these scientific disciplines. Educate yourselves.
By the way Tiffany, there is no God for whom you are speaking for. So we cant “take it up with him” as you say. It is just YOU. You and your insidious delusion which is responsible for this mind-numbing, ignorant hatred for fellow man.
RAPTURE READY DAVE wrote: “And for the slime that surfaced on this board, just know that We True Christians will be laughing at you from Heaven as you bob on the bulbous blunt end of the Devil’s Rigatoni for all Eternity.”
That’s what its all about to you people. You can’t get away with saying that about anything else, because you might be challenged to prove that you’re right and we’re wrong. Its like a sport to you, where rule number one is ‘Cant challenge faith’. ‘We’re on the winning team, and when we win the final game, we’ll all be laughing at you’.
COLLEEN wrote: “You see, the Bible tells us to become like little children. I can see you have done exactly that, am guessing that your soul is in the right range of a very young child (I can also tell by your mispelled words, syntax challenges, and dangling modifiers). But learning grammar is not that important. is it? Neither is science or math, or any of those other hard subjects, they just give you us headaches. It is so much easier to just and let God take care of it all.”
Someone who is willing to admit to this CRAP has done all my work for me. Your God is a God of ignorance, servitude, totalitarianism. UH OH, beware of all literate people. Beware of all the educated ’souls’. Beware of math and science and ‘hard subjects’.
If you cant see how, in order to believe this, you must dull your sense and become an ignorant fool, then you are a fool to begin with and it is no great question why you have ended up believing this nonsense in the first place.
COLE wrote: “Holy crap. Tiffany, you are insane. granted, I’m a big scary democratic atheist (which apparently mean’s that I’m not allowed here), but still, you are off the deep end even by normal religious standards. It really is people like you that give Christians and other religious people a bad name.”
I agree, Tiffany is insane. I disagree that she is off the deep end of putative religious standards. I also 100% disagree that it is people like her that give Christians, and other religious people, bad names.
She’s following the “Good Book” to the letter (Ironic, I know). It is the MODERATES that misrepresent religion. Why? Because a revealed religion with out secular influence will remain unaltered. Essentially, it will remain, as religious moderates will currently call, fanatic. But, fanatics are not fanatic at all. It’s the moderates that provide a blast-shield for all ‘fanatics’ to hide behind. All the while not understanding that the ONLY reason they don’t stone adulterers, or slay their disobedient son, or condone slavery, or kill unbelievers – the list goes on – is because of centuries of secular morality and humanism.
Enough Said?
If the moderator here has any value in free speech, he’ll refrain from zealously and preferentially censoring these comments.
Sincerely,
Bryan
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Why would I remove any of your post? The best advertisement for Jesus is Satan. And you post proves that Satan’s anus has hemorrhoids that can type.
Onjay said
Not sure if this post will be allowed, because it might ruin all the fun… But let’s see: I thought it was obvious that this entire forum is a very conscientious and disciplined about Christ, designed to give the glory to their Savior and sternly teach other Christians that they must shape up or, supposedly, be lost. Personally, I’m [VULGARITY REMOVED] at being censored for the mere mention of [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] name–very dangerous and subversive, indeed! Farewell to all–live well, do good work, be happy–and I’ll see you in that place where [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , [SUSPECT NAME REMOVED] , and all the rest of the cool people would be hanging out for eternity, [BLASPHEMOUS SUGGESTION REMOVED] !
Bryan said
“MODERATOR’S NOTE: Why would I remove any of your post? The best advertisement for Jesus is Satan. And you post proves that Satan’s anus has hemorrhoids that can type.”
Are you serious? Why don’t you come down from your throne and argue on the level.
Isn’t it funny how “Satan’s work” is so clearly discernible through people like me (Facetious). Yet it’s growing exceedingly hard to observe any molecule, or remnant there of, of righteousness and goodness among the believers and their spokespersons.
Glossolalia Black said
I can’t decide if this is an epic troll or not.
The guys in the sombreros make me giggle.
All you need is a Random J. Trucksplosion, and this would be awesome.
Bill G said
You said it, man. Nobody [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] with the Jesus.
Anon said
“…if you want to write in mexican…”
That pretty much sums how smart you are… maybe you should pray to God to get some basic knowledge – like geography.
And you say you are doing Jesus work… do you have a dental plan?
Paola said
[UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY TRASHY SECULAR MORON REMOVED] you [UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY TRASHY SECULAR MORON REMOVED] !!
Hope you rot in hell!! You deserve that…you have no idea how much I wanna sneeze near you!
You dumb ingnorant and [UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY TRASHY SECULAR MORON REMOVED] [UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY TRASHY SECULAR MORON REMOVED]!
Bet God is very angry at you!!
mike litorus said
Speaking for my fellow porcine brothers and sisters “[UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY TRASHY SECULAR MORON REMOVED] YOU!”. Perhaps when you stop basing your “religious” or “secular” beliefs upon the sacrifice of us ‘DUMB ANIMALS’, will you learn that you aren’t GOD’s chosen. My hooves grow tired of typing against you humans ignorant [UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY TRASHY SECULAR MORON REMOVED] !
GodLovesTheUSA said
Danny, are you denying the swine flu is the work of The Lord? Only God who created us has the power to do anything to our bodies. You are ignorant, you have been brainwashed to love spics and niggers. We live in a world were our youth freely renounces The Lord. Do they not wake up with life? That is the life God gave you. You cannot deny Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.You will burn an eternity in Hell, Danny. You embrace spics with false ‘facts’.Do you not see you are wrong? Mexicans eat dogs, Mexicans are dog feces. There is no possible way 9% unemployment in United States of America while Mexicans only have 4%. We are hard working Americans. We go to college and build us a respectable living, while these spics don’t even have a 5% literacy rate. You will burn with Satan, Danny.
Johan said
Doesn’t this prove that the true lord is Allah? By giving the piggies a nasty flu he wants to tell us (again) to stay away from them.
Seems like the muslims were right, congratulations.
blueollie said
“Well im Mexican, proudly Mexican,
if you really love God and belive and what they
do, you are committing a sin, lying about
the people of my country and denigrating people
the love of god are for averyone, been american,japanes, mexican…
i feel sorry for you, i think you need a lot of love
if you nedd say thay things to feel good.
I hope God are very shame of you, and punish you.”
It is too early in the morning for me to count all of the misspellings in your post. Just a piece of advice: don’t try to blog while drunk; leave that for Sister June.
blueollie said
Wrong. What that means is that we believe THE BIBLE (e. g., God’s Holy Word) instead of what humans think. Humans aren’t as smart as God. Is that so hard to understand?
You capitalized the word “evolution”? Talk about blasphemy!
That’s right: we agree on something. Science, (including physics, chemistry, biology) and mathematics are Satanic and should be avoided.
Please. Now we have this atheist in sheep’s clothing telling us that if you refrigerate something you believe that scientists somehow evolved from blue-green algae over a period of a couple of billion years. Right.
Some people (see Sister June’s heartbreaking post) just don’t have the faith to trust in Jesus.
The evil atheistic scientists call it the Bernoulli effect but in fact, it flies because God wills it to.
Uh, nuclear fusion isn’t used as a controlled energy source; sure the sun uses it (if you believe the evil scientists) and nuclear weapons uses it, but fusion reactors haven’t been able to get much beyond the break-even point. You meant “nuclear FISSION” (where heavy, unstable nuclei are split apart, rather than where light nuclei are fused together)
Of course, this is all a Satanic delusion, but you should at least know what the evil egg headed Obama loving scientists are saying prior to reporting on it.
We do read books, or rather a book. It is called The Bible. We are educated: In the Ways of The Almighty.
How dare you call a Sister in the Blood of the Lamb a Liar. Do YOU have a direct line with the Almighty? Have you been blessed in the way that Sister Tiffany has? Shame on you for picking on a fine Christian Sister and Servant of the Lord.
That’s right. Enjoyment of the torments of the damned is one of our rewards. In fact, Jesus told me that we (at Republican Faith Chat) will have a special box seat and that the trolls on this board will be brought in front of us to be
waterboardedtortured immediately. Officials from the Bush administration (the best administration ever!) will lead the torture.Hey, if you can’t handle the truth, why do you come here?
Here we have a bit of confusion. I agree that those who use poor grammar are doomed, except for Sister June. But I agree with the math and science part; learning such subjects might take us further away from the true source of Divine Wisdom: His Holy Word.
You write as if these are bad things! Yes, we might be seen as “fools” by the unsaved, but we are wise in the Ways of the Lord!!!!
Ok, you’re getting closer…but you’ve got a long ways to go.
Now get off of your high horse, take your science and math books to the bonfire, and you’ll be closer to where you need to be.
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Just One Response Among Many,
“Go far enough back and your (and mine and everyone else’s) heritage is African.”
I suppose as a “scientist” you know this because you observed it and can reproduce the results. I look forward to your published paper. Your “scientific” assumption that everyone who ever lived on the continent of Africa or in the Middle East was dark skinned is beyond amusing.
“So your behaviour and that of everyone who participates in this forum is inherently and definitively un-Christian.”
And here I thought the Lord defined what was Christian. It’s you?
I’m devastated. All those years of ministry……
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Danny Mulvihill,
You actually get all your information from Wikipedia and the CIA and swallow it whole? And they accuse we Christians of being gullible…..
At least you disagree respectfully.
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Wow,
“Since you’re so good at finding scriptures…find a verse that mentions the “Trinity” and I do mean that exact word. God the Father,Jesus, and God’s Holy Spirit ARE NOT THE SAME.”
Ahhhh, a Unitarian cultist. Probably an Irishman as well. It’s there son, even if the Lord won’t accommodate you and say “Trinity” when Simon says. Why would He cast His pearls before swine? Anyway, I smell fire and brimstone. You in turn have been warned.
Almeida said
God’s word (the Bibile) says if you come to me through my son Jesus Christ, only that you will belong to my kingdom. Jesus says love your neighbour, that means even the people who are against you not only the loved ones. Those who does not accept Jesus also love their loved ones. We as God’s children are different as Jesus said follow him and obey his commands. As Gods children we cannot agree to any other comments that is not belong to the Bible. People can twist and corrupt God’s word trying to benefit them likewise using the bible in their thoughts to attack others and using the bible in corrupting it to various beneficence. What ever God did or mentioned in the bible is rightful because God is pure (righteousness) God’s anger is right. You cannot compare God’s anger and ours. God ending a person’s life is right. All what he did and doing is rightful. This world is belong to GOD. God lets every thing happend in good & bad ways. Good means not only the worderful lives we have or any other good things that happening to us, good means what is pleasing to God not only what is pleasing to us.
True christian will try your best to please God. It is hard because the satan tries to attack God’s children but we are not serving for satan WE ARE SERVING TO OUR LORD GOD WHO IS POWERFUL MERCIFUL & PURE. Repent for your sins and turn to Jesus. Jesus loves every one of you. Dont try to judge the other’s sins as it is left to God’s work and do not forget we too were sinners. As God’s children we have to pray for them and love them too.
does it matter said
Blueollie
your last post cracked me up
I sure hope you were trying to sound like a dumb [SHOCKING, UNCHRISTIAN VULGARITY REMOVED] and arent actually one
Thought God was supposed to be Omni-Benevolant and forgiving not a completely evil [SHOCKING, UNCHRISTIAN VULGARITY REMOVED] may have to stop believing in him and talk to Budda instead
Tiffany Wellsley said
Ameida,
You left a lovely post. And I agree with every statement of it (that I could actually understand, as few as those were). I am always thrilled when our younger children get their feet hot for Jesus. Bless your little heart! But, hon, this is a message board for adults. Surely you saw that. You must be 18-years-old to visit or post on this board. But don’t worry. I have no doubt that you will be more than up for the task of taking on demons and devils when you become old enough to post here in 10-or-so years. When that time comes, we will welcome you with open arms. Until then, please work hard on English composition and let your teachers know this is your weakest subject.
Run along now and play with your friends. And, again, I think you’re a lovely child!
Tiffany
gustavo said
im a big bad mexican, jajajaja, maybe y can sick you with the cyber flu…. jajaja (prehaps yo will belive that, if you belive in gods [WETBACK VULGARITY REMOVED])…. question.. are you fat?, alone? you grandfather is a redneck? yo sleep with your borthers? you obey your mother? you don have friends? you dont have [WETBACK VULGARITY REMOVED]? you eat mcdonals for dinner every day? you belive that rambo was real? you are angry becouse every body is better than you?? thats your life isn’t…poor looser…god hates looser like you.. god loves brave people like mexicans who have to deal with a millions of rednecks like you jajajaja….
MODERATOR’S NOTE: God loves Mexicans? My goodness, He has a odd way of showing it!
gustavo said
yeah!! god is odd they put us next to you… jajajaja thats a hard punushment..for luck.. not every americans are like you… well the evil american are just the rednecks one. like the mcdonlas eaters on this post….any way god americans= son of emigrants… ban americans= son between the mariege of english cousins… rednecks!
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Does It Matter,
“Thought God was supposed to be Omni-Benevolant and forgiving not a completely evil [SHOCKING, UNCHRISTIAN VULGARITY REMOVED] may have to stop believing in him and talk to Budda instead”
I believe you mean Bubba (the Magnificent). You can talk to him here:
http://www.worldofcreeps.com/creeps/main/godInfo.jsp?godid=306
He has 99 believers. You can be #100. Good luck. Maybe Bubba is more benevolent than the Lord. You had better hope so. I smell fire and brimstone.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Gustavo,
Get to a doctor immediately! It appears swine flu has not only infected your body generally but has reached your brain. The virus has eaten away so much of your brain mass that you are undoubtedly unaware of how incomprehensible your posts are. The effect may be irreversible. Get help immediately. (And if you don’t seek medical attention, please don’t swim across the Rio Grande.)
Tiffany
Emma D said
This is absolutely hilarious. Your ignorance amuses me, Tiffany. Grow up.
Bryan said
Blueollie!
I find it so incredibly sad, you’re attempts at making concessions for your faith.
I love how you people can point and laugh at the Catholics or Muslims or Buddhists while bow down and pray to their saviors and lords. Accusing them as being damned, accursed, ignorant in the ways of Divine Wisdom, sinners, stupid, and completely deluded for praising a false idol. Then in your next step, turn around, and bow down to your crucifix and praise the name of a man who was brutally executed 2000 years ago. This is no different then sacrificing a baby of your village to ensure the health of your crops!
blueollie said
“you’re attempts”
Bryan: “you are” attempts? If you were a Saved Conservative Christian Republican, you’d know that the correct word was “your”.
Your atrocious grammar reveals you to be Satan’s agent.
“This is no different then sacrificing a baby of your village to ensure the health of your crops!”
Of course it is different! Now there are some places that sacrifice adults instead.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Bryan,
Your post is outrageous! The Lord has never asked us to sacrifice one of our own children. Well, there was that time He told Abraham to brutally murder his only son. But to the Lord’s credit, right before Abraham was about to bash that child’s head in with a rock, as the boy lay there in terror, probably after pooping his loin cloth, the Lord yelled, Gotcha!” and no death occurred. And while the Lord has killed countless children to punish us, he has never actually gone through with any demand that anyone kill his own children. Well, except for His own son. God did send His own son to be brutally murdered. But that’s the only time he was ever specific in his instructions for filicide.
Read your Bible and get your facts straight before posting on this Godly board.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Sister Tiffany: you probably lost Bryan with the use of the word “filicide”. When dealing with non-believers who are, well, intellectually challenged, one has to use simpler diction.
Danny Mulvihill said
Dear blueollie,
I am not Mexican at all. My ancestry is Irish, Swedish, and dutch.
Philip,
If you are addressing me, I did not write this to get attention. I wrote this to call attention to the fallacies presented by the author of this article. And yes, “your god” is accurate coming from me as I don’t have a religion, and i don’t believe in god, heaven or hell. Way to go with the ad hominem argument*.
Brian,
Thank you for saying all that you did. I agree with most of it.
I believe “[BLASPHEMY FROM ENGLISH HOMOSEXUAL PRISSPOT INTELLECTUAL ELITE REMOVED]”
-Richard Dawkins
GodLovesTheUSA,
You are the one who has been brainwashed into thinking that anyone is below you, to close your ears and your mind to any kind of rational thought and to look to the bible for all of your science and knowledge. You cannot face the facts because they disrupt your narrow minded view of the world. I placed those citations in my text for your benefit, to show you the facts so your could see them and not just take my word for it.
Also, I don’t believe that there is any correlation between literacy and sloth.
The Theory of Evolution has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. There is consensus in the scientific community. The only dissenters are fringe scientists who don’t understand it. I promise I can substantiate this claim.
All sarcastic comments are marked by *.
Bryan said
You’re asking me to get my facts straight, Tiffany? First of all, I don’t derive any of my truths from a piece of ancient mythology – The Bible. But, it just so happens that I am, if I do say so myself, a fairly well read individual when it comes to The Bible. Granted, I know it less thoroughly, but that’s not saying much. None the less I am still educated. It matters not that I can simply tell you to read Leviticus in order to show you where in The Bible filicide is not only condoned but mandated; it matters not when you choose to read through religious goggles.
Further proof is a Biblical recounting of Jephthah. Where by, essentially, Jephthah entered into a divine contract with God to ensure success in battle, he made a vow to the lord and said, “if you will indeed deliver the people Ammon into my hands, then it will be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the people of Ammon, shall surely be the Lords, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering”. And the Lord fulfilled his side of the bargain, naturally agreeing to Jephthah’s terms. And the first person to greet him at his home was his beloved daughter. And so Jephthah murdered her as a burnt offering.
So tell me, where was Gods mercy? Where was Gods will staying the hand of Jephthah this time, as he proceeded to slay his daughter. If you accept it as truth for one, you must for all? So don’t bring up Abraham, cause you only call into question your own fanaticism, which is the only thing you dregs have going for you.
Secondly, I wasn’t aware that it was one of Jesus’ teachings that people who mistype “you’re” for “your” are clearly Satan’s people. What Bible are you reading? Maybe YOU should read it more… but I don’t sincerely encourage you to
Dottie415 said
Lord have mercy, I am not surprised pig flu came from Mexico when the whole country looks like a sty.
Back when I had my wooden doll business I used to have to go down to Mexico to check on suppliers. If I went 10 feet from the hotel in the wrong direction I would be in a slum.
The whole stinking country is a toilet. No wonder them little brown folks is always trying to get out.
blueollie said
Bryan, you make grammatical errors and then you confuse nuclear fusion with nuclear fission.
That is what leads me to believe that you are one of Satan’s minions.
Moderator please look at post 366. Why are you allowing for someone to quote Richard Dawkins around here? This is supposed to be a Conservative Christian Republican site, and not the blog of PZ Myers.
Besides, thanks to some CIA help, Dr. Dawkins has admitted that evolution (or EVIL-loution, has he says it), is really a Marxist conspiracy.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Thank you for the heads up. The offending verbal vomit has been scraped off the floor. It is strictly forbidden to quote any of “Dr.” Dawkins’ blasphemy on this board, even if only to mock it.
Lurleen said
This don’t surprise me at all to read. Them [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] Mexicans is just short niggers. I wish they would get the [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] out of our country!!!!!
I pray to the Lord Christ that He spare us this plague and drive those dirty [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] from our Promised Land!!! In His name a truly pray.
Anon said
Quote from Tiffany: Your post is outrageous! The Lord has never asked us to sacrifice one of our own children
He has asked that you kill your own children, if a child doesn’t heed your word, then aren’t you supposed to stone them to death? Or if they speak of foreign prophets? He has also asked that you sacrifice turtles.
I love how this Edward Current guy parodies Christian fundamentalists, I think you should watch this video – he refers to a couple of relevant bible quotes. I wholly recommend people to sign up to his youtube channel as well:
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Your blasphemous video has been removed. This site is a place for True Christians to fellowship, not for unsaved trash like you to post your disgusting lib propaganda. Do it one more time and you will be banned, buddy!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
Were you born an idiot or did you experience some sort of traumatic brain injury?
God ordered us to stone to death disobedient children and children who struck or cursed us. We were to stone them to death for THEIR sins, not as a sacrifice for OUR OWN sins.
Get with the flow.
Tiffany
Anon said
MODERATOR…
This is a site that links to Fox News, one of the worst news sources for propaganda, but it’s US conservative propaganda…so it doesn’t matter to you, even if people like Bill O’Reilley have been proven to make up statistics and misrepresent people’s arguments and the news. But you’ll only listen to what you like to hear.
Besides, it was a video on Christianity, it has nothing to do with liberals or politics, there are such things as atheist conservatives too, my housemate is one. The video was simply a parody trying to illustrate a point, it uses bible quotes in order to help illustrate those points.
Your censoring here is wholly unjustified.
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Danny Mulvihill,
“The Theory of Evolution has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.”
No doubt proven by Wikipedia and the CIA, where you seem to get all your information. Highly credible sources indeed.
“I am not Mexican at all. My ancestry is Irish, Swedish, and dutch.”
That explains it all. Another Irishman. You were better off as a Mexican.
MORT said
your god died upon a cross… my god still wields his hammer!!!
Danny Mulvihill said
The CIA has nothing to say about the theory of evolution. What you must realize about Wikipedia is that all of the claims made in, at least the evolution article, it are backed up by credible peer reviewed sources. And it is those sources that present the evidence regarding evolution.
Of course someone like you is too close minded to consider the physical evidence of this matter. I hypothesize that you will dismiss any evidence in favor of Evolution as sent from the devil, and all scientists as his ministers. Your sight is too narrow to realize that there is so much more to life than “god did it”. That life is so much more complicated so much more free and wonderful without the mask of a deity.
Do you consider yourself close minded?
Do you consider me to be close minded?
Also I am curious how me being Irish explains anything. Would someone please explain to me?
I feel that my discourse will be censored.
Rosa Maria Guzman said
In the past i was a beliver, i belived in God and in church but, for some incredible reason, people like you made me live.
It wasn’t making any sense to me anymore.
I’m a woman of science and for that i say you are the crappiest person i have ever met.
I wish get the swine flu !!!
Yo soy mexicana, olé!!!
James S said
Tiffany Wellsley- truly you are yourself proof that there is no divine force in the universe. I find it hard to believe that any god worth worshipping would lack so much sense in creating something as venomous in nature as yourself.
However, if nothing else, you’re good for a laugh. I’ve particularly enjoyed reading through your criticisms of other posters’ spelling and grammar:
April 27, 2009 at 4:35 pm
‘You say that I give Republican Protestants a bad name with my writings on a “cristian” website. Not only did you fail to capitalize the word that should reflect the essence of your being, you spelled it incorrectly! Illiterate buffoons like you are the ones who give Republican Protestants a bad name.’
Impurity of language = impurity of mind. Well Tiffany, if that be the case:
April 27, 2009 at 11:24 am
‘The brutality and destruction will not be entirely blase, though. There will be great sparks of creativity. Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads, women’s hair, lion’s teeth and scorpion’s tails that will sting and inflict savage pain on sinners for five months (Revelation 9:7-10)’.
I quote again, ‘Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads’
‘Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads’
‘Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads’
Hell, once more: ‘Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads’
I love hypocrisy. Oh, and I do hope that my name meets your own oh-so-racist quality standards,
April 27, 2009 at 3:49 pm
‘Iason (what a suspiciously foreign trash-sounding name–unless you just don’t know how to spell)’
Fo those who are not aware, ‘Iason’ is an alternate spelling of ‘Jason’, a Greek name, using the Greek equivalent of the letter ‘I’ (iota) instead, which can be used to make our ‘J’ sound in Greek. ‘Tiffany’ is a name that also draws its origins from Greek. I love irony too. Don’t you just hate these foreign trash-sounding names?
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Mr. Mulvihill,
Since you like Wikipedia so well here is their description of a theory:
“Theories are abstract and conceptual, and to this end they are never considered right or wrong. Instead, they are supported or challenged by observations in the world. They are ‘rigorously tentative’, meaning that they are proposed as true but expected to satisfy careful examination to account for the possibility of faulty inference or incorrect observation.”
So on a purely scientific level, has anyone observed the evolution of one species into another and been able to reproduce the result? I thought not. My doubts are quite reasonable.
“He builds a pig-sty against the house wall as he did at home, and if he is prevented from doing this, he lets the pig sleep in the room with himself. This new and unnatural method of cattle-raising in cities is wholly of Irish origin. The Irishman loves his pig as the Arab his horse, with the difference that he sells it when it is fat enough to kill. Otherwise, he eats and sleeps with it, his children play with it, ride upon it, roll in the dirt with it…” – Frederick Engels
Hate to quote him but he may have had a point.
Tiffany Wellsley said
James S,
You give men everywhere a bad name. In fact, I suspect you’re a homosexual since a real man wouldn’t speak to a lady the way you did. You should be thankful my husband doesn’t read this blog.
Of course, I make typographical errors, just as everyone does. But what you dishonestly omitted from the first post you quoted is that I was responding to someone who had accused me of being illiterate. That woman had about 25 syntax errors in a post that was only a few sentences long, yet she was criticizing my writing skills. The fact that I pointed out her many errors was hardly intended to suggest that I am flawless. Indeed, only God is perfect. I was simply pointing out that the poster had no business criticizing another person’s errors.
You conveniently distorted the context of my post, making you a liar in addition to being a nancy boy. Please leave, sir/madam. You have no business on a Christian message board (or any message board, for that matter, that doesn’t have “bathhouse” in its title.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Rosa Maria Guzman:
“In the past i was a beliver, i belived in God and in church but, for some incredible reason, people like you made me live.
It wasn’t making any sense to me anymore.
I’m a woman of science and for that i say you are the crappiest person i have ever met.
I wish get the swine flu !!!”
How is anyone supposed to make sense of the above gibberish? It reads as if it were written by either a sober 3′rd grader, a drunk adult, or a Mexican…oh wait, you admitted that you were the latter.
Go away.
Maria Matos said
I have never read anything (I mean this woman’s article) so disgusting and stupid in my all life!
This kind of human being must be put in a mad house very quickly where she can speak to GOD behind the bars.
… oh MULHER [MEXICAN GIBBERISH REMOVED]
MM
James S said
Tiffany,
I speak to people with respect when they merit it, regardless of gender. As you seem so interested in my sexuality, I hence hasten to inform you that I am in a very happy heterosexual relationship. I do, however, resent you suggesting that homosexuals would speak to someone in any other way, and that they are not ‘real’ men. You are perfectly entitled to your beliefs, regardless of how horrifically judgemental and bigoted others will find them. If you truly believe that all that counts is faith in a text without evidence in earning a reward of eternal bliss, that’s fine, really. If you’re right, I guess I’ll find out one day. Then the various ethnic and social groups, and people with names you don’t like, as well as myself, can think about how wrong we were in being born into different values or skin colour to you, and your hatred will be an insignificant speck in comparison to our miserable eternities of suffering from God. In the meantime, you would do well to keep these beliefs to yourself. Insulting the ethnic groups and sexualities of people does nothing but stir up hatred towards you and your religion. It far from advances any sort of Christian cause, and, as I’m sure you will have noticed from the responces to this messageboard, actually has an adverse effect on peoples’ attiudes towards Christianity.
To further comment on the vile and frighteningly blantant racism that has been exhibited in this messageboard, I would personally look to something like Genesis 1:27 ‘God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.’ It does not say ‘except the Mexicans/Irish/whatever prejudices you have’, instead projecting a definate image of equality; I find it hard to believe that a God that loves us would create inferior races of people. You have not responded to your clear error in mocking the ‘foreign trash-sounding’ name, ‘Iason/Jason’. Surely it’s a name you’ve heard? And even if it isn’t, surely a person’s substance and character matters more than the colour of their skin or name?
I can’t see the person in question criticising your grammar:
‘-BelieverInChrist- said
April 27, 2009 at 4:16 pm
I can’t believe you have the audacity to come on a cristian website and call mexicans “wetbacks” and the catholic church a “cult”. You call Jesus’ actions as “imperfect”. You are giving Republican Protestants a bad name. I bet you don’t even belong to a church. If you do you should seriously speak to a pastor outside of your church about your beliefs and let them minister to you The Word.’
In any case, even if he/she was (and by all means, show me, for it only makes them a hypocrite as well), the fact of the matter is, as you have put it, none of us are perfect. If you criticise someone for using incorrect grammar, syntax or spelling, and then do the same yourself, expect to be treated the same way, for it makes you a hypocrite.
I can assure you, I am quite petrified of the prospect of your husband reading this blog. The prospect of nothing else could keep me up at night more.
Danny Mulvihill said
Bishop Robert Sponge,
I agree that your doubts are rational. Everyone should be doubtful until presented with the proper evidence. However your conclusion is premature.
Observed instances of speciation are numerous. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
Many more examples can be found by googling “observed instances of speciation”
I implore the moderator to allow the following link to remain active. As I am trying to answer the Bishop’s question. If you desire to refute it I encourage you to do so in a verbal way. Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoEiLOV8jc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGQu3cm3CE&feature=PlayList&p=E6F10C17C6542057&index=70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne1GwkFmylY&feature=PlayList&p=E6F10C17C6542057&index=71
Though I agree with that description of a theory, a more accurate definition can be found within the “Scientific Theory” article. I encourage you to read it.
I eagerly anticipate statistical evidence regarding your claim about the Irish.
Also I would like to thank you bishop for the amount of respect you showed in your last post. I will try as hard as I can to be as respectful as I can to you.
-Danny Mulvihill
Danny Mulvihill said
I want to formally apologize for the obscenities uttered in the above videos.
blueollie said
Moderator: Has this site become Richardawkins.net? Why are people allowed to post evolutionist videos around here?
I’ll tell you when true “speciation” occurred: when The Almighty ordered it to occur!
What has the world come to when people are allowed to teach Satanic Science at a Christian Conservative Republican site?
Why don’t we have some good videos, such as this one?
Maria Matos said
Frightening and hilarious
tifanny … your approach to this issue is as frightening as hilarious.
Besides being TOTALLY INSANE YOU ARE SO IGNORANT you can’t tell the diference between two languages: PORTUGUESE AND SPANISH (this MEXICAN GIBBERISH REMOVED)
I wish you could, at least, know that mexicans speak castellano – the oficial language of Spain – and get very quickly the SWINE FLU to send you to bed! On the way I hope you fall on your face and break both arms to stop you writing thise outrageous IMBECILITIES.
WE ALL HOPE AMERICA HAS SOMETHING BETTER TO OFFER!
MM
Absconding Pete said
Dishwashing sandal detergents cause Arabian nostril fletchlings to exfoliate expungatory waffle cones
In conclusion: Veil is only good on pork
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Mr. Mulvihill,
Against my better judgement I decided to check out the sources you cite. As always, debating with “true believers” of the religion of science is a moving target, as are their definitions.
The argument for speciation as a proof for the larger idea of macroevolution is, well, specious. In the end, the proponents argue against rigorous definitions and laboratory practice because they think it too much trouble. They have already decided.
Sound familiar?
My statement referred to “species” in the original Darwinian sense, which does not include the fine parsing and shifting of definitions of the current proponents of speciation as a proof of macroevolution. They have proven nothing regarding your statement that “The Theory of Evolution has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.”
“I eagerly anticipate statistical evidence regarding your claim about the Irish.”
It is not my claim but that of Frederick Engels, darling of commies and evolutionists. He apparently considered statistics unnecessary since what he described “could be seen in any town in England”. I thought it interesting considering our current discussion regarding relations between pigs and humans. He certainly had only anecdotal evidence that the Irish are coarse and unclean, which you have now supported with your previous post, apologies aside.
I warned myself against this argument. I should take my own advice.
WOW said
Bishop Robert Sponge aka blasphemous spawn of satan,
“Ahhhh, a Unitarian cultist. Probably an Irishman as well. It’s there son, even if the Lord won’t accommodate you and say “Trinity” when Simon says. Why would He cast His pearls before swine? Anyway, I smell fire and brimstone. You in turn have been warned.”
LOL You couldn’t find any verses could you? I love how satan makes himself look ridiculos when confronted with the TRUTH! God is NOT the author of confusion, MAN is!!! People interpret the Bible to suit their biased ideologies instead of letting the Bible interpret itself! Since the “Trinity” is such a huge part of mainstream Christianity you honestly believe God would not mention it ONCE is his Holy Word?! You really are a silly demon!
Did you know the term “Trinity” was 1st used by Tertullian in the 2nd century and wasn’t widely used until the 4th and 5th centuries?
The fact that blasphemers, like yourself, use “he”, “him” and “himself” to reference the Holy Spirit is a testimony to the influence Satan has on mankind.
Greek, Spanish, French, Italian, etc. invoke a specific gender for every noun, whether animate or inanimate. The term is unrelated to whether the item is indeed masculine or feminine. Parakletos(used John 14-16) meaning “Helper”, “Comforter” and “Advocate” is a masculine word in Greek. To translate these pronouns into English as “he” is GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT!!!
But you knew that already didn’t you satan?
Oh by the way, I’m a binitarianism not a “Unitarian” as you so eloquently put it. Seeing that the Holy Sprirt is GOD’S POWER and NOT a person it would only make sense that the God Family consists of 2 divine beings for now and many more to come in the resurrection!
The fact that you can “smell fire and brimstone” should tell you YOU’RE STANDING TOO CLOSE TO THE FLAMES!
Now shoooooo legion and sin no more!
none of your [BLASPHEMY] business said
The moderator is ignorant. God help us all. No such language as Mexican. It’s Spanish, dummy. This is what happens when you have your nose in a Bible 24/7.
none of your [BLASPHEMY] business said
your quote:
“MODERATOR’S NOTE: Your blasphemous video has been removed. This site is a place for True Christians to fellowship, not for unsaved trash like you to post your disgusting lib propaganda. Do it one more time and you will be banned, buddy!”
unsaved trash? [UNCHRISTIAN WORD TYPED BY HUMAN GARBAGE REMOVED] you to [UNCHRISTIAN WORD TYPED BY HUMAN GARBAGE REMOVED], uppity self-righteous moderator; I hope your house burns down and someone and your whole family dies of swine flu
it’s because of people like you that I don’t want anything to do with your [UNCHRISTIAN WORD TYPED BY HUMAN GARBAGE REMOVED] god; I’d [UNCHRISTIAN WORD TYPED BY HUMAN GARBAGE REMOVED] on Jesus face before wanting to get saved
extreme hater of God said
did you ever think about joining with the god hates fags group?
seems right up you whack jobs’ alley
all you evangelicals are the filthiest of pigs for sure
Anon said
‘Religious people split into three main groups when faced with science. I shall label them the “know-nothings”, the “know-alls”, and the “no-contests”.’
“I suspect that today if you asked people to justify their belief in God, the dominant reason would be scientific. Most people, I believe, think that you need a God to explain the existence of the world, and especially the existence of life. They are wrong, but our education system is such that many people don’t know it. ”
“A universe with a God would like quite different from a universe without one. A physics, a biology where there is a God is bound to look different. So the most basic claims of religion are scientific. Religion is a scientific theory. ”
“The trouble is that God in this sophisticated, physicist’s sense bears no resemblance to the God of the Bible or any other religion. If a physicist says God is another name for Planck’s constant, or God is a superstring, we should take it as a picturesque metaphorical way of saying that the nature of superstrings or the value of Planck’s constant is a profound mystery. It has obviously not the smallest connection with a being capable of forgiving sins, a being who might listen to prayers, who cares about whether or not the Sabbath begins at 5pm or 6pm, whether you wear a veil or have a bit of arm showing; and no connection whatever with a being capable of imposing a death penalty on His son to expiate the sins of the world before and after he was born. ”
“Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one.”
“Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.”
Anon said
I AM BACK YOU [SHOCKINGLY FOUL WORD FROM DISGUSTING MEXICAN TRASH REMOVED] MODERATOR!
Anon said
I DO PRAY THAT TIFF AND THE MOD GETS RAPED BY MONKEYS!
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Anon said
April 27, 2009 at 3:42 am
That what Picard thinks about you.
Anon said
“It is often said, mainly by the “no-contests”, that although there is no positive evidence for the existence of God, nor is there evidence against his existence. So it is best to keep an open mind and be agnostic. At first sight that seems an unassailable position, at least in the weak sense of Pascal’s wager. But on second thoughts it seems a cop-out, because the same could be said of Father Christmas and tooth fairies. There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can’t prove that there aren’t any, so shouldn’t we be agnostic with respect to fairies?”
“Science offers us an explanation of how complexity (the difficult) arose out of simplicity (the easy). The hypothesis of God offers no worthwhile explanation for anything, for it simply postulates what we are trying to explain. It postulates the difficult to explain, and leaves it at that.”
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Mr.(?) Wow,
“People interpret the Bible to suit their biased ideologies instead of letting the Bible interpret itself!”
It’s funny how those who trumpet the idea of Scripture interpreting Scripture usually end up having it say what they want it to say. (I will give the Lutherans a pass on this one. Most of them actually adhere to the principle to the point of seeming absolutely ridiculous to Rationalists of all stripes. Not necessarily a bad thing.)
“Did you know the term “Trinity” was 1st used by Tertullian in the 2nd century and wasn’t widely used until the 4th and 5th centuries?”
Did you know that it wasn’t necessary to attempt to articulate the details of the nature of God found in Scripture and received in faith by the early Church until they came under attack from Gnostic heretics such as yourself? Everything old is new again.
“Parakletos(used John 14-16) meaning “Helper”, “Comforter” and “Advocate” is a masculine word in Greek. To translate these pronouns into English as “he” is GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT!!!”
I’m glad you are a scholar of Koine Greek. We speak English here. You can call God “it” or “she” to make your point I suppose. Don’t expect a lot of support for it. I’ll bet you speak Gaelic as well, eh?
“Oh by the way, I’m a binitarianism not a “Unitarian” as you so eloquently put it.”
Tomato, tomahto. Gnostic heretic.
“The fact that you can “smell fire and brimstone” should tell you YOU’RE STANDING TOO CLOSE TO THE FLAMES!”
True enough. I do not fear to take on the heathen/heretic/Irishman on the ground of his own choosing. That is usually fairly close to the flames. I smell burning rubber as well. Best check the soles of your Adidas son.
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Mr. Anon,
You are good at cutting and pasting items that at least have some coherence, even if they sound like the philosophical ramblings of a drunken Irishman. You should stick to that to avoid embarrassing yourself.
WOW said
Mrs(?)Robert Sponge,
“It’s funny how those who trumpet the idea of Scripture interpreting Scripture usually end up having it say what they want it to say. (I will give the Lutherans a pass on this one. Most of them actually adhere to the principle to the point of seeming absolutely ridiculous to Rationalists of all stripes. Not necessarily a bad thing.)”
People who state such then do the opposite are NOT Christians, I believe their called liars(Lutherans included but I’m sure they feel privileged you got their backs)! Nice try but you can do better!
“Did you know that it wasn’t necessary to attempt to articulate the details of the nature of God found in Scripture and received in faith by the early Church until they came under attack from Gnostic heretics such as yourself? Everything old is new again.”
So twisting God’s Word to shut up Gnostic heretics is acceptable? Please stop. God’s TRUE people have ALWAYS “articulated” the divine nature of God but ignorant blasphemers, like yourself, would hear none of the TRUTH and decided to pull stuff out of their colon. Yes, satan is trying his old tricks in a new way, what a shame his fate still remains unchangeable!
” I’m glad you are a scholar of Koine Greek. We speak English here. You can call God “it” or “she” to make your point I suppose. Don’t expect a lot of support for it. I’ll bet you speak Gaelic as well, eh?”
Really? That’s the best you could come up with…LOL You really are a goon…anywho, anyone with an IQ of 100(sorry that omits you and your mom) can get look up the Greek words used in the Bible…it’s clear as day foolish swine! And if you could actually read, you would see that you CANNOT call the HOLY SPIRIT a “he” or “she”. Next time you want to respond to my posts, get someone with half a brain to read them to you aloud 1st or else this is just no fun!
“Tomato, tomahto. Gnostic heretic.”
I had to laugh at that one…NICE. Seriously though, slap yourself and play dead!
“True enough. I do not fear to take on the heathen/heretic/Irishman on the ground of his own choosing. That is usually fairly close to the flames. I smell burning rubber as well. Best check the soles of your Adidas son.
Lucky for you I’m neither a heathen, heretic, or Irishman because if I were I’d probably pull your intestines out through your anus and send your stump of a penis to your sister/wife in a hallmark card. Besides, I wouldn’t want to get hillbilly blood on my new kicks!
Can you smell DEEZ? Kiss my converse PIG!!
Ness said
i am sitting at home, on my bed
i built an idol. it is in a box in school
and for a week i will worship it
and nobody will know
except you might know.
if you are reading this.
i will print out this blog too. and show it to my class. you will all be famous. you are all famous.
ISNT THAT EXCITING!?
let me tell you something,
you are not crazy, any of you
but
if you for even one second,
just one second
stepped out of your body and into another,
another from this posting chain
or you sister, or your mother or your best friend
you would go into such shock
that they have seen things so differently from you and do everything differently from you, that your muscles work differently, and that you brush your teeth differently
so when you write to each other
do you know all that?
go to sleep forever, amen.
Anon said
Yes Sir Mr. Sponge!
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Heretic Wow,
“People who state such then do the opposite are NOT Christians…”
We actually agree on something. Like yourself, they worship the 3 pounds of gray matter they assume to exist between their ears.
“So twisting God’s Word to shut up Gnostic heretics is acceptable?”
The preferred method is burning at the stake, but that is frowned upon these days.
“… anyone with an IQ of 100(sorry that omits you and your mom) can get look up the Greek words used in the Bible…
Great. Anybody skilled enough to use Google becomes an expert on translation of Koine Greek into modern English. Are you sure you are not Irish, Mr. Wikipedia Wizard?
“Lucky for you I’m neither a heathen, heretic, or Irishman because if I were I’d probably pull your intestines out through your anus and send your stump of a penis to your sister/wife in a hallmark card.”
A theological discourse worthy of an Irishman, even if you are not one.
TheOriginalAnon said
Hmmm, there are a lot of people posting as ‘anon’, so I’ve just changed my name, to save some of the confusion.
Quote ““So twisting God’s Word to shut up Gnostic heretics is acceptable?”
The preferred method is burning at the stake, but that is frowned upon these days.”
Not that I’d encourage either, surely you should not be out to shut up people through twisting somebody’s word, but preaching it honestly…wouldn’t that be frowned upon by God. It is a good thing that society doesn’t burn people at the stake, and if you’re bound by the limits of society, then put up with it rather than be deceptive.
But you guys are very much ‘yay pain and suffering to sinners’ yet always seem to ignore the ‘loving’ side of Jesus, because it contradicts your views of wrath, hate and strife, and you guys despite the loving side, a ‘namby-pamby’ Jesus I’ve seen it referred to, but I have yet anyone tell me what Jesus actually meant with his speech of ‘love and compassion’, instead they fall back on irrelevant quotes or quotes of the old testament. It’s as though you all are selective anyway. Selective hatred or selective love, you’ll back it up with any bible quote you choose. Christianity is as a whole schizophrenic with so many people claiming that be the right ones. It’s laughable. None of you are willing to wake up into the real world outside of that book.
It seems the bible is just their to excuse the evils in your life, yet you use it to your own convenience, how many of you would actually stone your child to dead, or gather to kill your neighbour if he works on the Sabbath, how many of the women sacrifice 2 turtles when they menstruate? You don’t do these things because you know they’re wrong, because you know they’re just cult-like practices, but so much of the bible makes your own flaws seems like good things, so that nobody can tell you otherwise, as the bible acts as an excuse for almost anything.
Danny Mulvihill said
blueollie,
Do you know the difference between abiogenesis and evolution? In the natural sciences, abiogenesis, or origin of life, is the study of how life on Earth could have arisen from inanimate matter.
In biology, evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Though the changes produced in any one generation are small, differences accumulate with each generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the organisms. This process can culminate in the emergence of new species.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_RXX7pntr8&feature=PlayList&p=DB23537556D7AADB&index=6&playnext=4&playnext_from=PL
Danny Mulvihill said
I implore everyone to research the definitions of what you are claiming. Please try to use the right ones.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: If you are spouting so-called “scientific” lies, then it don’t matter if your definition is “this garbage” or “another type of garbage.” Darwin is dead, but Jesus lives! Praise!
Christian Whores for Jesus said
Yeah, we know what Carrie Prejean is about.
Fake tits, lingerie modeling, and against gay marriage.
Yep, I’ve been to churches where women walk in wearing visible lingerie while the preacher burns the shit out of everyone looking lustfully at her. Only the preacher is allowed to lust of course (then murder and dismember her afterwords of course, and then go have gay sex with some of the young boys).
Hahahaha!
Give some of that good old time Southern Baptist hypocrisy.
blueollie said
Danny, give it up. The Bible implies that the earth is 6000 years, which is no where near long enough for your “scientific” fairy tale called “evolution” to work.
Yeah, I’ve read the work of various egg heads who postulate on abiogenesis and even the work of one lauded egg head who concluded that over time, the number of “life present states” greatly exceeds “the no life states”
But we don’t need egg heads; we have the Bible which tells us exactly how it was done.
TheOriginalAnon said
So rather than science, logic and the world, instead we can just rely on ancient texts to tell us the truth, therefore making all constradictions outside false by default.
Hmm, it’d be great to live by that unrealistic mindset, I mean…Odin…could he really be real? I wonder what Thor has been up to since the Eddas. But hey, I can ignore blatent scientific evidence and consider it mumbo jumbo…come on, the plates colliding causes earthquakes, that’s ridiculous, the Eddas say quite clearly that it’s each time Loki convulses, on behalf of the torture he goes through. (He betrayed the Gods) And don’t those heathen scientists suggest that a giant eagle is the cause of wind and don’t those deluded scientists dare suggest that Earth is the remains of Ymir’s corpse.
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But BlueOllie, could you really help me get this one straight? (and I don’t meant that!) But; how do you know the bible is the word of God?
Followed by
How do you God exists?
I think these are two very key questions, given that’s what most people know, yet Christians seem to fail to give a straight answer.
Danny Mulvihill said
Good questions Anon. I look forward to weather or not they will give an answer that is not fallacious.
Danny Mulvihill said
The earth is not six thousand years old. Not even close. You must realize that the bible is wrong on this issue.
[STUPID LIB ATHEIST PROPAGANDA REMOVED]
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Mr. T.O. Anon,
“Not that I’d encourage either, surely you should not be out to shut up people through twisting somebody’s word, but preaching it honestly…wouldn’t that be frowned upon by God. It is a good thing that society doesn’t burn people at the stake, and if you’re bound by the limits of society, then put up with it rather than be deceptive.”
The antecedent of my “burning at the stake” comment was “shut up Gnostic heretics”, as that would be an effective method of silencing them. Talking to them, twisted word or not, would only have the effect of generating more of their heretical spew.
It was sarcastic. Not my fault if Irishmen are incapable of detecting sarcasm.
It is Heretic Wow, the self-proclaimed “binitarianism”, who is twisting Gods Word and being deceptive. I have no need to burn him. It will be the natural result. The soles of his Converse All-Stars are already melting. Might want to check yours as well.
I liked the other Anon better. A respectful lad.
blueollie said
To the Moderator What in the world is going on here? Why are you allowing atheists to post all of these egg-head science videos? Has this site become Pharyngula or richarddawkins.net???
Are you going to list us with the science blogs now???
I suppose that if I want something done right, I have to do it myself.
You need to check this out
Or how about this one?
bobby g said
Anon, I will try to answer your question on how a christian knows that the Bible is the word of God, and how I as a christian knows that God exists.
The Bible, has never been dis-proven. Where it talks about science, it is true. When it comes to science, man has changed his mind many times, yet the bible remains constant in that area. When it comes to creation, God said that He created the world. Now I understand, that you have to believe that God is real to believe what He says, but He claims to have been there, and evolutionsists and geologists, as well as other scientists, can only theorize upon the subject. You may say that the Bible is full of contradictions, I think it is full of paradoxes,(two ideas that are opposite, but are both truths). Actually, tho, I accept the bible and it’s teachings, as God’s Word, by faith. I trust that He is who He says He is, and so I believe the Bible.
Faith is a funny thing. Everyone has it. Evolutionists have faith in the theory of Darwin. Scientists have faith in their understanding of their view of the creation of this earth. The christian has faith in God’s view. It all depends upon your world view, as to what you have faith in. So having said all of that, I will tell you why I believe that God is real.
I look around in nature and I see the complexities of everything natural that exists, and I cannot believe that there is not a creator. For me to think that all things evolved, makes no sense to me. The beauty of nature, the sycronization of the sun coming up in the morning, the moon at night, the tides of the ocean, the complexity of each and every living thing, and the order of these things, to me, denotes a master planner. That’s why I believe God is real. I have faith that He is, and did what He said He did, because of what I see.
Do you believe that George Washington existed? Why? Can you prove it? I believe you can only prove it by faith. Just asking.
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Porkys revenge said
Bobby G- I beg to differ, it has been prove you cannot walk on water, that a virgin can’t give birth, plenty of the content of the bible has been disproven. Science is based on EVIDENCE, religion has no evidence whatsoever behind it. Science draws together what we know to develop theories, these are adapted over time but they are not disproven.
Do not play the faith in both ideas card, people that believe evolution to be true do so based on evidence, rationality and reason. Followers of religion do so not only in blind faith with no evidence but contradictory to any reason or rationality.
George Washington exists because there is plenty of evidence he exists. There is no evidence God exists, there is a book written thousands of years ago by humans so therefore there is as much evidence Harry Potter exists.
As for your idea about complexity, I will just quote Douglas Adams
“Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
blueollie said
Of course Bobby G is right: if you can’t disprove it, and “it” is written by The Almighty, it must be true!
Fact: God is God and you have to believe Him no matter how incredulous the story sounds to you (e. g. the color and pattern of livestock’s hair is influenced by the patterns that they see while mating)
and no matter how unpalatable the instruction may be (e. g., kill your kids for talking back, murder people to pay your gambling debts the way that Samson did, kill kids for mocking you the way Elisha did, etc.) Here is the Samson Story:
On this board, we believe in the Bible, period.
Bishop Robert Sponge said
Mr. Revenge,
Evidence “proves” nothing. People are convicted of crimes all the time on the basis of evidence. Some of them are innocent. A conclusion is drawn, of necessity, on the basis of evidence. In some cases the conclusion is still wrong. No matter how much evidence is accumulated to support the conclusion it will still be wrong. The problem is that some things are not “knowable” on the basis of evidence, rationality and reason, no matter how much you want it to be that way. Those things cannot create truth. When it is believed that truth is created by these things the religion of science arises. Its object of worship is a couple pounds of gray matter between someones ears. The processes of that gray matter are fallible, demonstrably so, yet some have an awful lot of faith in it.
bobby g said
Hey P R,
Show me the evidence based upon those who were there to record the begining of the universe. You can believe in carbon dating if you want, but it is based upon pure conjecture. You can believe in evolution if you want, but it was one man’s pipe dream, based upon a theory that survival of the species would cause survival of the fittest. Darwin later recanted his theory as false, but the theory lives on in the faith of his followers. He wasn’t there at the beginning, never claimed to be, and wrote his book as fiction. The only one who claims to be there at the beginning, is God. He says he was there. He said He created this world and universe, and backs it up with the very building blocks that he created. No one can do what He claims He did, except a true creator. You can believe in random chance if you wish, that is your prerogative, but you cannot prove that random chance creates anything. If believing in random chance is rational, and reasonable, then I guess I’ll never be either.
Science has been disproven many times, and will continue to be disproven when it differs from God’s science. Look into the history of science,(human based), and see how many times it has changed. It keeps being changed, according to the culture and belief of the times. God’s Word is timeless when it speaks upon a scientific subject, and yet you continue to dis-believe in truth. That’s ok, that’s your prerogative.
I wish you well in the pursuit of folly, and will pray that your eyes will be opened to the truth that only God can bring about in your life. May you find Him, before death finds you.
In His mercy
Bobby G
Pamela Wallace said
Dear Mr. Bobby G.,
I started as a Christian like you, but when I became educated (something you should do), I realize how silly it is. You have written that the Bible has consistently been proven true and has disproven science. Isn’t that kind of like saying fiction has disproven truth? Oh well, let’s look at some of the Biblical stuff that you claim disproves science.
1. Scientists say clouds occur when heat causes water on the Earth to condense and rise into the atmosphere. The Bible says clouds are the footprints left by God’s feet. Nahum 1:3. Who knew?
2. Scientists say stars are gigantic celestial bodies, many times the size of earth. The Bible says stars are tiny little dots, all of which will fall to the earth when Jesus returns. Revelation 6:13, 12:14. Who knew that the sun and the North Star are just tiny little lights. (giggles)
3. Scientists say it would be impossible to put two or more members of animals species on a single boat and keep them alive for 40 days. The Bible says Noah gathered two or more members of each of the millions of animal species that exist (remember guy you claim evolution is fiction) from all seven continents of the earth in a single day and put them all on a wooden boat with plenty of food (and apparently a bunch porta-potties and ways to keep them from eating each other). Genesis 7:13-14. This is one of my favorites. (giggles galore!)
4. Scientists say lightning is the product of clouds (you know — those footprints of God (haha) colliding and thunder is the sound of the electrical current created. The Bible says thunder is the sound of God’s bellowing voice and lightning is a deadly force he hurls at people he doesn’t like. Job 37:2-3. Who knew?
5. Scientists say goats are striped or spotted because of an unusual pigmentation of their coats. The Bible says that placing striped or spotted tree limbs in goats’ watering troughs causes their babies to be born striped and spotted. Genesis 30-37-39. Who knew we could create striped and spotted animals so easily? I think I’ll open my own pet store (even more giggles).
6. Scientists say the earth is spherical. Yet the Bible says it has four corners, all of which you can see from a high spot. Revelation 7:1; Isaiah 11:12; Luke 4:5; Matthew 4:8; Daniel 4:11). Some billionaire should create a tourist resort on that spot (since it would reach beyond the moon and bring a bunch of loot).
Of course, the contradictions (which you playfully call paradoxes — oh, my — I got a chuckle out of that) make the Bible something that even a reputable children’s author wouldn’t claim as her own. If you’d like, I can quote about a hundred outrageous contradictions in the Bible. I’m speaking of factual contradictions, not paradoxies. (Just as an example, the Bible says God created the animals before he created man. Genesis 1:24-26. No, wait, the Bible says God created man before he created the animals. Genesis 2:18-19. Note that this contradiction appears in just the first two of hundreds of chapters of the Bible. Imagine how ridiculous (religulous) the book as a whole is. It’s like reading an edition of Mad Magazine!
Just so you know, Mr. G, I do find the theory of evolution (proven with extensive evidence of evolutionary changes of virtually every species on earth) just a tad more plausible than the story of a god who put two naked people in Eden, knowing they were going to defy them, then put a snake there that he knew would effectively seduce him, then let the snake convince them to do nothing worse than eating a piece of fruit that might cause them to gain knowledge (which is something we kinda think is a good thing nowadays), then pretended he was shocked (even though he knows everything in advance), then sent them all to a bad place, then cursed women to go through unbearable pain because of something bad the first woman supposedly did, then killed them all because they irritated him, even though he knew all along that would happen, etc., etc., etc.
You’re right, Mr. G.: The Bible is just as credible as science. Actually, the bible would make a really good cult fiction movie, like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Porkys revenge said
So you think we should abandon the criminal justice system, right? Never punish anyone, let murderers walk free. Evidence isn’t always perfect but it’s better than, wild stab in the dark. There is nothing to suggest that God exists so why take that over a researched conclusion reached using evidence and reason.
Don’t be so ridiculous. You get up in the morning and I’d wager you don’t run around the streets naked screamiing “WAAAAAAAAAA”… why? Because of reason, common sense, it keeps life together, you can’t just dismiss it. And as I said were it not for our justice system being based on evidence+rationality then murderers would walk the streets. Science is researched, it’s thought through and as I’ve said it is rarely, if ever, wrong though it adapts and develops over time. How about cures for illness, medicine, that relies on the “grey area” of science. Funny how Jesus could have told people the secret to curing cancer or about running water but chose to turn water into wine instead. Science has done more for us than religion ever has.
Porkys revenge said
Bobby G-
Woaaah wait a minute, “Darwin recanted his theory”???? You Christians really are getting more delusional aren’t you, when was this exactly?
God doesn’t say anything actually, a book written thousands of years ago based on stories people had heard says that. Actually more specifically it says Gods plural created the universe but you Christians choose to ignore that one because it’s not convinient for you.
Science doesn’t change, it adapts, it is not proven wrong, we just discover more specific explantations.
By “unchangeable” you mean “outdated and based on one book written thousands of years ago”, that’s nothing to be proud of. Science comes up with new evidence, discoveries and theories constantly. Whereas religion has offered us nothing for thousands of years and somehow neither God nor Jesus has bothered to pop into the human world and prove their existence since then.
In hope you read Pamela’s post carefully, like science adapts we as humans develop our intelligence and reason and let go of those imaginary friends we had as children. You evidently aren’t there yet but when you grow up a bit and become a bit more intelligent, maybe you can understand.
blueollie said
Ahhh, Dearest Ms. Wallace: I feel sorry that the Devil has such a tight grip on you. The next thing you know you’ll be giving credit to the evil atheistic leaning egg-headed scientists for things like the relatively recent advances in human longevity and decreases in child mortality instead of giving credit to The Almighty.
I’ll leave you with a bit of Republican Christian Truth:
We serve The Almighty.
The rest of you serve Old Scratch.
Pamela Wallace said
You’re right. I forgot that when wonderful things happen in this world, all the credit goes to God. When anything bad happens, it’s the fault of we worthless, undeserving beings. Thanks for reminding me.
Oh, also, thank you for sending a videotape of Pat Robertson. He’s that great guy who agreed with Jerry Falwell that God let planes smash into the World Trade Center and cause the deaths of thousands and the lives of many more to be shattered because America tolerates feminists and homosexuals.
What a wonderful religion you people have.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Pamela,
Please don’t be influenced by Bobby G. I have been saying for months that his efforts to witness like some snake oil salesman, trying to sell our faith as something it is not, was destined to backfire. This time, he claimed our religion is completely consistent with science, which even the most devout Christian wouldn’t claim. And his efforts backfired, as your original post demonstrates. I knew this would happen. Granted, you seem so wholly controlled by Satan that I really can’t blame your skepticism on Bobby G. But his lies and deception certainly don’t help our cause.
Please don’t think we’re all like him. If you’re looking for a belief structure that is consistent with so-called “science” or philosophical principles of “rational thought,” you won’t find it in Christianity. But if you’re looking for inner peace, happiness and a direction for your life, Jesus is the answer. Those of us who have turned our lives over to Christ know that He is the Lord because of the profound change He has made in our lives. This cannot be communicated with words, and it certainly cannot be defended with “evidence.” But the effect is very real nonetheless.
Furthermore, faith in God ensures eternity in bliss. A commitment to science and “reason” ensures an eternity in hell. Even the possibility that these two statements are true should motivate you to become a Christian. Frankly, I don’t know why anyone has difficulty with the choice.
Tiffany
Evangelion 01 said
Ok ya know what how about if you don’t like what Tiffany Wellsley sayed than you just leave because if you try to swear at
her or try to insult her the mods will just cencor it.
I personally don’t agree with what she sayed but ya know what
I know that only a handfull of very, VERY desperate people will buy into this stuff.
So if you don’t like it too bad. Shes the one holding all the cards.
Also anonymous is an evil group of hackers and crimanals and must be defeated. “the pool is closed” emember.
Evangelion 01 said
to you types attacking christianity, what are you doing?
Don’t bace your oppinion of christians off of this one extreamist.
That’s like saying all muslims are terrorists because of 9/11.
All I ask is that you people use your heads abit.
Evangelion 01 said
to Porkys revenge.
christianity gives people hope.
It gives people the hope that there is something more that this floating rock and a thing we call “life”. Whats so great about this “life”? it’s painfull more than it’s happy. Most the happyness is usually followed by pain. People who do things that we consiter bad can easly cheat the system and get away with crimes like murder and rape. what’s so good about it?
Even if mr. scientist makes a cure for cancer what does that mean? It means your to stuck on this rock even longer.
At least with Christianity you have the hope that this is only a testing ground and that the real party starts in heaven.
Lets see science create that!
Tiff it’s geting really hard to defend you hun.
blueollie said
“Ok ya know what how about if you don’t like what Tiffany Wellsley sayed than you just leave because if you try to swear at
her or try to insult her the mods will just cencor it.
I personally don’t agree with what she sayed but ya know what
I know that only a handfull of very, VERY desperate people will buy into this stuff.
So if you don’t like it too bad. Shes the one holding all the cards.
Also anonymous is an evil group of hackers and crimanals and must be defeated. “the pool is closed” emember.”
etc.
I say again, only Sister June is allowed to post while drunk.
Please respect this board enough to be sober when you type something; the above (and the next two posts) are complete gibberish.
Tiffany Wellsley said
[False] Evangelion 01,
You wrote: “Tiff it’s geting [sic] really hard to defend you hun [sic].”
First, you haven’t defended me in any of your posts. You’ve consistently attacked me, you hypocritical buffoon. Second, I’m not your “hun.” I’d appreciate you saving your sexual harassment for your co-worker who helps you scrub the office toilets. Third, I’d prefer no defense from you at all, since you have the mentality of a maggot (and the education and writing skills of a five-year-old).
Consider this nonsense from your three successive posts: “sayed” (the word is “said,” unless you live in the Ozarks and have one tooth), “cencor” (the word is “censor,” you inbred hick), “handfull” (the word is “handful,” you brainless wonder), “crimanals” (the word is “criminals,” as you should know since, undoubtedly, half your family falls into that category), “bace” (the word is “base,” as any six-year-old knows), “extreamist” (the word is “extremist,” as someone capable of clicking “dictionary.com” would learn), “abit” (“a bit” is two words, idiot), “painfull” (the fact that you can’t spell the word is “painful”), “happyness” (unless you’re speaking of one of Will Smith’s mediocre performances, the word is “happiness”), “consiter” (you must be kidding — you don’t know the word is “consider”? — you should be euthanized), “easly” (the word is “easily,” you amoeba), “your” (the contraction for “you are” is “you’re,” you child of parents who should have used birth control).
You are, without question, the most illiterate idiot who has yet posted on this board. You give all Christians a bad name. Atheists stereotype us as a bunch of ignorant fools. We fight that stereotype every day. Then, someone like you comes along and suggests the stereotype is true. Please — I implore you — do Christians and the Lord a favor and never post on a message board again as long as you live. Your posting does more to hurt our cause than anything anyone could say.
Go away, retard!
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
BlueOllie, you video links to a parody from the exact same guy of the video I tried to post, that was deleted. The man in the video is an atheist, but tries to parody elements of fundamental Christianity in order to demonstrate how illogical the argumenets are – in one video he very accurate represents the circular logic of the ‘God wrote the bible, so it is divine…it says so in the bible’ (though I don’t know if that is what you guys see it as), a lot of his videos try to encompass the sort of speculation made by Christians and the general abnoxiousness of some of them. He pulls out some of the awful parts of the bible, and in the video that I posted and was removed, he highlighted biblical contradictions and represents how some Christians try to do both ‘loving’ and ‘vengeful’ god, he always pulled out a few teachings from the old testament Christians don’t practice.
If you liked Ed Current’s video, I suggest checking out the videos for ‘An atheist meets God’ and ‘A Christian meets the Pink Unicorn’, the Pin Unicorn may sound rediculous, but I suppose it was the best way for Ed to use the same sort of storyboard as the other video. The atheist meets God is essentially what happens when an atheist dies and it turns out that Christians were right. And the Pink Unicorn one of course is the reversal, where a Christian dies and finds that he is wrong.
Both are trying to be funny and mock, but at the same time try to be serious about the issues of Christianity and atheism.
BobbyG,
I think you misunderstand some things on the side of science or the world. I don’t normally feel the need to correct you, because I don’t normally see there being an issue or science vs religion, or liberal vs democrat or even religion vs atheism, but the general hatred, strife and nastiness of the blog, which is perhaps offensive to people of groups, but maybe it’ll help your understanding (and anybody elses) from the ‘other’ side. I’d like to post a video called ‘How to annoy an atheist’, which I think covers the common misconceptions made by religious people trying to understand the other argument, yet viewing from a religious perspective. To correct the first one; Darwin never recounted his life work.
—”The Bible, has never been dis-proven. Where it talks about science, it is true. When it comes to science, man has changed his mind many times, yet the bible remains constant in that area. When it comes to creation, God said that He created the world. Now I understand, that you have to believe that God is real to believe what He says, but He claims to have been there, and evolutionsists and geologists, as well as other scientists, can only theorize upon the subject. You may say that the Bible is full of contradictions, I think it is full of paradoxes,(two ideas that are opposite, but are both truths). Actually, tho, I accept the bible and it’s teachings, as God’s Word, by faith. I trust that He is who He says He is, and so I believe the Bible.”—
It has not been proven either. Where it talks about science, it isn’t always true. Science suggest nothing of the world being created in 7 days a few thousands years ago but suggests that the universe is a whole lot older than that. The bible says nothing about the dinosaurs, science does. Jesus’ miracles have not be proven to be possible either – in the wine thing, how would have the water molecules mixed or transform into the various molecules that make up wine? It’d tie back to magic/powers, which sciences has no proof nor anything to suggest that any powers could exist in this world.
Science tries to use what we have in the world to learn what we can about it. Because the world IS so complex, it takes a long time for development to understand the world. Just because religion tries to have all of the answers doesn’t make them any more true. Science is always willing to accept criticism on an intelligent level and a case is always argued, but the world isn’t so black and white and mistakes can be made, but a lot of the scientific research has provided some of the great technology we have today based on certain ideas or theories. Eintstein has mad quite a big contribution for example. (Nuclear technology, also GPS and sattilettes I believe can owe themselves to the man…he also had the theory of blacks holes, which seem to exist)
As for scientists ‘only’ having theories. The problem with that statement is that it is another common error, yes they are theories, but there are many ways of defining ‘theories’, the one Christians often use is a vague one. People often refer to ‘Evolution’ as theory, there is proof that Evolution exists, the whole ‘man goes from apes’ is a part of the ‘theory of Natural selection’, which is not a simple link or guess, but something with a lot of research and evidence, but nothing to confirm it, thus it remains a theory. So while science isn’t definite in terms of ‘theory’ (as theories aren’t supposed to be) but they aren’t simply speculations of things that cannot lead to answers or hold value to the answer.
As for biblical contradictions, the issue is perception, but there really is no way to have both as truths…I mean: “Go on kill your child for sin or being disobedient” or “hate people and be vengeful then, “Love one and another, be peaceful and only sinners kill people, hate or have strife”, this is a part of the issue, you’re on the love side and they’re on the hate side, we can’t actually have a biblical intrepretation where the two are actually possible…perhaps if you and BlueOllie ran into each other and combined?
—”Faith is a funny thing. Everyone has it. Evolutionists have faith in the theory of Darwin. Scientists have faith in their understanding of their view of the creation of this earth. The christian has faith in God’s view. It all depends upon your world view, as to what you have faith in. So having said all of that, I will tell you why I believe that God is real.”—-
Faith is something that I do not have a problem with and some atheists find that confusing, but Faith is believing in something without reason but only in belief. There is no evidence for God, there are arguments. Though I can’t have faith in God, I can understand where faith comes from, I had it as a kid, and there are somethings I ‘just believe’ and that is faith. Faith in a higher-power is certain something is raise and eyebrow at and question it (I question my beliefs all of the time), but science, evolution etc. aren’t faith. Evolution is real, ‘the theory of natural selection’ is quite likely real, because of its supporting evidence and its that evidence that means people believe it or defend it, then it holds enough not to be ‘faith’. The point of science is that so things can be measured and tested in the real world, you could say that it is the opposite of faith.
—”I look around in nature and I see the complexities of everything natural that exists, and I cannot believe that there is not a creator. For me to think that all things evolved, makes no sense to me. The beauty of nature, the sycronization of the sun coming up in the morning, the moon at night, the tides of the ocean, the complexity of each and every living thing, and the order of these things, to me, denotes a master planner. That’s why I believe God is real. I have faith that He is, and did what He said He did, because of what I see.”—
You argue from the view of design, the teleological argument…I’d argue that one out, but I have argued that one too often and would rather not…if you want I could direct you to an already written argument ‘against’ design? Also, I think you’ll need to learn more about evolution and science, unfortunately lower levels in sciences are needed before you can fully understand evolution and natural selection. Perhaps this is why people are so open to criticise it, as it doesn’t answers itself so neatly or concisely, but is much more complex. Certain Christians (or even Muslims) trying to refer to evolution and other science can sometimes be laughable (because it happens a lot) as they try to pick holes in something they don’t fully understand…when it is spoken in a church or somebody outspoken says something that people can be influenced by will use, that somebody religious can answer…even if wrong, if you mix that with arrogance too, then something is easily left misreprented.
—”Do you believe that George Washington existed? Why? Can you prove it? I believe you can only prove it by faith. Just asking.”—
Saying Jack the Ripper WAS the Prince of Wales and believing that is taking faith, saying Jack the Ripper killed people would be using the sources are your disposal as a historian – no strong sources suggest, no other sources to back it up. Though history can be unreliable and histories takes this into account, some history books, like Herodotus can seem absurd and it’s not just looking and old books as evidence eithers. History uses a lot of evidence and some of it can be very strong. The bible has essentially nothing to support it. Storytelling culture too always has to be considered, we now very litle of King Gilgamesh because the story changed so much before it was written down. The are some social, religious and political factors you can gather from his writing…but not facts. I often view the bible in a similar way.
Evangelion 01 said
ok… I didn’t insult you. I tryed to talk to you like a normal human being and yet you feel like you should insult me?
Are you a troll? do you even know what a troll is?
Do you have brain damage or are you just the production of satan manifesting itself on the internet?
Why is it so hard for you to have a normal convesation with anyone other than people that you think are worthy?
Evangelion 01 said
you don’t know the first thing about the intrnet do ya hun? Let me teach ya.
Rule number 1:
When trying to insult someone never insult their grammer or spelling cus that means you’ve run out of any logical options.
Rule number 2:
When on a fourm and surrounded by people who think your a lunatic you should never insult the ONE person with any sence at all that isn’t thrying to start a flame war with ya.
Rule number 3:
People over the age of 50 shouldn’t be on the intermnet. (Your living proof of why not.)
Also i’m one of the only christian non-catholics that has desideing to dignify this garbage with a response.
So you should have tryed to gain an ally in me but insted you have gained a powerful enemy. Your rasist non christian garbage will be punished. I have taken on tougher then you hun and makeing peoples lifes a liveing heck useing the internet is a personal enjoyment of mine.
Also if you can be raceist I can be sexist. So why don’t you get off of the internet get you back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Leave the thinking to the men.
Evangelion 01 said
and you people wonder why the rest of the world dosn’t like amarica?
Phil said
How much must I curse your name
And put your beliefs to shame
Before you prove yourself
And end this life?
End this life
[My goodness! Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.]
And I’ll say a [obscenity deleted] prayer
Because I know it won’t be answered
[With an attitude like yours, are you surprised?]
Where is your god?
[He's dwelling in heaven, where He's always been. (It's a place you'll never see.)]
Where is your [obscenity deleted] god?
[Do you have Tourette Syndrome? You need ask your questions only once on this board.]
And even though I don’t believe in you
I pray for the day
That you end this life
[Why exactly do you pray to someone you don't believe exists? I think you have mental problems far too complex for the people of this board to tackle.]
So please
Take me
Away
I want the hand of god
To come and strike me down
[Just in case God is busy, I'm sure there are many here who would be more than happy to serve as His proxy. How does next Tuesday sound?]
Where is your god?
Where is your [obscenity deleted] god?
[You've asked that now four times. Your questions are getting tiresome.]
For all the prayers that go unanswered
Why do you think that is?
[Perhaps cursing the Lord and claiming He doesn't exist might have a tad to do with it.]
For the families that waste their time
Open your eyes
And all your prayers will go
Unanswered
Why do you think that is?
[If you continue to post repetitive questions, your posts will be subject to deletion. Some of us have shopping to do.]
For the families that waste their time
Open your [obscenity deleted] eyes
[You said that already.]
Suitable lyrics in response to all of the nonsense I have read on this subject. Agreed?
[This drivel would not be suitable for a pre-K poetry writing assignment. I suggest you find another calling.]
blueollie said
From your writing it appears that you are either high, drunk, or incredibly stupid.
No: poor grammar (it is spelled with an “a”) means that you are either too ignorant to be worth listening to or too lazy to respect the board. I strongly suspect the former.
What is “sence”? How is this for a “rule”: losers who have zero accomplishments in life shouldn’t be going around making rules?
So, how is living in mommy and daddy’s basement working out for you? Do yourself a favor and stick to walking around in flip-flops while screaming in your cell phone.
This isn’t the “kewl-kids” club nor are we your doting helicopter parents. We aren’t going to give you a gold star for just showing up and “being you”.
“powerful enemy?” BWWWAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA “insted”???? Powerful enemy? Powerful with respect to what: video games?
Learn to spell, idiot. Clearly you haven’t the brains to successfully pick your own nose, much less do anything else.
Go away and play with the other kids.
blueollie said
Re: 432:
Ha ha ha ha! Do you expect me to believe that?
The next thing you know, you’ll be saying that Colbert is also a parody. We have debunked that claim.
I am Conservative Republican Christianity, and So Can You!
Tiffany Wellsley said
(False) Evangelion (whatever the heck that is),
We couldn’t care less what foreign trash thinks about “amarica.” I don’t even know where that is.
We also couldn’t care less what they think about God’s country, “America.”
What I find most humorous is that people speak of the socialist systems of education as though they are productive. You are proof that they are a miserable failure.
Tiffany
Evangelion 01 said
Amarica isn’t gods country. It says right in the bible isrial is.
[UnChristian nonsense deleted.]
[Moderator's note: While I got a chuckle out of your spelling of both "America" and "Israel," I don't care for the dozen or so nasty, obscene posts you left that had to be deleted. If you continue with this practice, you will be permanently barred from posting here. That is not an act we take lightly, but you have clearly abused the privilege of posting here.]
TheOriginalAnon said
BlueOllie, you do not believe that Ed Current’s youtube videos aren’t a parody? Well, perhaps I should get some evidence for you.
Read his youtube profile page:
http://www.youtube.com/user/EdwardCurrent
To save clicking on the link, here’s a quote the man himself:
“My religion videos are comedies. I am not a Christian.”
The man is making a joke of Christianity with those videos, the fact you’ve taken them seriously is worrying.
Maybe you should watch all of his videos and listen to it as a parody and with any luck, the points in parody he tries to illustrate may sink in.
TheOriginalAnon said
Apologies, a few sentences were poorly written. (I hope I can be excused without criticism) So I hope the context should make it clear.
blueollie said
TheOriginalAnon: obviously, this righteous Christian’s website (channel, etc.) have been hacked by evil atheists.
Did you know that Mr. Current created the PrayerMax 5000 amplifier?
DeViAnCe said
Sad, aberrant and arrogant publishing…
I’m proudly mexican… even I that i’m non-believer can’t wish you the same thing you wish for those who has nothing to do with your beliefs.
If god is love… and is angry, Cthulhu thinks you taste like chicken…
Tiffany Wellsley said
DeViAnCe (whatever that means),
I have no idea whether you are a Christian, a Catholic or a Satanist (pardon the redundancy between those last two). The complete incoherence of your post reflects either abject illiteracy or speaking in tongues. If the latter is the case, please leave your post again when you are not filled with the Holy Spirit. If the latter is the case (meaning you’re a Catholic), please don’t ever come back.
Tiffany
DeViAnCe said
It is because you don’t see beyond your eyes.. shamefull
Sky said
To deny God is the only way to save the world.
Having faith means not wanting to know the truth.
ALB said
Completely hilarious. Keep up the good work.
ichiro said
Well i see tha you’re a religious fan so sad and so pathetic that i fell sorry for you
I’m a very proud mexican and Jesus says hello to you.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CnqS59TnbRE/Sd-VItjsvXI/AAAAAAAABOQ/FXNZu-ijVZM/s400/1christ-middle-finger.jpg
Greetings my friend
Atheist with respect said
Aren’t ” Good Christians ” supposed to love thy neighbor? Does ” Jesus ” and ” God ” not love all? I mean come on guys, all of this racism, finger pointing, disrespect and quite frankly Childish behavior is just deplorable. Everyone on this board needs to grow up a bit and learn to have respectful conversations with each other weather you are Christian, Catholic, Hindu, Atheist, Agnostic, Jainist, Theist, Universalist, what ever the case. I personally am Atheist but just because I am does not mean I have to Bash every single religion under the sun. And, just because you’re Christian does not mean you have to bash Catholics and Atheists and what ever. Come on, let’s grow up and behave like adults even if legally some of us are not. There is No point whatsoever to be having flame wars and bashing contests especially on the internet thru a screen. So come on, let’s clean up our mouths and respect each other, eh?
blueollie said
Sister Tiffany, it is with restraint that I must admonish you for forgetting two possibilities:
1. the poster could be drunk or stoned or
2. this poster might really be Sister June, who is, well, perpetually stoned or drunk?
TheOriginalAnon said
I don’t know whether or not to take you seriously on that BlueOllie, Edward Current also says that making love doesn’t give you children, because it is a disgusting act, but rather the stork comes along and gives someone a virgin birth, he tries to pull out a bible quote too to support it. If you think he’s not mocking Christians and that somebody has hacked his channel to say that he’s not a Christian, then you’re either trying to make stuff up to avoid making it look like you were fooled, or are simply deluded by your own lies, hopes and dreams.
Also view his ‘I’ve converted to every religion just in case’ video too.
Also…please, tell me why the moderator removed the video of Edward Current and gave me a warning for posting ‘libtard propaganda’? (It was the ‘I hate Phony Christians’ video)
mikeluppo said
caution with the [obscenity deleted].
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
You’re right, of course. It is certainly possible that “DeViAnCe” was simply filled with spirits, none of them holy.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Re: 452: you are the one that is sad and deluded. That’s ok. After all, if there were no people that were dammed for all eternity, then whose torments would we (Conservative Christian Republicans) get to enjoy?
As to the substance of your point: I have trouble distinguishing Ed Current’s videos with Ray Comfort’s and I know that the latter is authentic.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
Curiosity drove me to read Post 452 after reading your post. Post 452 is by Anon. Months ago, Anon swore he would never come back to this board. He then continued to leave posts. When called on the carpet for this and called a viscious liar (I don’t remember who called him this but I assume it was I), he wrote in a subsequent post that he was leaving his last post ever, and that if he ever left another one, we would be justiifed in calling him a disreputable liar. I notice he has left countless posts over the last few days alone.
As it turns out, atheists are every bit as dishonest as their reputation suggests. But what is more accurate is how sad and worthless their lives apparently are, since they have nothing better to do than to attack True Christians on their message boards. If my life ever becomes so boring and meaningless that I feel compelled to invade an atheist message board, I don’t know that I could go on.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Well, Sister Tiffany, I’ll make a confession. There are times of doubt and meaning in my life. But seeking approval from Him (and ok, from you…I know it is sinful but I do have a mini-crush…yes, I have talked this over with my Christian Pastor), well, it gives me the strength to go on.
As far as our dear troll Anon: it seems as if he is attracted to this board in much the same way that a moth is attracted to a light bulb (and not one of those sissy “energy saver” bulbs either). Eventually, he’ll get too close to the light and POOF!!!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
I’m very flattered. As for Anon, I agree that his obsession with this site is rather sick and pathetic. I think the moth analogy is apropos, though I can see Anon being attracted either to butch or sissy “bulbs.”
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
My obsession with this place is that not only do you provide me with great research, but a level of entertainment, particularly as BlueOllie insists that Edward Current is not a parody of a Christian, furthermore, he suggests that his profile was hacked to say that he wasn’t a Christian. I have tried to make you see how senseless you guys are. I went back on my word, but I decided I hadn’t finished, because when I returned to check if things had changed, but it hadn’t, heck I felt Blank provided a decent bible quote, which yet hasn’t been refuted, all Tiff did was provide a set of old testament quotes and a quote to say that she should get involved with sinners/disbelievers…but said nothing of why those parts of the bible exist or that ‘actual’ context of them, as far as I am concerned, you’re all sinners just as much as I am, because of your hate and strife you’re just going to end just the same as I am. Yet for me it’s not going to be as paiful, because I won’t have dedicated my life to that God and sought living my life to get into the Kingdom of God.
Instead of repenting that, you excuse yourselves, which is being dishonest with the bible itself. Does that make you any worse than me? I who went against my word and came back here?
Oh, but now because I was dishonest once, my word is not at all trustworthy?
But whatever, BlueOllie calls me deluded, he’s fooling himself into believing Edward Current as a Christian who is not doing what he does as comedy, and ignoring the evidence before him, just to support that delusion. Typical, but I suppose it’s because I’m an atheist that BlueOllie won’t listen. Fine, don’t listen to me, listen to your moderator, who removed my Edward Current link and warned me for posting it and called it ‘Libtard Propaganda’.
But I’ll see you all in hell with me, before I would have said ‘I welcome you and will not make the experience worse for you’, but given some of your standards, I think you deserve it, I mean, hell is the place for hate and strife after-all.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blah, blah, blah.
blueollie said
459: Sir, you are more deluded than you can possibly know.
Really, if you are so sure that we are wrong, why do you care that we
thinkknow that you are destined for eternal damnation whereas we have Special Rooms reserved in His Heavenly Mansion?You are acting as if your feelings are hurt. That is so sad and, well, pathetic.
TheOriginalAnon said
You amuse me Tiff, really, you do, you can ignore the truth all you like, but you’re going to hell like the rest of us. Heaven will only have the elite and neither of us are apart of that elite. I refuse to submit to a tyrant and you refuse to listen to his son’s word and that’s what’ll keep us from going to heaven.
TheOriginalAnon said
464: Special rooms with padded walls and straightjackets.
Federico Rojas said
The good thing is… the swine flu is now being controlled.
And not by god. By humans. And clearly not by humans like Tiffanny or many others in this thread, but by humans that love life, and that care for other humans. Good luck in your heaven, I rather live at fullest my -only- life.
Federico Rojas said
Oh, and by the way, Tiffany, “America” is not a country. It is, in fact, a WHOLE continent. I also pressume you think “Africa” is a country, right?
The fact that you people don´t even have a name for your country makes this argument more risible. There are, as a matter of fact, TWO “United States of America”, being Mexico the other one (OUCH!), whose official name is “United States of Mexico” and being located in the contient of America, makes it another “United States of America”.
Your country has a very generic name. In it´s time, Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela were United States of Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela respectively. Then they changed their name. The same thing that your country should do to “Hateland” or something creative, I don´t know, don´t care either.
Warrior Jodie said
To the wetback who posted before I did – What a load of BS! America is very much a COUNTRY unlike that septic tank full of refried beans and tequilla you live in.
You got your damn nerve talking to a God fearing AMERICAN lady like that. Don’t you have some oranges to pick?
James S said
What makes America ‘God’s country’ exactly? I mean, no Biblical event I can think of is set specifically there. Judging from this messageboard’s ‘moderation’, it can’t be freedom of speech. I can only assume from Tiffany’s disgusting opinions that she means a racial superiority. Considering what some of the scum in this messageboard believe about swine flu, it’s certainly not a moral one. It does beg the question, ‘ever looked at a map’? I hope that no one really thinks that ANY major Biblical figure would have been White?
blueollie said
Re: 463: Special rooms with padded walls and straightjackets.
Well, you can’t count (you said “464″) but that remark is clever.
Too bad you won’t get to spend eternity with The Almighty, Sister Tiffany, Prophetess Debbie and Sister June.
blueollie said
Re: 465: “I don´t know, don´t care either.”
Then why are you here?
Tu eres muy stupido. Cállate el hocico!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Jodie,
What a pleasure it is to finally meet you, even if it is in cyberspace! I can tell from your posts that you are a smart lady with conservative values. Thanks for putting Cheech in his place.
The very idea he would imply that the toxic wasteland south of the border is a better place than America is offensive! If his belief were true, why do we have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on dogs, fences, guns and brass knuckles to keep those people away from our borders? Frankly, we could save a lot of money and accomplish much more if we just dumped tons of gasoline or some other flammable liquid into the Rio Grande and lit it up every few hours. I’ll bet that would deter those delictivos and their amigos from trying to steal their way into our great land. Or we could just napalm the border areas every day or so. What was good enough for the yellows is good enough for the brownies.
I’m sorry if my comments sound a bit harsh, but frankly, I’m fed up. With the economy in such bad shape, I see no reason to put up with those people’s whiny, disagreeable ways any more. I can now hire two or three robust, complacent Negro specimens to do the work it formerly took 10 illegals to do. Frankly, given how horrible the economy is, I suspect we can find enough coloreds and white trash to work the fruit fields so that we don’t even need the greasers any more. That should end the immigration debate once and for all.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
Quote:
“Too bad you won’t get to spend eternity with The Almighty, Sister Tiffany, Prophetess Debbie and Sister June.”
Well, you seem to sell the idea of going to heaven very well.
I have said my reasons for why heaven doesn’t work for me before. Your lord is too much of a tyrant and I’d rather be straight with myself and try to be good to my fellow people, than submit my life to the way of your Lord, who’d ask terrible things of me.
But then, even you’re not going to heaven.
Warrior Jodie said
Dear Tiffany,
It is SO nice meeting you to hon! Good Lord KNOWS in this day and age we CHRISTIANS and CONSERVATIVES can not do enough to keep this country safe. We have a colored president running around the whole world shaking hands with every blame MUSLIM EXTREMISTS he can while the damn spics take over our schools and RUIN the sanctity of marriage! Nothing you said is harsh hon. In fact I would be the first to pull a lighter from my purse and hand it to border patrol! LOL!
Then I’d stand there and pass out marshmallows and coathangers!
God bless YOU darlin!
Jo-Jo
Federico Rojas said
Re: 469: ¨Then why are you here?¨
You clearly read what you wanted to read OR you did not understand what I wrote. I don´t know or I don´t care IF YOU rename your country. I only thought that you SHOULD rename it.
I didn´t imply either that Mexico was a better (or worse, in this case) country. This is not ANY PART of my point here.
Sheesh, it is truly difficult to people with shutted ears to hear. Or in this case, shutted eyes to see.
bobby g said
Anon,
I’m not trying to argue, but I’m confused about the science vs the creation issue, and where the Bible touches upon scientific fact. In Isaiah 40:18-26, in context, the earth is refered to as a circle. There is a lot of metaphoric speech in those verses as well, but one fact remains, the earth is spherical. As for the 7 day creation, there is one of those faith issues. I wasn’t there, so I don’t have all of the facts, but God said that He created the universe in 7 days. If you believe He exists, and that He is truly God, and cannot lie, then you must believe what He says. I do.
I also believe that the Bible is full of metaphoric speech, when it describes things, such as the “four corners of the earth”, which was pointed out as a non-scientific statement, in a post against what I said. I never said that the Bible is literal in everything that it said, it isn’t. I just said that where it touches upon science, it is truthful, regardless of the scientific belief of the times, earth flat, etc… (see rebuttal it post 451), as it pertains to metaphoric speech.
As for nothing to support the Bible, I believe that you may need to read up on archeology, not just from a secular standpoint, but also from a biblical standpoint, and with an open mind. There are rivers and mountains refered to in the Bible, that exist, or existed in biblical times, from both secular and biblical archeological study. There are mentioned phrases from kings that talk about Abraham, and others from the biblical era, by writings from kings that we know to have existed. Josephus, a Jewish historian talks about Jesus as a fact of history. Foxes book of Martyrs, speaks of Jesus and His followers,(christians), as a belief that turned the world upside down. The attack of Tiberius upon Jerusalem, and the total destruction of that city, and the Temple, are bona-fide facts of history. There is much more to support the Bible, and the people who lived during those times, but I know it would take up a lot of space, and may be regarded as the rantings of a fanatic, so I leave you with these things.
Faith is a powerful tool in the belief of anything. It brings out the best and the worst in all of us, when it pertains to our own convictions. I have been ridiculed by the “christians” on this site, as well as the “non-believers.” The bible says that, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” What we cannot see, what is not tangable to the eye, touch, taste, or understanding, we have faith in. If we were not there, or are not aware of everything about a subject, we have to have faith in the truthfulness of the one telling us about it. I could tell you about my parents, things they did, things I have done, and the only way that you can believe that I am telling the truth, is to have faith in what I say. You know nothing about me, I know nothing about you, and yet I believe that you are a well studied individual, and an atheist by choice, and I accept that by faith in what you have said. The same for George Washington, we were not there when he lived. We accept by faith that he existed because of the books written about him, the fact that there is a gravestone with his name on it, tho we don’t know that his bones are in there, and the fact that he is in the annuls of the Presidents. And by the way, he believed in God and creation, as many of the founders did, (this I accept by faith), because of some of their writings.
As for evolution, I have no faith in it, because it denies that there is a creator, and thus denies the existance of God. It is man trying to explain who we are, what we are doing here, and where we are going, without the guidance of a creator. If that’s what you want to put your faith in, and it is faith, so be it. I choose the other side. I choose a creator, because it makes better sense to me that we are here by design, rather than happenstance. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not here to convert you, just give my testimony, conversion is God’s business, I just sow seed.
Of course I will be ostricized by Tiffany and her constituants, I accept that as an inevitability. I may be thought of as a lunatic, or fanatic, by those who don’t believe in God, I accept that. It doesn’t matter what people think of me, it only matters what God thinks of me, and that’s where I live.
Thanks
Bobby G
Louis said
“James S said
May 10, 2009 at 5:21 pm
What makes America ‘God’s country’ exactly? I mean, no Biblical event I can think of is set specifically there. Judging from this messageboard’s ‘moderation’, it can’t be freedom of speech. I can only assume from Tiffany’s disgusting.”
C’mon James. the angel Moron appeared to Joseph Smith and told him to make up mormonism In New York. So he made up a religion just like man has made up all the others.
TheOriginalAnon said
BobbyG,
There are definitely some historical things we can get from the bible, I won’t deny that, as we do with Gilgamesh or any ancient story/set of stories, because a lot of ancient storytelling (from a secular standpoint) is based on something but the storyteller uses his/her techniques to make the story interesting and stories change as they’re passed on, they can contain a few metaphors or whatever. But I’d not take that to supporting the bible as a work of ‘facts’, given we’d have to do that with any other ancient text.
You’re right that I know nothing about you and I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions you have about science and how things in science and ‘faith’ are different, simply because we are able to gather sources of evidence to support it…God of course we don’t have any evidence and that’s why people are able to have ‘faith’ in him, trying to ‘prove’ his existence would avoid the point, but there’s no way I could just give blind faith and I see a lot of flaws in God and the bible as a result, though I won’t go into depth with them here. You say I am a atheist by choice, I think it’s more I just am one, in the way you’ve not chosen to be a Christian, but it’s what is most logical in your perception of the world and your reading of the bible is enough for you to have faith. So you could say it’s something you don’t decide, but I suppose I’m getting pedantic on your choice of words.
Faith and believe in God is not something I have an issue with and I will not criticism anybody for it, even creationists, science and creationism are different things, I will argue that(especially as some creationists want it taught as a part of science, rather than religion), but I think it’s perfectly fine as long as you hold no strife, no hate or hurt nobody because of your religion.
blueollie said
Re: 473:
Federico Rojas said
Re: 477
Wow. Just wow. A little bit less faith in humanity. We sure are doomed.
Ok! I will go away and stick to spanish language boards! Just because you say so! All right! Here I go! look at me…going!
James S said
I love that the majority of the religious fanatics’ comebacks essentially boil down to:
‘Yeah…well…you can’t spell’.
Not everyone can. Not knowing how to spell doesn’t make you a bad person. English might be a second language to many of the people on what is, after all, a messageboard involving a topic of varying cultures. You would think that these people actually having made an effort to learn English (one of the world’s hardest languages to learn) would sit well with American nationalists. I’m sure they’re using far better English than your Spanish.
‘“Shutted”??? Oh dear. Please go away and stick to Spanish language boards.’
You know what Federico Rojas means; stop being a fastidious moron.
Federico Rojas said
Did you know?
Porkys revenge said
Evangelion01- Science doesn’t give hope?
How about the hope of curing cancer? Of preventing cot deaths? Of restoring people’s sight or hearing or mobility? Of recognising the signs of natural disasters and limiting the damage done?
Science gives us plenty of hope and more importantly it gives us answers. Religion doesn’t give you the answers, it just stops you asking questions.
Religion hasn’t managed to cure a single disease, or stop the horrific natural disasters that kill thousands. In fact supposedly your God has all the power but sits back and watches these things happen.
If your religious life is sad, painful and unfufilling maybe you should rethink your religion. I am happy and fufilled in my atheist life and I have plenty of hope and optimism, but thanks for proving I’m better off while your religion is making you miserable.
I think Tiffanys getting easier to defend, she disagrees with Bobby G and recognises that science and religion don’t go together and those are two viewpoints I can agree with.
Although Tiff I do love the “Atheists stereotype us as a bunch of ignorant fools. We fight that stereotype every day” seriously??You’re trying to DISPROVE that idea?? By posting ignorant racist nonsense? You’ve really failed spectacularly.
I have a theory Tiff is an Atheist posting this to showw ignorant fundamentalist idiots up, surely no one can actually be this ignorant and this pessimistic about their own religion?
What does everyone else think?
MODERATOR NOTE: I think YOU are about the stupidest person I have seen on here since I got back. Tiffany is a LADIE and A CHRISTIAN so don’t even THINK about starting your mess up in here Mister.
Ben Dover said
Warrior Jodie- LOL!!!!More proof you people are imbeciles, read the [blasphemous obscenity deleted] post woman, it’s a C-O-N-T-I-N-E-N-T go look it up in a dictionary and then look up the word imbecile, might even be a picture of you alongside it.
Dear Why don’t you BEND OVER AND GRAB YOUR ANKLES,
I can see REAL CLEAR by your email address that you are one of them rotten-toothed, brain dead Europeans so how the HELL do you know anything about AMERICA THE COUNTRY you jack ass? All you people know is kissing the queens butt and hiding behind OUR military when the AXIS of EVIL is chasing us!
I aim to pray for the next time I take a dump instead of reading Readers Digest!
XXOO but ONLY in JESUS NAME,
Jo-Jo
Revenge of Perky said
Evangelion01- Science doesn’t give hope?
How about the hope of curing cancer? Of preventing cot deaths? Of restoring people’s sight or hearing or mobility? Of recognising the signs of natural disasters and limiting the damage done?
Science gives us plenty of hope and more importantly it gives us answers. Religion doesn’t give you the answers, it just stops you asking questions.
Religion hasn’t managed to cure a single disease, or stop the horrific natural disasters that kill thousands. In fact supposedly your God has all the power but sits back and watches these things happen.
If your religious life is sad, painful and unfufilling maybe you should rethink your religion. I am happy and fufilled in my atheist life and I have plenty of hope and optimism, but thanks for proving I’m better off while your religion is making you miserable.
I think Tiffanys getting easier to defend, she disagrees with Bobby G and recognises that science and religion don’t go together and those are two viewpoints I can agree with.
Although Tiff I do love the “Atheists stereotype us as a bunch of ignorant fools. We fight that stereotype every day” seriously??You’re trying to DISPROVE that idea?? By posting ignorant racist nonsense? You’ve really failed spectacularly.
I have a theory Tiff is an Atheist posting this to showw ignorant fundamentalist idiots up, surely no one can actually be this ignorant and this pessimistic about their own religion?
What does everyone else think?
James S said
Porky’s Revenge, I think you might be right. At least, I hope so, for humanity’s sake.
I do love that the moderator can’t spell LADY after all this nonsense over spelling.
blueollie said
479:
It makes you an idiot.
This is a blog for Conservative Christian Republicans; this isn’t some namby-pamby “let all of the children of the world get together for a big group hug” site. What part of the banner do you not understand?
If you are not a Conservative Christian Republican, get lost!
It is just self preservation; they need to suck up to us because we are superior. You don’t see Americans going to Mexico to do their menial jobs, do you?
Caca de toro. Tu eres un idiota!
Oh, so you found the link to the online thesaurus huh? Congratulations. Now go away and come back when you’ve learned some logic.
blueollie said
Re: 480: don’t you ever insult Sister Tiffany like that. Shame on you!
BrotherInChrist said
Re 482 Revenge, you have no business here. This site is for True Christian, Republican Americans, your spelling is a dead give away you’re a bloody British. Go away! Go back to your God Save the Queen board and leave us Americans alone. You lost the war twice.
666BETTERTHAN777 said
You can´t be serious!! xDD
I laughed all the time i read the arcticle, good joke ^^
I hope there will never be real people who talk like this. Or even believe in god . LOL
Louis said
When I was a young child in the 1950s- the mid-sixties, I used to go with my parents to church. Back then, Christianity used to be about love, helping ones neighbor, and all the other moral teachings that Jesus did in the New Testament. When did it morph into hate, bigotry, American nationalism, etc? What does that Sunday School song say now? “Jesus loves the little American Children – white and white, white and white, they are precious in his sight.” To all the people looking in from the world community, I do hope that you understand that not everyone from the USA is like this. Right now I am embarassed to be from the USA.
Tiffany Wellsley said
“Right now I am embarassed [sic] to be from the USA.”
Louis,
There is a simple solution: LEAVE THE USA!” We don’t need you here any more than we need those traitorous Dixie Chicks. If you don’t like the country, get out.
Honestly, people, don’t you get it yet? If you don’t like a food, you don’t eat it. If you don’t like harsh comments on a TV show, you turn the channel. If you don’t like the attitudes of the people with whom you hang around, you choose a different group of buddies. If you don’t like the artwork at a museum, you stay out of the place. If you don’t like the beliefs of a religion, you don’t enter any of its churches. And if you’re embarrassed to be an American, you go somewhere else.
I’ll be happy to help you out with the moving expenses. Just put your meager belongings in a couple of crates and I’ll pay the freight charges. All I ask in return is that you go to a country too far away for you to return here, simply by getting your back wet.
Tiffany
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
Thank you so much for your chivalrous defense. But rest assured that I take no stock in what people like Porky’s Revenge think. Let’s ignore for a moment that this individual has named himself after an evil, morbidly obese man portrayed in C- teen flicks. He has obviously not seen my countless posts lambasting atheists every step of the way. And he’d certainly be in a quandry having to explain why 10 percent of our family’s gross income every week goes to our church since I’m supposedly an atheist. LOL! The morons on this board are countless.
Thanks again, dear.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
Just for the record, America is the continent, North America is the country, which makes up for those 50 states. Canada, Mexico, Brazil etc. also count as ‘America’ because they’re on the same continent. It’s like Africa is the continent, but South Africa is the country.
James S said
485:
I can’t seem to remember the part of the Bible that said that Americans were superior to Mexicans. You’ll have to refresh my memory. Please do- it’ll only make me hate what that book can generate even more.
You really are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you?
‘this isn’t some namby-pamby “let all of the children of the world get together for a big group hug” site’. Wanting world peace and for everyone’s children to get along without racial stereotypes is ‘namby-pamby’ is it? Well then I’d rather be ‘namby-pamby’ than a vile bigot.
Just because you don’t understand logic doesn’t mean that I’m not using it. You’re incredibly hypicritical; you whine like a baby whenever someone isn’t using English ‘properly’, and then criticise people when they do. You’ve called those who can’t spell very well ‘idiots’, and then move on to sneer at, by that logic, intelligence. Just because ‘fastidious’ is a big, scary word to you doesn’t mean that everyone else also has to go online to find out what it means. Grow up.
James S said
Oh, and if people who can’t spell are idiots, I would again like to direct you to the modirator’s spelling of ‘lady’. No one’s perfect. From looking at you, this much is clear.
MODERATOR NOTE: Learn how to spell MODERATOR you dumb@ss.
blueollie said
493: I am not “whining” when someone fails to use the English language properly; I am merely making fun of them.
And no, your diction and vocabulary aren’t “scary”; in fact, they amuse me. Often, people of inferior intellect attempt to use such language to cover up the fact that they are morons. My guess is that you are probably some clueless “postmodernist lit” major who probably couldn’t even pass a freshman calculus course. Of course, I don’t know for sure; I’ll have to ask Jesus for guidance.
I ask you again: what part about “Conservative Christians ONLY. Liberals, Atheists Not Welcomed” do you not understand? (Scroll up to the site’s banner if you don’t get it). Do you see us going onto Daily Kos, MSNBC message boards or “Richarddawkins.net” and trolling?
Go away. Maybe you can hang out at Oprah’s or Dr. Phil’s website.
Note to fellow Patriotic Americans:
This is a pity that this country elected Barack “I love Osama” Obama; had Dick Cheney decided to run, he would have won and we could have turned this guy into homeland security; my guess is that he would have been waterboarded a few times by now! Ah, what could have been…..
Shocked Silly said
Wow, you have really lost it, Tiff. It makes me wonder if you ever had all your marbles, or if you have always been *UNChristian Word Removed* nuts. You are a shining example of the root cause of the greatest destruction ever seen by mankind – religious fanaticism.
Jesus would slap you around like a dog with puppies if he were here today. You really missed the point of those stories in the little black book you think you know so well.
MODERATOR NOTE: Watch it, Mister.
bobby g said
Just for the record. North America is the continent. The United States of America, is the country.
James S said
I’m perfectly aware of how to spell ‘moderator’. Either it was a mistype (it happens), or (and let’s be honest, it wouldn’t be surprising judging by the lukes of people on this site) it was edited.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Don’t flatter yourself. Nobody ever needs to go to any extra effort to make your posts look like they were written by an idiot.
Blueollie:
I’m sure some people do use language to cover up the fact that they are morons. Perhaps you should learn to do so.
blueollie said
James: why are you here? Do you enjoy being used as a piñata (pinata)? (I know that there is a tilde over the n but I don’t have that and “number lock alt 0241 doesn’t seem to work”)
Listen heathen: here we follow THE BIBLE. Be lucky that you aren’t close enough for us to send some bears to take care of you; that is what happens to bratty kids.
Louis said
You said:
“Louis,
There is a simple solution: LEAVE THE USA!” We don’t need you here any more than we need those traitorous Dixie Chicks. If you don’t like the country, get out.
Honestly, people, don’t you get it yet? If you don’t like a food, you don’t eat it. If you don’t like harsh comments on a TV show, you turn the channel. If you don’t like the attitudes of the people with whom you hang around, you choose a different group of buddies. If you don’t like the artwork at a museum, you stay out of the place. If you don’t like the beliefs of a religion, you don’t enter any of its churches. And if you’re embarrassed to be an American, you go somewhere else.
I’ll be happy to help you out with the moving expenses. Just put your meager belongings in a couple of crates and I’ll pay the freight charges. All I ask in return is that you go to a country too far away for you to return here, simply by getting your back wet.
Tiffany”
See if you can follow this logic, Tiffany. Obama won the election which leads me to believe that people like ME are now in the majority. I love my country because of its secular laws, freedoms, and diversity. You seem to be the one that doen’t like it. How could you like it and even consider voting for a war criminal like Cheney? Perhaps YOU should be the one taking your hateful views and getting out – maybe someplace like the Middle East. They don’t have separation of church/state there which should suit you just fine. You are; however, correct about one thing – I do choose my friends carefully and they certainly aren’t the ones with attitudes like yours. As to Church – church is all around me and I wouldn’t be caught dead in one that spews hate and bigotry. In fact, with the exception of funerals and weddings, I haven’t been inside a church since the late 1960s. I actually feel sorry for you as you seem so consumed by hate, you can’t possible be living a happy life. Did something happen to you in your youth to cause your unhappiness?
Louis
P.S. I don’t care for the Dixie Chick’s music, but I do support their 1st Amendment right to free speech.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Bobby G,
I can’t begin to express how impressed I am with you! In Post No. 497, you actually told the truth about something. (I wonder if they’re ice skating in hell right now.) This incredible event has led me to overlook your atrocious punctuation.
Louis,
Your tirade is laughable. It reminds me of a sporting incident I watched. I love tennis. I play doubles at the club several times a week. As a result, I’ve become interested in the professional circuit. I remember watching a match where one of the colored sisters, Venus Williams, was losing to a lesser ranked player because she couldn’t get her forehands in. Commentator Tracy Austin suggested she hire an additional coach who specializes in the forehand. The sisters’ racist father, Richard Williams, took this is an affront and, rather than respond to Tracy’s suggestion, instead said she must be an awfully unhappy person who had a bad family life (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5927033).
That is exactly what you have done here. You said you are embarrassed to be an American. When I suggested you leave this country that embarrasses you, you got angry and, rather than defend yourself, you lashed out at me, someone you don’t even know, and claimed I must be unhappy.
Grow up, Louis. Defend yourself. Don’t just make up nonsense about people you don’t even know. Don’t be a Richard Williams.
Tiffany
Louis said
You said: “Louis,
Your tirade is laughable. It reminds me of a sporting incident I watched. I love tennis. I play doubles at the club several times a week. As a result, I’ve become interested in the professional circuit. I remember watching a match where one of the colored sisters, Venus Williams, was losing to a lesser ranked player because she couldn’t get her forehands in. Commentator Tracy Austin suggested she hire an additional coach who specializes in the forehand. The sisters’ racist father, Richard Williams, took this is an affront and, rather than respond to Tracy’s suggestion, instead said she must be an awfully unhappy person who had a bad family life (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/5927033).
That is exactly what you have done here. You said you are embarrassed to be an American. When I suggested you leave this country that embarrasses you, you got angry and, rather than defend yourself, you lashed out at me, someone you don’t even know, and claimed I must be unhappy.
Grow up, Louis. Defend yourself. Don’t just make up nonsense about people you don’t even know. Don’t be a Richard Williams.
Tiffany”
I’m the one laughing now. Your post is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black as it seems to me that you just made up some nonsense and directed it at me – a person YOU don’t even know. Perhaps I should clarify my statement concerning being “embarrassed to be an American,” and I should have done so quite a few posts ago. Many people from all over the world have been searching for information concerning the swine flu and have stumbled across your blog – that is how I got here. Then these same people read this blog from a so-called Christian and probably come away very confused because there is NOTHING Christian about bigotry and hate. Then these same people see my posts and probably come away judging me as being one of these loving Christians. In other words, it is your blog that causes my embarrassment. The rest of the world already hates us after eight years of Bush’s stupidity and cowboy diplomacy and your blog helps to reinforce these opinions of us as Americans.
You seem to have a very narrow world view that people from the USA are the only folks that count and everyone else are simply second class. I am so very glad that the little village in Texas has its idiot back and we finally have a president that doesn’t butcher the English language and speaks with intelligence and compassion.
Louis said
Woops, I left something out. Who is Richard Williams? I am aware of a Richard Williams that plays guitar for the rock group Kansas but I doubt if that is who you are referring to.
Warrior Jodie said
Dear blueollie,
The LORD just now whispered in my ear that JAMES is a raging HOMO sexual with DEMONIC tendancies! That and is mildy retarded. We ought to be praying for his
sorry A$$soul but I think our LORD and SAVIOR would rather see him suffer a WHOLE LOT first so I am holding off.XXOO
Jo-Jo
blueollie said
Some remplies:
504: Warrior Jodie, you are right; but your conclusion (based on an intimate communication with Our Savior that “JAMES is a raging HOMO sexual with DEMONIC tendancies!” is entirely consistent with him being a humanities professor of some sort. My guess is that our Good forum is generating some masters degree thesis material.
502: Louis, I am ashamed that you’d come on our board and spout racist stuff like this: “Your post is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black”. You might protest that this is a common aphorism but you used it when Sister Tiffany was discussing a distinguished African American athlete.
489: more lunacy from Louis: “Back then, Christianity used to be about love, helping ones neighbor, and all the other moral teachings that Jesus did in the New Testament. When did it morph into hate, bigotry, American nationalism, etc?”
Really. You might want to read up on some history; in the south Christians were instrumental in making sure that people knew their place in society. Even the late Rev. Falwell was a big-time supporter of the apartheid government in South Africa; he may have been a sweaty, wheezing obese man, but he sure knew about the curse of Ham.
Remember, we are about THE BIBLE and not some faux Barney-Oprah brand of Christianity. We don’t throw out or rationalize away what is unpalatable to modern sensibilities.
James S said
‘Don’t flatter yourself. Nobody ever needs to go to any extra effort to make your posts look like they were written by an idiot.’.
Then, again, by your opinions on spelling and grammar being so important, you’re an idiot. Try reading that sentence again, and tell me that ’sensible’, ‘intelligent’ people never have mistypes.
Warrior Jodie:
If you’re actually hearing voices in your head then I’d recommend some psychiatric help. However, if you genuinely are hearing the words of God, then He is either lying, or working in those ‘mysterious ways’ that always seem like such a cop-out in debate. If you’d cared to read my posts, you’d realise that I’m already in a very happy heterosexual relationship in which I am not ’suffering’. Pray for me all you want if you like. I can assure you that it won’t make any difference to my life.
One thing that is blindingly obvious from this site is how full of hate the extreme nationalist Christians are in comparison with the genuine caring nature and digust at such racism displayed by the moderate Christians and atheists. Don’t worry Louis, there’s no need to be embarrassed for being from the USA; it is clear how people like this are thankfully a minority managing to ruin its image.
James S said
The moderator is, in fact, very bright. The English that I pulled the moderator up on was perfect. Sorry for my error.
CharCharx said
:O the moderator’s changing the posts, I saw the mistake James S saw and was tempted to point it out but you got there first lol (it was ‘got to’ in that sentence.) LOL I don’t think that’s what James said originally now, is it? Play fair moderator, whole point of anything like this is to have a debate, what’s the point in just agreeing on your horrible opinions?
blueollie said
507: It’s just like a liberal pantywaist to give in.
Shocked Silly said
I’m confused here:
505 “Really. You might want to read up on some history; in the south Christians were instrumental in making sure that people knew their place in society. Even the late Rev. Falwell was a big-time supporter of the apartheid government in South Africa; he may have been a sweaty, wheezing obese man, but he sure knew about the curse of Ham.”
Blueollie, are you trying to justify racism with God’s teachings, as you understand them?
If so, are you aware that Jesus was most likely an Arab, not the blond/blue eyed guy you usually think of?
blueollie said
510: get off of it. In Joshua, when the the Israelites wanted the lands that were occupied by others, then went in an basically murdered the population (including non combatants).
Jesus himself said that he came only to save the chosen few and to not throw food from the kids plates to the dogs.
Paul argued that slavery was part of God’s plan.
You won’t find justification for equality of humans (in the modern sense) in the Bible, unless you are dishonest enough to pretend large sections of it aren’t there.
And yes, Jesus was Nordic; check out the pictures here
(ps: yes, the liberal egg-headed scholars will talk about Jesus being a Semite (Arabs are a subset of the Semitic people) and therefore brown and will also talk about how those in the West painted Jesus to look like themselves, but don’t believe them. They also say nonsense such as Jesus spoke Aramaic and his words were translated into Greek, but we all know that Jesus spoke in Elizabethan (“King James”) English ).
Shocked Silly said
So, you ARE trying to justify racism by using God’s teachings, as you understand them. That is what I thought. That is sick, and is no different than what drove Hitler, and numerous others, to think it is OK to commit horrific violence against other humans.
And I see that you have nothing in common with (what most people on the planet think of as) Christian Values.
I can’t tell if you really think that Jesus was white, but nothing you say would shock me at this point.
blueollie said
“So, you ARE trying to justify racism by using God’s teachings, as you understand them.”
Ok, tell me how YOU understand:
As far as equality of people:
Jesus himself:
Face facts: modern ideas of equality are just that: modern ideas. They are not Biblical ones.
Louis said
Ok, I’m convinced – the bible is sexist, rascist, and a whole lot of other “ists” – so tell me, why do you read it? That reminds me of something that I saw recently. God was having his daily conversation with Pat Robertson when god says” Here Pat, take this bible.” Pat was astonished “Why god, this is only a blank piece of paper.” God says “I know Pat, this is the [VILE, SHOCKING BLASPHEMY REMOVED TO PROTECT READER'S SOULS] version.”
blueollie said
Louis, you just don’t get it do you? God is God and we have to like him anyway. You do what he says or you roast for eternity…it is that simple.
It is sort of like this but more…uh….”Bible like”.
Shocked Silly said
513. So you would be ok with being a slave? (Or do you really think that you are above that for some reason?) If you approve of something, you approve of it being done unto you, right?
You seriously believe that God condones slavery of anyone? This is fascinating. You are either pulling my leg, or really, really nuts to take a book, written originally in another language and mangled into your language, literally.
Sorry for the UNChristian language. How about this? You must be “possessed by a demon” if you think this is an exact guide for your life. I think I’m getting the hang of this, Moderator.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Louis,
Your conduct is unacceptable. Your posts are profane, repugnant and offensive. Your bigotry against True Christians is disgusting. This is a Christian message board with regular posters who are kind, loving, God-fearing people. You may disagree with our ideology, but that doesn’t give you the right to leave obscene, vicious and disrespectful posts. If you can’t learn to behave like a gentleman, I will recommend to the Moderator that you be barred. Granted, the rather lackadaisical Moderator doesn’t always accept my recommendations (or that secularist in disguise, Bobby G, would have been gone long ago). But I will make a very strong case for your exclusion.
Why don’t you find some redneck or Eurotrash board on which you can leave your depraved posts? Leave good people alone. We don’t need your kind of garbage here.
Tiffany
Tiffany Wellsley said
Shocked Silly,
The New Testament is replete with verses in which Jesus not only condoned slavery, but actually prescribed the ways in which masters and slaves are to deal with one another. If you doubt that, I’ll be happy to post the verses yet again. After I posted them previously, even that pathological liar, Bobby G was forced to admit that he was wrong and that the New Testament does establish rules for the treatment of slaves.
Regarding whether we would want to be slaves, the answer is, of course, no. Just as we would prefer not to be the people who repair sewers, unclog toilets or clean the floors of porn theaters. Fortunately, most of us here aren’t descendants of Ham, so we aren’t those the Lord determined should be slaves. Of course, even those people aren’t slaves any more, since our Godless country adopted the Emancipation Proclamation and so-called “equal rights” (i.e., socialism). This is one reason our economy will never be stable.
Tiffany
blueollie said
516: “So you would be ok with being a slave? (Or do you really think that you are above that for some reason?) If you approve of something, you approve of it being done unto you, right?”
Oh my goodness, you don’t understand the Bible at all, do you? Do you think that the
mass murdererssoldiers of Joshua would have wanted themselves and their families cut to pieces with swords and to have their virgin daughters carried away? Or:(From Psalm 137)
Do you think that the author of this Psalm wanted his kids to be smashed on rocks? (well, maybe if they were especially bratty and whining about wanting an x-box…never mind…)
Anon said
James S said
May 12, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Oh, and if people who can’t spell are idiots, I would again like to direct you to the modirator’s spelling of ‘lady’. No one’s perfect. From looking at you, this much is clear.
MODERATOR NOTE: Learn how to spell MODERATOR you dumb@ss.
Learn how to spell [UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY UNSAVED TRASH REMOVED] [UNCHRISTIAN WORD BY UNSAVED TRASH REMOVED] moderator. You just made you look stupid..wait nevermind. It’s too late for that.
Shocked Silly said
518 “…since our Godless country adopted the Emancipation Proclamation and so-called “equal rights” (i.e., socialism). This is one reason our economy will never be stable.”
Didn’t you make a big deal about if you don’t like our country, leave it… Oh yes, here is is, #490 – you said “And if you’re embarrassed to be an American, you go somewhere else.”
Tiff, how can you stand to live in this godless, socialist country? I’m sure there must be a pure Homeland for folks like you somewhere. You should pack up your crates and your PA and get out, if you have any integrity.
Shocked Silly said
518. Regarding the slavery issue…
So being born a descendant of Ham is reason enough to be enslaved? To have your freedom and free will taken away from you for committing no crime… Presumed guilty… Not an American value, either (see previous post).
Is that not the same thing as killing a child in the womb? Taking the freedom and free will of a person is no different than taking their life from them. Do you support the abortion of innocent children?
(I’ve always thought that Christian conservatives were against abortion in every case, but I’ve not asked the question of the likes of those here.)
(Moderator, I thought I had it down, but you threw me for a loop. I didn’t know that dumb@ss was in the Bible.
)
TheOriginalAnon said
Shocked Silly, I don’t think any other country is insane enough to take them.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Shocked Silly,
Originally, I decided against replying to your rantings, since you’re obviously borderline retarded. But since many posting here share your acumen, I determined that a brief response is in order.
1. Descendants of Ham (the coloreds) don’t have their freedom taken away. They weren’t born with any freedom in the first place. When Noah’s son, Ham, deliberately peeked at his father’s nakedness, Noah condemned Ham’s son, Canaan, and all his descendants, to be servants of mankind forever. That was the beginning of the Negroid classification of mammals. So, Negroes are born into servitude. The fact that our country has sold out to the liberals is the only reason these creatures are not still serving for free. But frankly, with the economy the way it is, I can get numerous robust colored boys and nappy-headed gals to work for me for a salary less than what room and board would cost. So, the whole thing has worked out positively.
2. Christians oppose murdering children in the womb, whether they are destined to be white or destined to be servants. These issues have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
3. I love America and have never been ashamed of her. The fact that I believe her leader should be cleaning the White House rather than in charge of it doesn’t make me “embarassed [sic] to be from the USA”, as that communist traitor, Louis is.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Sister Tiffany: you can say this about the descendants of Ham: wow, some of them have great bodies (number 12, Orlando Magic) and others can sure play basketball (number 34, Boston Celtics).
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
Thank you for pointing that out. I agree with you 100 percent. I have great respect for the Negroid species. Some of their males are very robust and provide great sports entertainment and yard work to those of us preoccupied with intellectual matters. And many of their women can make a toilet bowl sparkle like Baccarat. Given that I acknowledge all of that, how can people accuse me of racism? Liberals make no sense!
Tiffany
Bryan said
Tiffany, it is a shame there isn’t a hell for you to burn in after you die, you evil human-being.
Bryan said
blueollie: “Face facts: modern ideas of equality are just that: modern ideas. They are not Biblical ones”
you are truly one of the stupidest people I’ve ever come across.
Louis said
Tiffant said: “Tiffany Wellsley said
May 14, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Louis,
Your conduct is unacceptable. Your posts are profane, repugnant and offensive. Your bigotry against True Christians is disgusting. This is a Christian message board with regular posters who are kind, loving, God-fearing people. You may disagree with our ideology, but that doesn’t give you the right to leave obscene, vicious and disrespectful posts. If you can’t learn to behave like a gentleman, I will recommend to the Moderator that you be barred. Granted, the rather lackadaisical Moderator doesn’t always accept my recommendations (or that secularist in disguise, Bobby G, would have been gone long ago). But I will make a very strong case for your exclusion.
Why don’t you find some redneck or Eurotrash board on which you can leave your depraved posts? Leave good people alone. We don’t need your kind of garbage here.
Tiffany”
No need to exclude me as I’m outta here. If this is an example of kind, loving Christians then I’m the Pope. As far as I’m concerned, I’m the one leaving the garbage behind.
Louis said
I left something out. It sure took a while to figure out I’m a secularist. I don’t believe there is a god, thor zeus, tooth fairy, leprechauns, ghosts, or anything supernatural.
CharCharx said
How can you say that all black people are good for is sports and manual labour? You [UNCHRISTIAN WORD], race has got nothing to do with intelligence. You’re showing that much.
Shocked Silly said
“Originally, I decided against replying to your rantings, since you’re obviously borderline retarded.”
You see right through me… I don’t know how I ever got through college and became a professional, helping build society… My God! And they trust me with the lives of other humans… I really should be put away, maybe on a plantation where I can serve the Chosen Ones…
“But since many posting here share your acumen, I determined that a brief response is in order.”
Thank you for your time to respond. Some people can’t resist opening their mouths to show their stupidity. For example:
“1. Descendants of Ham (the coloreds) don’t have their freedom taken away. They weren’t born with any freedom in the first place. When Noah’s son, Ham, deliberately peeked at his father’s nakedness, Noah condemned Ham’s son, Canaan, and all his descendants, to be servants of mankind forever. That was the beginning of the Negroid classification of mammals. So, Negroes are born into servitude.”
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You can’t be serious… Only a retard would think that is true. Please, tell me you are pulling my fig leaf. Please, I’m losing faith in humankind here.
blueollie said
528: Actually, the statement I made is true; the people in Biblical times would have thought the equality of all humans to be utterly ridiculous (see: passages that condone slavery and seek to regulate it, passages that talk about divinely approved (and ordered) mass slaughter, murder, rape, etc.)
blueollie said
To the moderator: I am very sorry I used the UnChristian “r” word…I meant “unplanned sexual event”, of course.
I repent in dust and ashes.
Porkys revenge said
BrotherInChrist- “The United States has reported the most number of cases with 3,352, while Mexico has reported 2,446 cases” seems God doesn’t love the USA quite as much as you think
Do you hear yourself? “Christian, Republican, American” can you discriminate much more? Your well on your way to beating the Nazis for persecution so well done.
Lost the war twice? What planet do you live on?
Tiffany- my name is a joke about swine flu, God knows what weirdo films you’ve been watching but I’m not named after anyone. I have seen your posts, but they’re so ridiculous I’ve decided you must be an atheist satarising idiotic Christians, it also explains how critical your are of your own religion.
This is further supported by your use of the word ‘bigotry’ surely that has to be an ironic comment since you’ve discriminated against pretty much any group you can think of with your racist ignorant nonsense?
CharCharx said
They’ve got to be joking, they’ve taken it too far though. Even if they’re not, they’re probably just scared of the influence that religion’s losing ^^
And using a dated old book to justify their awful beliefs
blueollie said
535: Sister Tiffany was referring to this film which was a follow on to the film “Porky’s”.
Yes, during my unsaved days, I saw the film. We were deployed on a submarine in the Mediterranean sea and my Captain just about wet himself with laughter at the completely carnal and UnChristian “Lassie in the drying room” scene.
I am happy to say that I have repented from my Navy days.
Dixie Dean said
@ BlueOllie
Are you really chosen?
Or do you support that shower down in Birmingham?
blueollie said
All who believe in The Bible (as it really is, and not just the palatable parts) are chosen.
Shower in Birmingham: I believe in good hygiene, even in England.
Remember that those with poor (or non-existent) hygiene will not inherit the Kingdom of God (except for Sister June)
Abu Khalid said
I was going to write a massive retort to this obviously conditioned view of the world. however there is no point. The fact is that nothing I say will change what you believe.
I’m just glad that most of your country do not share your beliefs as we’ld have another state similar to Nazi Germany or Puritan England.
P.S. have you not heard of the Aztecs or Mixtecs some of the greatest civilizations known to man or God.
THE TURE WORD said
God has brought this false prophet to turn you from the true path. Brothers and Sisters Allah does not discriminate amongst color or creed. We are the same believing in one true god join us and be saved from this Infidel!
RS said
Tiffany,
Jesus has taught us many valuable lessons. One of them is that we should love and make peace with all. Why not pray for them? There is no reason to hate for God has shown us time and time again that it gets us nowhere. Why did he kill all of the people in a flood? It was because the world was filled with hate.
TheOriginalAnon said
Porkys Revenge says:
“but they’re so ridiculous I’ve decided you must be an atheist satarising idiotic Christians, it also explains how critical your are of your own religion.”
It is possible, but it’d be too much of a dedicated act for them to keep it up, I mean BlueOllie believes Edward Current is a true Christian and believes his account was hacked to say that he wasn’t and that his videos exist for a comedy value. It seems insane that anybody can believe in some of the things people say on here, but I’ll introduce you to something called ‘Poe’s Law’ (if you haven’t already heard of it).
To quote a source:
“Poe’s Law relates to fundamentalism, and the difficulty of identifying actual parodies thereof. It suggests that, in general, it is hard to tell fake fundamentalism from the real thing, since they may both espouse equally extreme beliefs. Poe’s law also works in reverse: real fundamentalism can also be indistinguishable from parody fundamentalism.”
I think BlueOllie must have fallen into that trap where he can’t distinguish the humour from the real thing and you seem to find it hard to distinguish the real thing from the humour. I believe ‘Shelly The Republican’ is one of the blogs that parodies ones like this one, though I could be mistaken.
Tiffany Wellsley said
RS,
I wonder if you have any idea how ridiculous your post is. I doubt it. I suspect you have barely enough intellect to dress yourself in the morning. You say that God is against hate, so, in response, He drowned everyone on the planet (except that drunk exhibitionist, Noah and his family), including even the infants and unborn babies. He punished hate with mass slaughter. That is like saying that if someone is against a neighbor’s burning of refuse in the backyard, he should respond by torching the neighbor’s house and yard.
God killed the whole planet because he hates sin. He did not flood the planet because the people were full of hate. You just made that up (which, by the way, is blasphemy). The people of the time were sinning massively. God hates sin so much that he was ashamed He ever created man and wiped them off the face of the planet (with the above exception) (Genesis 6:1-12). Now, you can play the tiresome, semantic game — “God hates sin but loves sinners” — but the bottom line is that one doesn’t slaughter those he loves (unless he is seriously disturbed — are you saying God is mentally ill)?
I will go on condemning those who fail to give God His due and fail to accept God’s Son as their personal Lord and Savior, and pseudo-Oprah Christians like you will go on saying we should love everyone. You go ahead and love all the Osama bin Ladens and Saddam Husseins of the world. Forgive me if I decline to join in the orgy.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
Though it’s there in the bible Tiff, you can’t ignore that. It seems like a terrible confliction, do you hate or do you love as Christians? I have seen parts of the bible that say conflicting things and it seems both sides jump around the teachings that oppose their practice.
Personally I wouldn’t love Saddam or Osama, on simply moral grounds (yes, we ‘liberal’ atheists have morals), they’re horrible – Saddam for what he did to his own people (‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ was a load a of rubbish) and Osama for the Al Quaeda and we they’ve done, and I am glad that Saddam was caught and I dislike Islamic fundamentalism, which seems to bring us suicide bombers and bigots, but by the same merit Christian fundamentalism (I wonder what you lot will do in the name of God?) and of course I dislike George W Bush because he sent his soldiers not to fight the Iraqi army and sending people to die for a war based on false claims but also executing plans that meant some quite bad collateral damage on innocent civilians who were NOT terrorists, which perhaps matches the horrors the terrorists have done/want to do to us…of course like-wise for ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair.
So at least we atheists can find a moral code to judge who we love and who we don’t love without having the narrowmind of “loving those I agree with” and “hating those I disagree with” or in the case of the ‘Oprah-Christians’ you dislike, “love everyone”.
CharCharx said
Ah right, so God’s a [obscenity deleted]head then? Well then, based on this, and the fact that there’s no evidence for his existence, I think I’ll pass on the whole being-a-bigot thing you guys have got going.
Shocked Silly said
“but the bottom line is that one doesn’t slaughter those he loves (unless he is seriously disturbed — are you saying God is mentally ill)?”
Ok, I’ll say it. Yes, the God you believe in is mentally ill.
TheOriginalAnon said
Quote: “Of course, there is a silver lining to every tragedy. If this disease continues to spread in Mexico, it could substantially reduce our illegal immigration problem. Perhaps that is God’s goal. The Lord does work in mysterious ways.”
I’ve been thinking and I’m sure you will be surprised that an evil liberal atheist like me is capable of thought, but it’s a common misconception met by many. Really is God trying to send a message about immigration and Mexicans? Is he really playing on the whole thing of the ‘curse of ham’ because of some dark sense of humour? It isn’t quite fitting really, I mean it’s spreading further than Mexico and isn’t targeting black people, it’s just spreading through pigs. I mean I’d say that this is a sign from another God, Allah, the Muslim God, I mean obviously it’s a sign to stop eating pork, which is forbidden in the Muslim faith and of course that ties in with 9/11, which you give all of the credit to your God, it was sign from the Muslim God Allah, I mean all of the evils going on in America and a lot of the world is forbidden by Islam.
Perhaps you are seeing signs from a different God who isn’t your own. It seems more likely given the types of punishments they are.
Porkys revenge said
Blue Ollie- Good for her, doesn’t mean I’m named after it
“All who believe in The Bible (as it really is, and not just the palatable parts) are chosen.”
That leaves NO ONE, no Christians believe in every part of it because it’s ridiculous and full of nonsense rules and encouragement of violence.
RS- Read your bible again, you may have heard that’s the message, it’s not what it says. Glad you excuse God’s mass genocide for a little bad behaviour though, a true Christian. If that was true we would have had another flood by now, there’s plenty of hate in the world.
Theoriginalanon- I wouldn’t be so sure, people are very good at keeping up acts and on the internet it’s easy. She has far too much biblical knowledge to be a real Christian (who tend to blindly believe and know next to nothing about their supposed holy book) and whats more she knows how to use it to show her religion as bigoted, violent and based on ignorant nonsense.
Perfect example-
“He punished hate with mass slaughter. That is like saying that if someone is against a neighbor’s burning of refuse in the backyard, he should respond by torching the neighbor’s house and yard.”
And again- “but the bottom line is that one doesn’t slaughter those he loves (unless he is seriously disturbed — are you saying God is mentally ill)?”
Tiff has enough biblical knowledge to know God loves someone one minute and is perfectly happy to kill them brutally the next so as well as admitting that she just called the God she supposedly believes in mentally ill.
Sounds like an atheist to me.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Porky,
I couldn’t care less what you think of me. My faith is between God and me, and God wouldn’t give your opinion one nanosecond of thought either. This much is certain: when people like you are hurled into the furnace of hell, you won’t be there five seconds before you are sorry you didn’t believe.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
That’s a typical response ^, you could be right Porky, I think perhaps the same for BlueOllie. Debbie and June seem like the real nutters, BlueOllie and Tiff could be playing us on. Shelley the Republican pulls it off (The ‘adopt an atheist’ campaign is major giveaway), so does Edward Current (‘I’ll convert to every religion just in case’ and ‘the stork is real so we don’t need sex to have babies’ are major giveaways’) certainly these guys mix their knowledge of the bible with redneck bigotry to create some pretty convincing fundamentalists and I’m sure BlueOllie has the intelligence to recognise Ed Current as satire and he’s excuse against my evidence is just too unfounded and lame for somebody who is seemingly intelligent and I’m sure Tiffany is intelligent enough to recognise a passage from the bible and know its meaning without resorted to unintelligent excuses or simply avoiding the matter and sticking up for the ‘redneck’ side of her persona.
But I think it quite fairly demonstrates the characteristics satirised by certain comedians and certainly things picked up by people who discuss fundamentalism, like Edward Currents “I’ll convert to every religion just in case” demonstrates the problem of ‘Pascal’s Wager’ whilst these guys seems to quite effectively demonstrate the circularly logic made by fundamentalists.
Though they’re not particularly obvious, so Poe’s Law could easily be obsevered.
Shocked Silly said
“…when people like you are hurled into the furnace of hell,…”
But, per your most recent post, Porky gets to wait until the Rapture before he is hurled down, right?
Porky, considering Jesus is already 2000 years late for the party, you may not have anything to worry about! Me either!
Woo hoo!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
I suppose you think you’re really clever. You insult Blue Ollie and me by accusing us of being atheists because we’re too intelligent to be fundamentalist Christians. And you insult June and Debbie by saying they’re crazy enough to be fundamentalist Christians (or, as you put it, they’re “real nutters”). You may be the biggest hypocrite who ever lived. You constantly accuse me (falsely, I might add) of being a “bigot.” And yet, you stereotype fundamentalists by saying anyone intelligent or sane is not one and anyone stupid or crazy may be one. How is that not what you have repeatedly referred to as “bigotry”? I knew atheists were arrogant, but to assume that people who have rejected God have a monopoly on intelligence is downright offensive, and frankly, a stereotype of the worst order. And by the way, how is calling someone you think is mentally ill a “real nutter” any different than calling someone who, to use politically correct terminology, is “intellectually challenged,” a “retard” (something you have attacked me for doing)?
I have never questioned your sincerity in any of my posts. I take issue with your beliefs. In fact, I think they’re downright stupid. In my opinion, anyone who questions the existence of God is someone who has never taken the time to examine the beauty of the earth. To look at the way life on this planet exists in perfect unison to create an infrastucture for all living things. To watch people express their love for one another and their happiness at the wonder of their lives. To watch a parent’s facial expression when looking at her child and know that she would give her own life for that little being. To stare at sunsets, majestic mountains, foaming blue oceans, the flora and the fawna. The notion that all of this merely arose from some giant explosion in space, or turned into the beauty that it is by completely random evolution, requires an unbelievably cynical mind. Yet, I have never questioned your cynicism. I’ve never accused you of making up your opinions.
What if I pointed to a post in which you expressed concern for others and said, “Well, he’s obviously faking his atheism because atheists are pure hedonists, caring about nothing but their own pleasure-seeking”? You would respond to that post by saying it reflects “bigotry.” Yet, it is apparently A-OK for you to say the loonies on this board may be conservative Christians but the intelligent people can’t be. Tell me: what is the difference? How is your accusation anything other than the very so-called “prejudice” you routinely condemn?
Don’t ever leave another post on this board accusing anyone of bigotry, racism or prejudice. Because every time you do, I will bring up your last post and quote it with impugnity.
I take great offense at your post because it belittles my beliefs and my efforts to witness to others about my faith. But you won’t stop me. Maybe you’re just throwing everything up against the wall, now resorting to the kitchen sink, because none of your other efforts have stifled my expression of Christian faith. Whatever the motivation, the hypocrisy is undeniable.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
I see that I irked you Tiffany, by over generalising your group, by being bigoted about fundamental Christians, don’t you see that I am just using your own tools (and the tools of your friends) against you and I am glad that it did irk you and that you made that post, not because I derive some sick pleasure from it, but because it shows that you do not like receiving over generalised remarks, that you don’t like it when the intelligence of your associates is questioned, you don’t like it when someone is bigoted about you, your faith and the faith of those like you. You’re comparing some of the things I said to some of the things you see and you’re offended, maybe you’re not immediately conscious of it, but you’ve learned something, that is the harshness of your words and convictions.
You talk about the beauty of the things in our would and seem to argue from the point of ‘design’, I have argued this many times, and certainly I can appreciate some of the things we have in the world but I cannot attribute it to design, there are some great arguments against it and to be honest Tiffany, if you’re unable of seeing the otherside of things, that does not matter and if you believe in God, that does not matter, but remember it does mean you have it right and the fact I can’t see a God in this world does not mean that I am right. We’re human and our interpretations of the world can be wrong, hence there are so many, I mean look, even in Christianity there are approx. 35,000 sects and each with their own way of viewing the world. I wouldn’t say let that weaken your faith, but bear in mind of the things you say and do and the people it effects and then maybe such harsh words would not be said to you and maybe you could live happier with other people in this world. I mean in heaven you may be with God, on Earth you’re with us, why be so harsh when you can enjoy your time without holding prejudice and fighting against other people’s views, beliefs or differences, it’s not going to effect what’s going to happen to you in heaven.
If being a hypocrite allows me to make a point, then I’ll be a hypocrite. Despite what’s been said Tiff, I don’t think at heart you’re so bad, but I think maybe you need to realise that.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
What a load of pompous, self-righteous, patronizing crap! First, while you infuriated me, you haven’t changed my attitude about anything. In fact, how arrogant of you even to think you have that ability. In reality, you have merely increased my hatred of you and all other atheists exponentially. I now hate you people at least as much as homos — maybe more!
What is even worse than your hypocrisy is your complete disingenuousness. Your claim that you planned to incite me for the purpose of altering my outlook is revisionist nonsense. You genuinely doubted my sincerity because you have this ridiculous notion that if someone sounds articulate or intelligent, that person must be an atheist.
I stand by every post I ever left on this board. And now, thanks to you, I will double my attacks on nonbelievers because you have convinced me that their attacks on True Christians involve precisely the characteristics that nonbelievers, themselves, possess.
All of you’ve done is to show that, even by your own silly standards, you are no different than those you attack.
Frankly, you’re despicable.
Tiffany
prophetessdebbie said
Tiffany: I take issue with you implying that I am not a True Christian or a good example of a True Christian. People who think I am a “nutter” (whatever that means — it sounds suspiciously unAmerican) are simply under the sway of the Great Deceiver. When they have a chance to savor the words of the Savior by a blessed intermediary, only to scoff at such an opportunity, it is tantamount to kicking the Savior in the groin. In other words: Not a very smart move.
I will continue to pray for all of the people who post on this board. Whether they be snobby, annoying people full of false pride; illiterate garbage given to whoredom; True Christians; or Hell-bound atheists, they will ALL be in my prayers. I don’t hold myself above anyone. If Jesus does, that is His business.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Debbie,
You, a blessed intermediary? That sounds suspiciously Catholic. Of course, you do have much in common with a priest. Molesting younger men (and there aren’t many others) is the only way you’ll ever experience a satisfying heterosexual encounter.
Tiffany
prophetessdebbie said
I rebuke you and plead the warm Blood of the Perfect Lamb over your libel and hatred.
You must be a very, very unhappy woman (if you are even marginally self-aware) and I will pray for you and your poor hubby.
TheOriginalAnon said
Tiff, I had intended to treat you by your own standards, because I felt I may as well as arguing by my own standards wasn’t exactly effective in opening you up, regardless of whether or not it makes me a hypocrite, I had not intended to use it to change you, but though you fail to consciously recognise it, that posts sounds very much like the reaction I saw myself having when visiting this website for the first time and to various things I have read. So I was kind of hoping from my hypocrisy that something good came out of it.
But if this reinforces your hatred for atheists, then you’re overgeneralising more than I did – so it’s not as if you’re at liberty to complain, I mean goodness you guys over generalise so, so much more and at least I know that not all fundamentalists are the same, you guys are definitely different from the pentacostals and you are different from the Islamic fundamentals, you, June, BlueOllie and Debbie are different, heck you’re all different from the Westboro baptists.
If you can’t take your own medicine, then don’t give out in the first place.
Josh P said
Being a [STUPID] atheist is simple. All you have to do is stop being a hypocrite. I used to believe as a southern baptist and was “saved” and everything. Once I started learning about all the other religions out there I simply asked, how do we know which one is the right one? Answer: we don’t. [SPEAK FOR YOURSELF, YOU FORMERLY-SAVED LOSER!] No one knows because it was all [BLASPHEMY REMOVED]. This is very easy to see once you ask yourself why don’t you believe in the same god as muslims? Why don’t you believe in the same gods as the hindus? The real reason is because you haven’t had to go to any of those churches every week or twice a week and be told over and over that that religion is the right one. Everyone is actually an atheist in respect to some other religion. Why don’t you believe in and follow zeus and thor and ra? You are an atheist with respect to them. If humans can just honestly answer and get rid of superstition we could have one less thing to divide us. We are all the same species of mammal and we are all sharing the same planet with a finite time left until the sun runs out of fuel or we destroy each other over something silly.
CharCharx said
‘In my opinion, anyone who questions the existence of God is someone who has never taken the time to examine the beauty of the earth. To look at the way life on this planet exists in perfect unison to create an infrastucture for all living things’.
This isn’t ‘random evolution’ as you put it. This is a really common misconception about evolution. I couldn’t really do it too much justice, I’d recommend someone like Thunderf00t on YouTube to give a good overview, but I’ll do my best.
Evolution isn’t just blind chance. Believe me, if evolutionists were saying that it was that, I’d certainly be with you on believing in a Creator! It’s to do with very gradual natural selection over a long time.
Take these facts:
Not all offspring will survive in order to produce more offspring (the population would be out of control).
There is always variation in offspring (some will be taller, some will be shorter, green/bule eyes etc).
Offspring that is best adapted to its environment has a better chance of survival, and so will stand more of a chance to pass on their genes to the next generation. Thus, the best suited genes to that particular environment are passed down (the giraffe is a good example, they have evolved from much shorter creatures, with the tallest of each generation surviving because of competiton for their diet (the tree leaves).
Over time, creatures become more and more adapted to survive in their environment, and so becoming more complex.
The eye, whilst very complex, has gone by the same process, starting off with very primitive light-receiving cells.
Evolution isn’t blind chance, it’s just the survival of well-adapted genes, that develops more complicated organisms over generations. If you want evidence for evolution in action, even Creationists achknowledge the case of the ‘Peppered Moth’ (where the ‘dark gene’ for the species has diminished because it wasn’t well adapted). Indeed, this is microevolution, though macroevolution in itself is just lots and lots of microevolution over a long time!
blueollie said
559: “you are different from the Islamic fundamentals”
Of course, you meant Islamic fundamentalists.
But you know, they aren’t all crazy. After they hate science, hate homos (example; scroll down to the bottom), they keep women in their place (sorry Sister Tiffany and Prophetess Debbie!) and they love to kill and blow things up. You know, if we could get them to worship Jesus (and not just see him as a prophet) and to embrace supply side economics (tax cuts for the wealthy), they’d make great Conservative Christian Republicans!
560: I don’t see why the moderator is letting you post such trash here; what part of “atheists not welcomed” do you not understand? But I’ll answer one of your idiotic questions:
“why don’t you believe in the same god as muslims? Why don’t you believe in the same gods as the hindus? ”
Simple. They are false gods!!!!! You worship the One True God (ours) or you roast for eternity. It is that simple.
“If humans can just honestly answer and get rid of superstition we could have one less thing to divide us.”
What makes you think that division is a bad thing? One of the things that we are looking forward to is enjoying your torment; as Sister June said: “we’ll be laughing so hard that we’ll be told to keep it down because the angles (sic) will be trying to sleep.” Ok, I didn’t get the quote quite right; I’d have to litter the sentence with more misspellings and grammatical errors to accurately quote Sister June, but it is close enough to what she said to be considered a translation.
561: of course you botched your pitiful attempt to explain evolution. Of course evolution is false; The Almighty created it all 6000 years ago and, at times, will allow Satan to attempt to trick people into thinking that things evolve (e. g., moths, viruses, voles exposed to the Chernobyl radiation, etc.)
But if you believe Satanic science (and I don’t) you’d have to account for the following:
1. Some organisms do NOT become more complex with time (e. g., the egg headed scientists claim that the frog evolved during the Triassic period (snicker) and
2. Not all evolution is due to natural selection; the evil egg atheistic scientists talk about genetic drift (mutated genes that give no survival advantage sometimes get fixed in a genome by pure randomness); there is also the case where a mutation might not give an immediate reproductive advantage but the environment changes so that the mutation becomes advantageous (e. g., the African lung fish had an advantage only when the lakes dried out). Also, at times a species with a mutation that might be a disadvantage will find its way to another location where it proves to be an advantage; evil Satanic anthropologists believe this about certain groups of “early” humans.
Of course, all of this is bunk that is created by Satan in order to keep heaven from being overcrowded.
TheOriginalAnon said
Josh it’s interesting that the moderator seems more interested in mocking you more than anything; it’s really like a downward spiral – every single person that has said anything that contradicts their belief they have just ignored it, laughed at it, called the person a moron (or another name) or quoted the bible.
I think the de-conversion of a southern baptist is perhaps an interesting tale because you can perhaps understand the mentality behind it.
Maybe the moderator should ask him/herself the question: “How do I know I’ve got the right one?” and think about why they’re a Christian in the first place and what made them believe in God – has God always existed for them? Was it due to how they were raised?
The best answer I’ve ever been given is ‘faith’ but faith isn’t knowledge, you can’t know somebody’s existence via faith, but believe in it and those are 2 very different things. Nobody knows that God exists but believe he does and when you believe in something you’ve got to accept that you could be wrong. Yet it seems the moderator thinks he/she knows that God exists. Faith is in the head, it doesn’t require evidence, thus it is not ‘knowledge’.
TheOriginalAnon said
BlueOllie:
I read some stuff from your Blog and will declare that I will not argue you with you any further.
blueollie said
Moderator: I think that I have just slandered by “TOA”.
Shocked Silly said
“Despite what’s been said Tiff, I don’t think at heart you’re so bad, but I think maybe you need to realise that.”
I’ll say it – she is that bad, and has a black soul. And she proves it every time she posts. She treats everyone with contempt, insults the others here who appear to be in the same sinking boat as herself (“saved true believers”), and believes that an old book is the exact word of God that justifies the enslavement of the descendants of Ham (Noah’s son) and the stoning of women with bad reputations, among many more atrocities.
562. “Simple. They are false gods!!!!! You worship the One True God (ours) or you roast for eternity. It is that simple.”
I’m not sure all of our egos can fit in this room…
Well, my god is bigger and badder and older than your God, so there! Yours is the false God, and you are doomed to spend eternity as a part of all that is, and all that will be. Accept that or else!
Is there a table for the grownups in this forum?
Phil said
For your information moderator, the words in my last comment were not my own. It’s a song, thus the repetition of a chorus. There really was no need to even point this out. The fact that you speak so childishly about others shows what a great Christian you are. I am sure that your God would be very proud of you.
We are all hoping you and Tiffany leave the internet world for good, rather than spamming it with racial abuse. Thanks.
P.s, please feel free to edit all you like. Censorship seems to be a great way for YOU to get YOUR message across.
Porkys revenge said
Tiffany
And yet you took the time to reply, there must be some affection there
When will Christians learn that hell is not a threat to people who DONT BELIEVE IN IT??!!! I can tell you the Flying Spaghetti Monster will come and torment you tonight but I doubt it will strike terror.
TheOriginalAnon- I agree about Blue Ollie. June and warrior jodie are complete imbeciles who I’m surprised can struggle to type a sentence even if when they do it is full of nonsense. Tiffany and Blue Ollie are a little too coherent and as I’ve said, they know the bible as well as an atheist whereas most of the true Christians on here have clearly glanced at the cover and then picked it as their belief system.
Shocked silly- awesome =D if Jesus gives it another few thousand years I’m sure we’ll be fine
Tiff- I think it’s a pretty big compliment to be called an atheist. After all you’re either a clever, satirical atheist trying to mock fundamentalist’s or you’re a prejudiced ignoramus who is actually so mind numbingly stupid we’re all ashamed to be the same species as you.
You don’t seem to understand what an Atheist is however, we haven’t rejected God, we don’t think he EXISTS, he is your imaginary friend, there’s no rejecting to be done.
I have examined the beauty of the world and thought about the fact that either
A) Through amazing scientific processes, all of this developed and evolved gradually thousands of years to become the incredible world we know today (as CharCharx has explained this is not blind chance)
or
B) A magic man who we have no evidence for just made it appear
I think the first one is wonderous, I think the second is a rather dull cop out for someone who’s intellect cannot take it in.
Do not even attempt to turn around the bigotry comment, you wrote a post expressing joy at people dying because for no reasonn you have decided to discriminate against every specific group you can think of that you are not a part of.
CharCharx said
Ha! Wow, I really should have read your blog BlueOllie, I like you
I’ve been wondering for ages whether this was a troll or not, I hope that you’re all just joking or is it only you BlueOllie?
TheOriginalAnon said
Though intelligence, of course, is not marked on believe in God either.
However, I think Tiffany could be the real thing (I see more to support that), it’s just likely due to the way she was raised. I think it’s a shame, really, how people can use something to fuel such fiery, hostile and hateful lives.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
You are absolutely right. My upbringing had a lot to do with the person I’ve become. I was raised by two loving, hard-working, compassionate but strict parents, who taught me morality, a sense of purpose and strong, ethical principles. If you’re like most atheists I’ve read about, you undoubtedly had an abusive or neglected childhood or were raised by foster parents or in an orphanage. There must be some explanation for your rebellion against God. I will pray for you, time permitting.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Sigh…evidently people have read the fake blog that some stupid Mexican writes….he is attempting to smear me.
Fortunately, My Savior knows the truth.
Yeah, I admit that there was a time when I was lost (see my remarks about my Navy days; serving our country is fine but the “sailor in port stuff” wasn’t) but now I have seen the light.
Shocked Silly said
571. Upbringing is not the only answer. Free will? It sounds like we could have had the same parents… I wouldn’t say I am an atheist, but I definitely don’t fit into your idea of a Christian. So, when the time comes, I’ll be sent to burn forever with my friends.
Why did I reject your beliefs? For one, I see no proof of God, as you define Him. I guess that means I have no Faith. Being from a scientific background, I can’t risk the lives of my fellow citizens on my faith that something will be safe.
And the blind hate, bigotry and ignorance I see from Fundys reinforces the idea that yes, your God should be rebelled against. Does that put me on the side of Lucifer? I guess so, yes. Does that mean I worship Someone that creates destruction and feeds on hate? No, that is what you seem to do.
I do see something in the universe that is way beyond chance, and way beyond the work of one bearded white man in the sky.
Bryan said
“I couldn’t care less what you think of me. My faith is between God and me, and God wouldn’t give your opinion one nanosecond of thought either. This much is certain: when people like you are hurled into the furnace of hell, you won’t be there five seconds before you are sorry you didn’t believe.“
Its a good thing there IS NO HELL. So, you`re wrong right off the bat… that much is NOT certain. And you cannot prove or persuade any rational human being otherwise.
We`re all quite aware that you do not care at all what we thoughtful, compassionate, humane people think of you. We are all very aware that you give no thought of the implications of your actions and beliefs. To be honest, I dont care one bit what what you think. I dare say, nobody but your `brothers` care about that. Its what you do; it`s your implementation of your ideals into the world we all have to live in that we care about.
TheOriginalAnon said
Tiffany, I am sure people from many other religions have a similar upbringing as yours into their religion. But my upbringing was not abusive, I too was raised by loving parents (and an older brother and sister) who taught me morality and strong ethical values – though some you may disagree with, but they did not teach me religion, they left me to decide for myself, they gave me the free will to learn for myself – they both came from Christian backgrounds (though the years have pushed them away from it) but they believed that telling me what to believe is no way to raise me, as I’d only believe what they’d tell me, as the children of Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs etc. do. I did actually believe in God as a child, but the more I learned about Christianity, the less I believed in it. It’s not a rejection of God but not finding him because the only things that ‘tell’ me that he exists are those involved with 2,000 years of tradition and a 2,000 year old book and I’ve never found that reliable enough to ‘prove’ anything, I can see how faith can effect that for people, but faith and proof are different things and faith can’t ‘confirm’ anything, just reinforce a belief.
So how can reject something that you don’t even believe it exists. Perhaps that’s where your perception of atheism is wrong, we’re not rejectors of God but people who are unable to believe in one. The opposite of theism.
I also find that fundamentalist religion is a dangerous thing because it has lead to things such as child abuse (you’ve pulled out quotes in the bible to support that), neglection, violence, prejudice and racism. I’ve never had a problem with faith, just what people use it for and how they use it as an excuse for those things. That’s why I am persistent in attacking this board. You’re the only kind of fundamentalists in the world, we have the pentacostals, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Westboro baptists, certain types of evangelicals, certain catholic groups, fundamentalist Islam and a list of others. I am certain that you dislike some of those groups and certainly the Islamic fundamentalists are a danger to you. So I hope you can see where we’re coming from?
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Porkys revenge said
Loving parents or selectively loving parents? Did they raise you to love everyone just like you but detest and discriminate against others? Was one of those moral principles racism?
I love the fact atheists are “people you’ve read about”, you really have had a sheltered little life havent you? Maybe your parents should have encouraged you to mix a little more with other people.
I had a very happy and loving childhood, my parents are both atheist’s but unlike christian parents who tend to brainwash from a young age, they let me decide my views for myself. They also raised me not to be ignorant enough to have the kind of racist and discriminatory views you have.
Well said shocked silly, particularly the discussion of Lucifer vs God, Tiff you may want to think about your idea of Satan, cruel, mass murdering, judgemental and vengeful perhaps? Sounds very much like your God.
Sounds very similar to me Anon =) I appreciate that my parents didn’t push me either way and believed in God during the ages I also believed in other imaginary friends. However i grew up, learned about science and the world and realised there was no evidence for a God and plenty of evidence against.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Porky,
You’re such an idiot. Of course, my parents never introduced me to atheists. They also never introduced me to murderers, rapists, child molesters, robbers, homos or Muslims (i.e., terrorists). And yet, I did develop negative attitudes about people who break God’s laws. And yes, I am proud of those attitudes. I couldn’t care less whether you can them “hatred” or anything else. They are attitudes that are grounded in the Bible, and they are attitudes I will always hold.
As for racism, rubbish! There isn’t a racist bone in any member of my family. We have hired Negroes to work in our house, wetbacks to work in our yards, gooks to do our dry cleaning…heck, we even hire Christ-killers to handle our accounting and legal services. If you took a pair of binoculars and looked over our the first fence into our yards or kitchen, you’d see more minorities than you’d see in the crowd at a Utah Jazz basketball game. A while back, I even let my children play with some of the colored kids, so long as they didn’t bring them into the house. I even had our maid, LaWanda, supervise them.
Regarding your upbringing, your parents didn’t raise you to be a Christian because your parents are Godless trash, just as you became. If they were Christian, they would believe you will fry in hell for eternity if you fail to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. To allow you to grow up without instilling love and respect for the Lord would be the ultimate act of child abuse.
You atheists love to criticize Christians for judging you. And what do you do thereafter? You turn right around and judge Christians. No wonder Jesus called your kind “hypocrites,” (as well as “fools, “vipers” and “serpents”) (Matthew 23:17-37).
Tiffany
Porkys revenge said
Well then I’m not an idiot, I summed it up pretty well when I said you’ve had a sheltered little life
your parents brainwashed you and managed to keep you from finding out about the real world by never introducing you to anyone remotely different to yourself as that might be too much of a shock for poor little Tiff. Your ignorance is partly excused on that level, if my parents had constricted me in such a way and never let me see the real world perhaps I would believe the bigoted nonsense you do.
Until you get a grip, go out into the real world and try meeting someone a little bit different you cannot claim to hate any of these groups because you know absolutely nothing about them, your parents must have found it far easier to make enemies out of people you’ve never met. And maybe your anger is partly frustration, I would be very frustrated if I’d had the narrow minded sheltered life you’ve had. I, unlike you have met Christians and people of different sexualities and races and therefore I’m not ignorant and naively afraid of them, they are people, race and sexuality and religion are inconsequential, there are people I like and people I dont but we are all humans, though some are more intelligent than others as you’ve shown.
Your racism paragraph however pushes me back to my conclusion this isn’t you anyway and that you are in fact an atheist, you cannot possibly be ignorant enough to write that load of nonsense, it’s hilariously satirical and ironic so if this is a parody, I commend you. I would comment on if it’s not but I can’t bring myself to believe a human being who is capable of reading at least one book can actually be that mind numbingly stupid.
My parents are evidently a lot more intelligent than yours and they have at least lived in the real world and mixed with people of various backgorunds, and not as their servants but as their friends. They have the intelligence and thought to not believe in something there is no evidence for and the good manners and decency to raise me never to write such a hatred filled, bigotted load of nonsense as your swine flu rant. So honestly nothing you say about them could bother me because frankly I’d be far more offended if they were your kind of people.
Oddly enough I wont cry myself to sleep about the fact your saviour who I dont believe in once said in a fictional book that he didnt like me that much but then as an atheist I’m sure you feel the same =D
Tiffany Wellsley said
Porky the Pig,
I love your philosophy: no one has the right to hold an opinion on anything unless they’ve been out in the real world and encountered it. Unless I have actually sat in a crack den while people were puffing on their pipes, I have no right to condemn cocaine use. Unless I’ve actually harbored a murderer in my home, I really shoudln’t condemn murderers. And unless I give necrophilia a whirl and have relations with a few corpses at the funeral home, I really have no business criticizing those who have sex with the dead.
Do you know how ridiculous that position is. I have never been raped, never seen a rape and never known a rapist. Does that mean I shouldn’t have any opinion about rape?
I hold the views I do because I am one with the Lord, and He guides me to follow His perfect will as expressed in the KJV 1611 Holy Bible. You believe in nothing, so you hold values that you pull out of thin air. Forgive me for not applauding your absolute moral relativism.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Oh Sister Tiffany:
“I have never been [unChristian r word deleted], never seen a [unChristian r word deleted] and never known a [unChristian r word deleted]”
Dear heavens, I am so sorry that the cruel Porky lead you astray enough to use that horrible “r” word. Please, I might expect Sister June or Warrior Jodie to use such language.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
I know it was rather harsh language. But sometimes you have to drop into the gutter momentarily to communicate with illiterate, learning-disabled trash like Porky. I doubt he would understand the concept of “U.S.E.” In his trailer park, the “r” word is undoubtedly something he does whenever his first cousin comes to visit, and the rest of his family is shooting beer cans off the big tree stump beneath the community clothes line near the septic tank. “R” to those people is as common as eating a Slim Jim.
Tiffany
blueollie said
Of course Sister Tiffany, I should have never questioned your sound, Christ Centered judgment.
As the Apostle once said: “when in Rome, do as the Romans”. Sometimes we do have to “speak their language” as they have a very limited vocabulary.
TheOriginalAnon said
Wait USE (yes I looked it up on this site, which is a sickening way of looking at the ‘r-word’ because it makes it sound like a good thing)? You are opposed to this ‘r’ word? What is so offensive about the ‘r’ word? I am fairly sure that a while back a member of this board complained about how politically correct liberals as they don’t like the word ‘nigger’ because it’s offensive, but that’s not a word that is too politically correct because its usage can offend a good number of people, what does the r-word do? That sounds like political correctness to match the UK’s where non-offensive words are made ‘bad’ because they ‘may’ offend some people without actually meaning to be offensive.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
Some words and phrases are simply not appropriate for public reference. If a woman is sitting at the table with friends, discussing her married life, she might say, “My husband and I haven’t been intimate in a while.” She wouldn’t say, “My husband and I have not had intercouse in a while” or “My husband hasn’t penetrated my vagina with his penis in some time.” The first sentence is appropriate; the second two, though technically correct, are not appropriate. If the woman needs to leave the room to expel waste material, she would say, “Pardon me. I need to use the restroom.” She would not say, “Pardon me while I go have a bowel movement” or “Pardon me while I go excrete the feces from my rectal cavity.”
It’s a matter of class and showing some respect for the people around you. Decent people don’t use the “r” word in social circles. Now, I realize that self-centered atheists couldn’t care less what other people think, but to those of us (Christians) who strive to be good hosts and guests, consideration of others’ sensibilities is important.
Tiffany
Porkys revenge said
I didn’t say it applied to anything and everything. Disliking murderers and rapists comes from their actions, your dislike of… atheists, people of other religions or races or branches of the christian church, people who support different political parties and anyone else you can think of who is in any way different to you… is not based on any facts about their actions, it is pure assumption about their character. You judge people when you have no idea what kind of lives they have, what they think or do, because of one minor characteristic you claim not to like despite the fact you have never met anyone of the sort.
Most atheist’s are not murderers or rapists or any other kind of criminal. You don’t agree with their beliefs, which you clearly know nothing about, and from that judge an entire group of people you have never even met one of and assume you dislike them.
I don’t believe in nothing, I believe in science and facts I see evidence for. I believe humans can help each other if they get of their arses and do something instead of sitting around praying to something that doesn’t exist. I don’t believe in God purely because it’s convinient and my brain can’t cope with a more complex explanation. Instead I have thought through my beliefs and bothered to question and think about my views based on evidence and fact. Evidently your brain isn’t capable of that level of thought, you just jumped at the easy answer, no need to think anything out if you just listen to everything mummy and daddy tell you and never question anything. Excuse me if I don’t applaud your ignorance and the fact you’re too lazy to use brain capacity or develop intelligence.
I love you trailer park explanation, evidently as well as the rest of your sheltered brainwashed life, you’ve never set foot outside America, what you described would be your American white trash, I don’t live in America. if you look at an Atlas you might be able to see there are OTHER continents in world, then again don’t try to overload yourself.
You irritate me Tiff but more than that, I pity you, if I had had you’re pathetic little life I would probably be sheltered, naive and ignorant too so I genuinely feel sorry for you, you can’t help being an imbecile with the way your parents obviously brainwashed you so don’t you worry your little head about all these nasty atheists, must be quite scary for poor little Tiff.
TheOriginalAnon said
Don’t kid yourself Tiffany.
The ‘r’ word isn’t something you’d talk about in a simple dining situation, I can’t imagine talking to a guest and the conversation going from “Jeff’s got a new job” to “Oh, yes, my daughter was ‘r’-word last week”, it’s not a casual word, neither is it graphic nor offensive nor is it uncivilised to say, though the act itself is cruel and disgusting. I know what polite and civilised speech is, I just fail to see where the ‘r’ word and USE fit into it. USE makes the act sound a whole lot more casual and unimportant; “Oh last week I was walking back from the dinner party and you know what? There was a man down an alley and he asked for the time, as I was a bit lady like I thought I’d tell him and the next thing I knew he took advantage and I had an unplanned sexual encounter, but less about my week, what about yours dear?”
Rape is a much more traumatic effect than that, what next, unplanned fatal encounter because the word ‘murder’ is not light enough for conversation? Or instead of adultery, lets have secret love encounter.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Hypocrite (aka Anon),
You have the social skills of a maggot. The fact that an expression is more forceful does not make it socially appropriate. Saying, “My child needs to use your facilities” is not nearly as forceful as saying, “My child needs to take a dump.” Saying, “My friend needs a feminine hygiene product” is not nearly as forceful as saying, “My friend needs a cream to make her vagina stop itching.” Saying “Her husband has intimacy problems” is not as nearly as forceful as saying, “Her husband can’t get his tallywhacker up.” (Pardon me for these expressions, but they’re important to make a point.)
The most forceful expression is not always the best — at least among those of us in quality social circles. The fact that you believe the most graphic terminology should be used merely establishes somewhat conclusively that, to put it mildly, you’re utterly classless.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
So what do you say in the case of murder? Given murder is quite forceful. But the simple matter is, I would not drop it into casual conversation, because the issue itself is quite major, the r-word is not like using the toilet and nothing like saying “my friend needs a cream to make her vagina stop itching”, the rude way of putting the r-word would be to say, “my daughter had a stranger rip her shirt off and shove his penis into her vagina several times without her consent and caused her severe trauma”, (apologies for the graphic description, but they should illustrate the point) using the r-word does not speak of the act in any graphic detail but merely is a word that notifies a person of the horrible act that took place – all USE does is make the word sound much more casual and an act that at all doesn’t sound unpleasant and represents the acts to be nowhere near as bad, it isn’t dropping any kind of description or graphic imagery, just making it sound not so much of a big deal. If you were ever to use the r-word it would be in quite a serious situation, not whilst you’re having dinner, or hosting guests or anything like that.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Hypocrite (aka “Original” Anon),
I don’t use the “r” word, the “c” word, the “f” word or even the “n” word (though I understand the latter is controversial). You can egg me on all you want, but you won’t drag me into the gutter with you.
Tiffany
blueollie said
591: Bless you Sister Tiffany for being the epitome of Christian Female Virtue.
Also: Porky’s Revenge and Original Anonymous: shame on you for not treating a lady with proper respect. If you weren’t cowering behind a computer screen, I’d slap you in the face with a glove and challenge you to a duel.
TheOriginalAnon said
I would not use the ‘c’ word or the ‘n’ word unless it was absolutely necessary (perhaps only in explanation), you seem to try and focus representing me as being a gutter-mouthed, uncultural piece of filth who does not understand the meaning of the word ‘pleasant’ or ‘polite’. The ‘r’ word is not a curse word, USE is no official meaning of it, just something conjured up by your ilk and made into a curse word, but only to your social circles and I do not understand the reasoning as to why it has been changed into a curse as it was not one in the first place. Saying “She was r-word-d” is like saying “he was murdered”, not like “That man is a c-word” (Assuming you and I are talking about the same c-word) or “Hey n-word make those floors squeaky clean”.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Hypocrite (aka Anon),
Decent people have decided the “r” word is harsh and has nasty connotations that they do not wish to visit, just as many have decided the “c” and “n” words do. There is nothing inherent in the four letters of the “c” word that make it unpleasant. It has simply been used to describe something that is ordinarily not a part of polite conversation. The “r” word is the same. The act involved is unwanted and can be very messy, ruining expensive clothing and sometimes injuring the woman. It is also used as an excuse by abortion-lovers to sanction the murder of babies. It therefore has unpleasant connotations. We prefer referring to it as an “unplanned sexual event” (“U.S.E.”), which it certainly is, so we needn’t think of those nasty connotations.
If the victim is speaking to her doctor or the police, she is free to use whatever language she wants. But in civilized circles, she is not — unless, of course, she’s gutter trash.
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
So has it just taken that negative effect for you guys because of the pro-life and pro-choice arguments in the US? If so then I can understand why it is offensive to you, though not agree, but I’ll understand why it changed and why it was decided that it was offensive and thus the word become a taboo.
Though as far as those pro-choice; it’s unfair to refer to them as abortion-lovers, given they’re not arguing ‘pro-choice’ because they love to have abortions, they’re no way as sick as that, and well the pro-choice argument has different levels of supports, there are those who say ‘yeah, go ahead, it’s up to the mother’, yet it’s not the case for all of them, given there are types of pro-choice who believe abortion should be used in extreme measures (say, if they mother was going to die or if the mother and child were to die) and some less so extreme – there’s psychological trauma, or deformation (where the child will have a disability that will completely ruin their quality of life), as for ‘baby killers’ that argument also depends on how developed somebody has to be human – remember when you have sex all, only one of the sperm makes it out alive, whilst all those potentional lives die in the womb. Though I don’t want to turn this into any sort of debate (hence I’ve not demonstrated my own views on abortion), but show that pro-life guys like yourself always over-simplify the pro-choice views.
Porkys revenge said
Tiff, we get it, you’re a prude, it doesn’t remotely defend any of your other opinions but it’s amusing you’re turning this into a vocabulary lesson to distract from the fact you have no arguement on the actual topic.
Anon- “gutter-mouthed, uncultural piece of filth” Good description of Tiff but a bit insensitive, she’s probably reading this
Tiff I love the fact you’re ok with the phrase “murder of babies” but the word rape horrifies you.
I agree with Anon, nobody is “pro abortion” people just think the woman that is going to go through the pregnancy for 9 months and then raise the child for life should have some say.
blueollie said
595: “I agree with Anon, nobody is “pro abortion” people just think the woman that is going to go through the pregnancy for 9 months and then raise the child for life should have some say.”
She has a say: BEFORE SHE GETS KNOCKED UP.
That’s the problem: too many women are promiscuous. Check out Prophetess Debbie’s USE post.
There is just too much of this being allowed (don’t click unless your faith is strong)
Remember that sluts, tramps, harlots, whores, exhibitionists and perverts will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God (except for Sister June)
Tiffany Wellsley said
Porky the Pig,
You wrote: “I agree with Anon, nobody is “pro abortion” people just think the woman that is going to go through the pregnancy for 9 months and then raise the child for life should have some say.”
That’s such a good point. If a mother has to make sacrifices, like contributing part of her body and “rais[ing] the child for life,” she should have some say over whether it lives or dies. But why stop with unborn babies? Why can’t the mother of a two-year old daughter who just can’t figure out how to perform a plie at ballet class, just kill the daughter without government interference? After all, the mother is the one is has to “raise the child for life,” so shouldn’t she have some say as to whether the girl lives or dies? And hey, when there’s an “F” on the report card, what mother shouldn’t have the right to implement a death penalty sanction (literally) since she has to “raise the child for life”?
Your argument is stupid. It begs the question. The question is where life begins. If it begins at conception (which it does), then there is no difference between the examples I’ve given and abortion. The fact that one has made sacrifices for another does not give the person the right to kill the other.
Sometimes I wonder why I even bother responding to imbeciles like you.
Tiffany
Megan said
How can you be so hateful to other races and cultures while claiming to represent God?
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galations 3:28
Tiffany Wellsley said
Megan,
Read a little further in the New Testament.
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).
“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet” (Romans 1:26-27).
Tiffany
TheOriginalAnon said
BlueOllie,”She has a say: BEFORE SHE GETS KNOCKED UP. ”
There is always a problem with that train of thought. What about when abortion is the lesser evil? Abortionists focus so much on the people going out and getting knocked up putting the matter of ‘choice’ into play before they get knocked up trying to turn around the phrase ‘pro-choice’ against them, yet complete ignore the other situations, where choice isn’t involved or even when the evil is lesser. I would only agree with abortion in those instances, not as freely as a person wants it.
TheOriginalAnon said
Sorry, I meant anti-abortionists.
But the guys here seem so intent on acting in the example of their God, alongside what Jesus taught (though I personally still find the latter part debatable, but that one has already been discussed) so I would assume that if miscarriages happen then their view on abortion should be more lax than my own, because isn’t a miscarriage just an abortion made by God instead? The question is, how much of God’s example do you want to follow?
blueollie said
601: “The question is, how much of God’s example do you want to follow?”
You just proved our point. If an abortion is really needed, God will do it!
TheOriginalAnon said
To counter that; if punishment for sin is really needed, God will do it! So do we need to intervene by having laws and punishments for those who break them? You don’t need to follow God’s example and just let God get on with it, right?
blueollie said
Actually, God orders us to do it and punishes us when we don’t.
Example: here
That’s right: WE have to rid ourselves of the sinners or suffer the consequences!
Now of course, we will form a Scott Roeder defense fund, right?
Porkys revenge said
A foetus is not a two year old child, it is a bunch of cells that lives of the body of the mother as a parasite. It cannot breathe or function by itself and is therefore not a living human. Pregnancy is also not the same as raising a child, it puts an immense physical and mental strain on the mother and complications in pregnancy or childbirth could result in her death, are you happy to kill the mother to save a bunch of cells?
You can’t say “which it does” when the world’s brightest minds cannot firmly decide where life begins. I think it begins at birth therefore your examples are irrelevant and where’s your proof to say otherwise? We cannot for sure define where life and human rights begin but we know the mother is living and has human rights and as such she should not be forced through pregnancy and labour against her will just to gratify your self righteous, ignorant opinions.
BlueOllie- Thanks for pointing out the apathy of Christianity, don’t worry, God will do it!
No need to cure cancer or sort out world famine, God’s got it covered he’s just going a bit slowly and a few million are dying in the meantime.
blueollie said
605; “We cannot for sure define where life and human rights begin”
That’s right. But God can and he told us (never mind what the Papists said in the 19′th century about “quickening”)
PS: what is a “foetus”??? Remember this is America and here we write “fetus”; we don’t use Satanic deviant spellings even if some old British guy puts that in the dictionary.
And yes, God does let some people die and others live.
Porkys revenge said
Hmm that would be a good point if it weren’t for the fact GOD DOESNT EXIST!And you have no proof whatsoever to suggest he does. The Flying Spaghetti Monster could condone homocide (technically he does if it’s in the name of piracy) but I doubt you’d be happy to have a law based on that.
Err “this is America” is a really stupid thing to write on the internet, it’s the WORLD WIDE WEB, just because you’re sitting in America, doesn’t mean I am. I refuse to dumb down my spelling because your brain can’t cope with an extra letter.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Porky the Pig,
You wrote: “I refuse to dumb down my spelling because your brain can’t cope with an extra letter.”
Perhaps you ought to read some of your posts. You consistently misspell words, even by nancy boy English standards. Murder is called “homicide,” not “homocide,” though I’m not at all surprised that your fingers would automatically type an “o” after “hom.” You undoubtedly have much experience typing “homo.”
Tiffany
blueollie said
607: What part of “Conservative Christians ONLY. Liberals, Atheists Not Welcomed” do you not understand? You don’t see us trolling on some cricket blog, do you? You don’t see us bothering you? So why bother us?
Go away. Stay on your “redundant letters” blog.
Porkys revenge said
Tiff- Being able to spot that a word is spelt wrong doesn’t make you a genius dear, I consider your ignorance of the route of words more of a sign of your lack of intelligence than if you spelt a word incorrectly. Homocide is not the correct spelling but it is actually more logical considering it comes from the word homo meaning human being in Latin. Homo does not actually mean gay, Homo in greek means “the same” which is where homosexuality comes from, same sex love. Calling someone a homo is either calling them a human being or the same, neither of which is particularly offensive. This is complex language though and I’m sure your tiny narrow upbringing didn’t reach that far with education so don’t you worry your little head about it. Here in good old “Nancy boy England” we generally use the word murder but considering you know so little about other countries and language I don’t want to confuse you too much
Ble Ollie- Actually I do, atheist blogs and websites are filled with crazy ranting Christians so I’m just returning the favour.
TheOrginalSecondAnon said
Damn! Hoping that Tiffany would be dead by now. Guess we will have to wait a lil more time till it happens.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Porky,
I read your last post and just realized something shocking — you actually think you’re bright. You’ve left the dumbest, most mind-numbing ideas on this board. And your posts reveal abject illiteracy. Yet, you think you’re smart. Oh, my! You’re like one of those preliminary competitors on “American Idol” (or “Britain’s Got Talent”) who are absolutely horrendous but think they are incredibly skilled. Face it, Porky, at best, you’re mired in terminal mediocrity.
Honestly, I’ll never understand how clueless so many people are about their own limitations.
Tiffany
CM said
Keep talking… the great thing about people like you, is you help Republicans and conservatives look even worse.
Porkys revenge said
Tiff, whilst “Illiteracy” may be your favourite word, you don’t actually seem to know what it means. And though your favourite childhood past time may have been scouring texts for the odd incorrect spelling, some of us were out there getting a life. I know that makes poor little Tiff feel sad and alone but you just need to deal with it, nobody cares.
I think im intelligent, yes, I’m not arrogant about it but having people like you posting would make a 5 year old child feel intelligent. I love the fact you used American Idol, a perfect example of your idea of intelligence and culture evidently. You really are shooting yourself in the foot by trying to to make this about intelligence. You are supposedly a Christian who compared the virgin Mary to Diana Ross and commented on God’s inaccuracy in vengeance, you are really not in a position to insult anyone intelligence. Besides which, you are a racist and racism is pure ignorance.
this is funny said
This website is really funny.June Gordon is my favorite.Her posts are so freakin funny I want to see her post more stuff.last night I was reading the one were she said she had swine flu and was asking for money,lol
Tiffany Wellsley said
Funny,
We’ll see how loudly you laugh as the flesh roasts off your bones. You won’t be in hell five seconds before your guffaws turn into tears.
Tiffany
this is funny said
ok,see ya there.
Laura Bass said
Dear Tiffany,
Do you remember the story of Jesus at the well with a woman deemed to be unclean by society…or Mary M.? Both guilty by society of being unclean. However, Jesus died for sinners(even the worst kind). The greatest commandment was to love one another as we love ourselves. You obviously have a lot of anger in your heart towards certain people. If this has been caused by some victimization by someone from these groups I pray that God will help you to forgive them. Anger hurts the angry. I’m sure you have the best intentions, but by judging others you are leaving yourself open to judgement. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I will be praying for God to help you with the internal struggles that you may not even be aware of.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Laura,
I know this will probably go right over your head, because you obviously aren’t very bright. Your mentality undoubtedly extends to the depth of a Hallmark greeting card. If asked to interpret anything more complicated, I suspect you’d just fall back on your “I’m OK, you’re OK” simplistic ideology. Indeed, “Horton Hears a Who” was probably Einstein-like material to you. I’m actually writing this so that a few of the other people on this board who share your naive mentality (the operative word being “few”) will understand it. As to you, just drop your jaw and go back to the makeup wheel and manhunting.
Please try to understand — the fact that someone doesn’t love every depraved jackass in this world doesn’t mean the person has been victimized. One doesn’t have to suffer abuse to know that there are a lot of unworthy people on this planet. Jesus recognized that, Himself, as I have revealed with a plethora of Bible verses in a post on another recent thread on this board that you are probably too lazy to read (since it would take someone like you hours to do so). In fact, those who love everyone, and think we should overlook all the sin and depravity in the world, are the truly sick people.
Let me see how I can make this as simple as possible for the likes of you. Watch the episode of the original “Star Trek” series called “The Return of the Archons.” Actually, that would be too complicated for you. Watch the simplistic and recent Nicole Kidman movie, “The Invasion.” People like you are just a few of the masses in that mediocre film who are willing to overlook every atrocity they see just to be able to say, “I love everyone.” I thank the Lord every day that most people aren’t like you, for if they were, the world would be an absolutely miserable place in which anyone could live.
Frankly, women like you shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce since the horrendous worldview in which you will attempt to indoctrinate your children will make them either evil or miserable for their entire lives. You disgust me (and you make Jesus weep). I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, but I fear you’re destined for hell. But I’ll pray that the Lord spares you (time permitting).
Tiffany
Laura Bass said
Tiffany,
There are these things called the 10 commandments. One of them says, “thou shalt not hate.” You can’t pick and choose which parts of the Bible you like. It’s all relevant. Yes, we all run the risk of going to hell. However, that isn’t decided until judgement day. Obviously, you understand loving everyone is not easy. I don’t walk around with a big sappy grin on my face and tell everyone I love them. There are those who are easier to love than others. I just try to live my life the way Jesus would. I am far from perfect, but it makes me love Jesus the much more. Sorry, I haven’t watched Star Trek or The Invasion. I’d rather live life than sit in front of a tv.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Laura,
In addition to “borderline retarded buffoon,” we can now add “pathological liar” to your resume. Contrary to your emphatic claim otherwise, not one of the Ten Commandments says, “Thou shalt not hate.” Not one even comes close. In fact, none of the Ten Commandments address hate at all. You just made up your claim. You really are just gutter trash, aren’t you?
Well, at least everyone here will know not to trust a word you say. I don’t suppose you’d forward the links to all the other message boards on which you participate, so we can alert them to your status as a perpetual liar? (Of course, not. You don’t have anywhere near enough character for that.)
You truly are a horrible piece of dog manure. I will pray thanks to God tonight for sparing me the burden of ever having to encounter trash like you.
Tiffany
Laura Bass said
10 commandments- it depends on which translation you have. Some say thou shalt not kill. Some say thou shalt not hate. God says hate is the same as murder. You can hate someone’s sin, not the person. Insult me all you want. I’m slow to anger darling.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Laura,
Oh, my! You really are a pathological liar. LOL! There is NO vervsion of the Christian Bible that interprets “thou shalt not kill” in the Book of Exodus (where the Ten Commandments are located) to mean “thou shalt not hate.” No version has ever done so. Second, God never said hate is the same as murder, and you can cite no Book, chapter and verse suggesting such. Again, you just made that up. And finally, this “hate the sin but not the sinner” nonsense appears on high school football banners and in internet chat rooms but finds no support in the Bible.
No need to insult you, love. You are obviously totally ignorant of the Bible, and to make up for that fact, you simply lie about its contents. You’re your own worst enemy.
Tiffany
Sellars said
Teacher, which is the greatest commandment of the Law? Jesus replied: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment, and the second is like it, love your neighbor as yourself.” All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt. 22:36-40, Deut. 6:5, Lev. 19:18 NIV
We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in Him. 1 John 3:14-15 NIV
Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy: without holiness no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. Hebrews 12:14-15 NIV
What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you? James 4:1 NIV
Brother’s do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. There is only One Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you-who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12 NIV
Jesus Teaches about Loving Enemies
“You have heard that it was said, “Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in Heaven.He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Matt. 5:43-46 NIV
God’s Love and Ours
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed His love among us: He sent His one and only Son into the world that we might live through Him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son as atoning
sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God, but if we love one another, God lives in us and His love is made complete in us. 1 John 4:7-12 NIV
If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is The Son of God, God lives in Him and He in God. 1 John 4:15 NIV
GOD IS LOVE 1 John 4:16b
We love because He first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God’” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And He has given us this command:Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1 John 4:19-21 NIV
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have etenal life. John 3:16 NIV
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 NIV
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NIV
But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8 NIV
That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. Romans 10:9-10 NIV
For, “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:13
The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and ALL who live in it. Psalm 24:1
Tiffany Wellsley said
WARNING TO TRUE CHRISTIANS!
Do NOT read the above post. I noticed in the first passage that this pseudo-Christian was quoting the flawed and often wholly inaccurate New International Version Bible. Everyone knows the NIV blatantly distorts the Word of God and is something a real Christian wouldn’t allow within miles of his home. I suspect this “Sellars” person was sent here by Satan himself. In any event, until he/she/it quotes the King James Version 1611 Holy Bible, no one should read his posts.
Tiffany
JCUK said
Actually, GodLovesTheUSA, the United Kingdom have a higher standard of living than the USA.
Just look at New Orleans.
Diro said
Swine flu has spread because of Christians’ habit of eating disgusting pigs. Now you are spreading it across the globe. I know what I will do. I am going to stay away from pig eaters and those who consort with them like untouchables from now on.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Another stupid Jew who thinks pork is the cause of all human woes. Of course, the good news from the post is that the moron is going to stay away from all good, God-fearing Christians. What a shame the rest of his kind can’t promise to do the same.
Bhanu said
@ Author: Infantile, grow up!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Bhanu,
Let us know when you’ve joined the adult and American worlds. When that occurs, we’ll direct messages to you, specifically. But it appears right now that you’re little more than a child, committed to calling people mean names like “infantile,” as one would expect a child to do. We’d really like to interact with you, but not until you demonstrate you’re not just a little kid.
Tiffany
Jerry said
You blind ignorant hate worshiping freaks almost make me want to [foul obscenity by classless redneck deleted] a [outrageous idol worship obscenity term removed] up the [more obscenity deleted]. Get a life and leave [sic] people live the way they choose. God is not going to punish you if you stop perseverating [completely inappropriate use of this term by someone who thinks if he uses big words, albeit incorrectly, he'll make us think he's smart--LOL!] over other people’s actions/beliefs. Trust me, the nation would be better off if you could redirect your fear of [scatological obscenity removed] you don’t understand towards yourself. Oh, and the [obscenity deleted] beauty pageants for toddlers are fodder for child pornographers. Learn some common [obscenity deleted] sense.
[Moderator's note: Pardon me a moment, but was there a point to all that nonsense, Rose Nylund of St. Olaf?]
Hemanshu said
Granted, the tsunami was a fairly powerful sanction on those Orientals who worship everything from cows to obese men with feet where their hands should be.
You must be the most ignorant Christian I have met.. one that doesn’t respect other religions or beliefs.. “Retarded ignorant” is the word for you.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Excuse me, Hemanshu (It that Oriental, Indian or just plain Satanic? (pardon the redundancy there)),
Dear child, we have never met. So how can you say I am the most ignorant anything you’ve ever met? Might I suggest that you watch your temper and refrain from lashing out at people you don”t even know? Your post suggests you are in desperate need of a 12-step anger management program. They have them free of charge in most communities. Please do not post again until you have fulfilled all 12 steps. Best of luck!
Tiffany
Is swine flu non-kosher? » Why Dont You Blog? said
[...] god of conservative Christians was busy smiting to put a stop to idol-worship rather than pig-eating. Republican faith Chat said: [...]
Rudy said
The person who submitted this online article is very confused. My friend, you are correct about idol worshipping, but hating people because of race has already condemned you.
If anyone is hated by God it is you. By the way, the mexicans work very hard, harder than you. Stop promoting your filth, only the devil’s people hear you. No one else. If anyone agrees with you, it is because they do not know God.
By the way, wrath is coming. I pray that you turn from your wickedness. Do not be deceived, God is not mocked. Read his word.
Here this may help cleanse the filth from your confused mind:
[Moderator's note: Filthy, Satanic video deleted.]
Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be called the sons of God. You my friend, are not of God. He does not know you. You belong to Satan. Satan will deal with you.
[Even filthier, more Satanic video deleted. This is your last warning. Continued attacks on Christianity by attaching such videos will result in you being banned from this board.]
Tiffany Wellsley said
Rudy, the Homo,
You are clearly either a sodomite or an atheist. No real man would write to a lady the way you did. Your writing is weak and unpersuasive, so I doubt you’re an atheist. Plus, your writing has a definite feminine twinge. So, you’re obviously a nancy boy.
How dare you say God hates me. God loves all his children. You’re the wicked one, serving Satan by telling ladies that God hates them. You are truly despicable.
And by the way, moron, Jesus said: “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword” (Matthew 10:34). Note that I quote the Bible verbatim and cite the verses, in contrast to a Satanist like you who distorts the Lord’s Word and is too much of a coward even to cite the verses he’s distorting. Blasphemers like you are the lowest scum known to man.
Go to hell. Go directly to hell. Do not pass “Go.” Do not collect $200. ($200 is undoubtedly more than a beatnik like you has ever earned in a week.)
Tiffany
P.S. The only hard work Mexicans perform is swimming across the Rio Grande so they can their names to our welfare rolls.
JFC said
Tif,
What are you talking about?
“You are clearly either a sodomite or an atheist. No real man would write to a lady the way you did. Your writing is weak and unpersuasive, so I doubt you’re an atheist. Plus, your writing has a definite feminine twinge. So, you’re obviously a nancy boy.”
How do you come to these conclusions?
You are delusional.
Tiffany Wellsley said
JFC,
You asked, “How do you come to these conclusions?” My post explained my methodology in the most precise terms I know. If you’re too dense to understand them, there is nothing I can do to help you.
BTW, since you’re obviously a homo, too, you might just want to admit it rather than lose any more credibility denying it.
Tiffany
Jeremy said
We need Carlin on this topic!
Rudy said
The only good American, Brit, or German is on with a bullet between the eyes. Better yet, cook them and eat them.
So-called minorities not included.
Americans are the lowest form of filth one can imagine.
They need a good grilling, maybe 5 million degrees F.
That’ll teach theyre ignorant and malevolent hideous arses.
Rudy said
KIll every last one.
Cheri said
To anyone who may read this,
I have never left a post before I have never felt the need. Reading the hate in the words above I thought that it might be a good idea to say something. I’m not sure how you can talk about God. The God of love with such hateful words. God is love, and as christens we are called to be like Jesus who said the greatest commandment was to love the Lord your God with all you heart and with all you soul and with all you mind. The second of these is to love your neighbor as yourself. All I have to say is it might be time to start talking about something that is glorifying to God rather then of something that is not.
Rudy said
Oops. You are right. I was only speaking figuratively, but I apologize. I should not fight evil with evil. I apologize for the harsh words. Nonetheless, this babylon has done much wickedness both at home and abroad.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Cheri,
You are a disgusting, despicable phony. I am so sick of faux-Christians like you, who know nothing about the Bible or God except what you hear in sound bytes on TV or see on a billboard in your hick town. You pseudo-Christians run around saying “God is love, God is love,” as though that means we can all just sin with impugnity and God won’t care at all. Tell me, Cheri, didn’t the God of love drown the planet with the Great Flood, brutally killing every man, woman, child, infant and unborn baby, when people were misbehaving? Didn’t the God of love burn to death everyone living in Sodom and Gomorrah when the people were promiscuous? Didn’t the God of love kill every newborn child of a nation when he had a gripe with the country’s leader? Didn’t the God of love send two bears to maul to death a group of children for teasing a bald prophet? And didn’t the God of love promise eternal torture for those who refuse to accept His son as their personal Lord and Savior.
You’d better wake and smell the hellfire, Cheri, or you’ll be spending forever roasting in it.
Tiffany
P.S. Jesus demonstrated His own violent tendencies against those who failed to give Him his due. Let me know if you want me to cite specific verses.
John said
Does that affliction of Coprolalia help you to proselytize lost souls, Tiffany Wellsley[smile, with one raised eyebrow]?
Tiffany Wellsley said
John,
Congratulations! You used two more big words (one with four and one with five syllables). I’m very proud of you. Do copy your message and forward to your parents, grandparents, siblings and friends. After all, in your previous posts, you tried to use big words but just couldn’t get the hang of it. Here, you have almost used them correctly. Of course, Coprolalia does not apply because I do not use profanity or make inappropriate comments. My statements are grounded in the King James Version 1611 Holy Bible. If you think my writings are inappropriate, you’ll have to take that up with God, as I do not have authority to alter his teachings. Just please broach the subject when I am nowhere nearby.
Tiffany
John said
Actually looked the word up, eh? I kept that post short and simple so your mind and eyes wouldn’t suffer any great strain at reading it, and all you had to do was answer “no”, you know[smile].
You are such a hypocrite and a liar that I’m always satisfied with a boost to my ego at the reading of your posts. Your so wonderfully stereotypical.
“I do not use profanity or make inappropriate comments.”
Uh huh, Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight[grin].
If anyone else reading believes that, then I have many fine things that I would like to sell you.
Thank you for helping once again to prove my points about you within my post 17 within the blog titled “You All Know This Dirty Harlot?”. I have to go and do something important now, but I’ll come back and play with you again sometime…later.
Have a good evening everyone.
Tiffany Wellsley said
My, my John, what a bitter little post from such a bitter little man. “Liar.” “Hypocrite.” I’ve obviously gotten under your skin. But I take no pleasure in that unless it has brought you away from Satan and closer to the Lord. Praise His precious name!
John said
No Tiffany, you can’t get under my skin. I’d have to care about your thoughts for such a thing to happen. You’re not very good as a “fisher of men” because your “bait” is rotten.
Tiffany Wellsley said
John,
Again, your actions belie your words. If I wasn’t getting under your skin, you wouldn’t feel the need to go in search of my posts and attack me in response to every one, even those that have nothing to do with you. I am definitely getting to you…well, Jesus is getting to you. I’m a mere conduit. I hope you will soon confess and accept The Christ.
Regarding my technique of witnessing, let me make this very clear. This is not an episode of Romper Room. This is not Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood. This is real life — adult life. Phony Christians run around saying, “God is love, God is love” and get more people to join their church rolls so they can win that organ promised to the church with the most new members. But they have done nothing meaningful in the process. Instead, they’ve given people destined for hell false hope that they can continue to sin with impugnity and all is well with God because they uttered those magic words. Go ahead, bomb a federal courthouse or tall buildings in New York, molest a child, beat your wife — all is well, so long as you accepted Jesus at some time in your life.
Forgive me for not buying into the nonsense. I tell people the truth. God has historically killed those who defied His edicts, and He has promised a much worse fate for those folks, come Judgment Day — eternal burning and torment. Now, if I just uttered all these sickly sweet and Stuart Smalley-like platitudes — “God loves you, rapist, just for who you are” — I’d be doing a disservice to the Lord and those He’s trying to save.
Tiffany
John said
Tiffany Wellsley post 650,
Thank you for proving that the imagination doesn’t grow stagnant with age, for truly you are existing within a fantasy world. Or….perhaps your just taking some kind of medication that is altering your perception of reality and judgment of character?
I originally came here to answer the questions of anti-evolutionists[Who then suspiciously shut up about the matter.], but now I only come here for amusement. I put out a post and wait to see what silly response has been added later. In a way it’s almost like fishing.
Sorry to disappoint you Tiffany, but your not getting under my skin at all[After all, what did you think all of those words like "smile", "grin", "snicker"etc., that I add to my posts meant? It's because I think your funny, DUH!]even after I practically begged you within some of my posts to provide some actual evidence that your rude accusations and insults directed at me had any foundation of truth to them. I even offered the Christian website that I frequent so you would have the opportunity to review any of my posts for insult fodder, for crying out loud[grin]. It is easy to not take you seriously because your so much like a stereotype of everything that a Christian shouldn’t be, and because your just words upon a computer monitor[smile]. “Search your posts”? What are you talking about? If your referring to when I quote you within my responses then that’s so that readers will understand what exactly I’m responding to, everything else is research to help prove my points. I realize that your unfamiliar with the exercise of trying to find evidences to support your claims/insults, about other people but you really should give it a try sometime. You may surprise yourself[toothy grin]!
“I’m definitely getting to you…”
Are you trying to convince me, or yourself? I wouldn’t have been to awfully surprised if you’d also thrown in some fantasy of me feeling envy for you too, heh,heh.
“I’m a mere conduit.”
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure you are. You really came off that way with your arrogance, racism, and advocating of internment camps[smile, wink,wink.].
That was sarcasm, least you get confused again.
You were rude to me from the very start, just as your rude to many others from the very start, and I think you are in no position to convince anyone that they need to change their ways or suffer damnation. Try to change yourself FIRST. ORRRRRR[and this is for your friends here too] just keep being the kind of a person that any Atheist or non-Christian Theist/Deist would be happy to come to for reaffirmation of their faith[or lack of, respectively].
Besides, although I have nothing against this Middle Eastern Deity or the Christians and Jews that worship him, this Deity and the various theological belief systemsis not for me. I am contented with my own Deities. In time this way change, but should I ever decide to become a Christian it will not be due to the efforts of someone possessing character even remotely like yours.
Sorry, you just have to get over it[smile].
Have a good evening everyone.
Tiffany Wellsley said
John,
First, I love the comments to readers in your long posts (e.g., “Have a good evening [sic] everyone.” Surely, you must realize that I’m the only one who has ever read even one of your ridiculously long posts. The others here wouldn’t give your tomes one nanosecond of consideration, even if they’re people prone to agree with you. LOL!
Second, the fact that you are compelled to put silly words like “grin” and “snicker” in brackets in your posts merely shows your complete lack of a sense of humor. If you had any ability to entertain, the reader would sense your comments as sarcasm or humor. They wouldn’t have to be told when something was intended as sarcasm.
You truly are pathetic. Just how needy are you? A moment ago I found a post on a wholly unrelated thread directing readers to one of your posts elsewhere. Are you really that in need of an audience? Then, I see all these brackets telling people how they are supposed to respond to your words. The bracketed material is like a neon “applaud” sign in a theater. You are a psychiatrist’s dream patient. Peer reviewed articles could be published about you. Support groups would fawn all over you. Frankly, I haven’t the time.
Tiffany
John said
Uh huh, these unsupported and imagined criticisms from this websites biggest megalomaniac[grin].
Until you can find some intelligent reality based way to actually support your wild claims/insults against others, then your words will never have any power/influence save for that which ignorant people chose to allow them to have.
John said
Did anyone else who may be reading get the mistaken impression that the words Tiffany mentioned me surrounding with quotation marks within my posts were reaction recommendations for the readers of this site? I can understand how one such as Tiffany would come to this conclusion with her seemingly impulsive desire to order/manipulate people, but this is not the reality of the matter at all. Some such words are used by me to help readers understand what I AM ACTUALLY DOING at the moment, and to help convey my emotions/attitude. For example, when I present a “smile”, if it’s to someone I like or have never responded to before then it’s to help convey friendliness to you, or humor, as I understand that the context of a persons message can be misunderstood when reading someone’s comments. For someone like Tiffany it’s because I think what they are posting is funny…or just that their a joke. On the other website I commonly frequent everyone was smart enough to understand this, but as people like Tiffany have proven, such is not the case here.
Anders said
Wow, this site is hilarious! I assume and hope it’s a joke, yet I have a nagging suspicion that it’s not…
Tiffany Wellsley said
The joke will be on you, when your sorry rear is cast into the fiery pits of hell. Rest assured, you won’t be there five seconds before you realize it’s not a joke.
Emily said
Hello
I’ve just been diagnosed with swine flu. Reckon it’s because I’m a Eurotrash atheist who drinks? I can only hope so
By the way the thing that annoyed me most in this article is the moderator berating people for spelling “realise” with an s. This is actually the correct way. Believe it or not, they were speaking English in the UK for a good while before it crossed the Atlantic, and this is how they spelt it. This is also how one spells “grey” and “colour” and “favourite”. Over here in Ireland and the UK, we laugh at people who use Americanised spellings, because they’re wrong. Don’t get me wrong, I love Americans, but you have your way of spelling stuff and we have ours. Live and let live!
I also hope for your own sake that you can’t pick up swine flu from reading my comment. I’ll let you in on a little secret: It’s not actually that bad. If this is God’s punishment on the world, surely he can do better? This is just like a normal flu! I have a headache, a sore throat, weakness and fatigue, but apart from that I will be fine in a week, and can go back to my drinking and atheism and getting with different boys every weekend safe in the knowledge that I am now immune to H1N1.
See ya!
jody said
Dear Tiffany,
Have you ever read the book of Jonah? Well, you remind me a lot of him. Although he preached the message of judgement upon Ninevah, he completely missed the point of God’s great compassion and mercy on those who repent. It sounds to me like you could learn a lesson by reading Scripture again while being reminded…YOU were freely given the gift of GRACE and so why are you lacking such compassion toward others??
According to the God I serve, there is no partialities when it comes to sin. We ALLLLLL fall short of the glory of God! We have no right to assume we know what God’s judgements are…HE is judge alone-not me, not you, not pastors,…and He alone knows the hearts of men!!
Tiffany Wellsley said
Jody,
Yes, I’ve read the Book of Jonah, just as I have read every book of the Bible many times. I certainly understand your preference for Jonah since the Book features a character remarkably similar to you, as well as Jonah. So-called Christians like you disgust me. You think that we should ignore everyone sinning and disrespecting the Lord while continuing to maintain our friendships with them. That’s awfully convenient, isn’t it? You never have to give up any relationships in His name. Just invite that Muslim terrorist over for dinner. After all, we’re not the ones who will be deciding his fate.
And your claim that all sins are the same is laughable. According to Jody, a person who lies to the dentist that she has been flossing regularly is as evil as a man who molests, rapes and slowly murders a two-year-old child. How despicable you are, Jody!
Get a clue, you brainless buffoon. Life isn’t this responsibility-free bubble you think it is. Jesus expressly told us that we are not to hang around sinners and non-believers(2 John 1:9-11; 2 Corinthians 6:14-17). Apparently, you need to start reading other stories in the Bible than the story about a fellow whale.
Tiffany
John said
Tiffany, is one who professes to be what a Christian should be[snicker], as well as lecturing about personal responsibility[HA!], how then do you ever expect to reach out to non-Christians and help bring people to Christ without mingling with sinners[And according to Christian doctrine you too are a sinner, in case you forgot.] and non-believers? This problem of yours is compounded by the fact that your rude and try to drive away those who actually go out of their way to come here and talk to you about things.
The voice in the back of your head- you know to be true said
You’re forgeting.
The bible says to hate NO ONE.
The god has a master plan for each and every one of us, even the sinners.
Or did you forget that Jesus took on mankinds’ sin?
If you trust that god made you perfectly- then your desire to sin is your destiny(you are fullfilling it by hating others)
Trust in the word of god. look for his signs and you shall find them. Im not just talking to the author, im talking to all of you.
RON PAUL 2012! we shall be saved
Tiffany Wellsley said
Person with the Stupid Name,
Get off your high horse, you pompous, holier-than-thou moron. How dare you make up Bible verses! There is no verse of the Bible — not one — that says we aren’t to hate sinners. You’ve simply been brainwashed by all the so-called “enlightened” Christians who think Jesus was some prancing pansy who skipped around throwing flowers into the air and telling everyone to love everyone else, as He lisped the “s” in “else.” Shame on you and all those Hallmark greeting card Christians. Jesus hated sinners as much as His Daddy hated them. Jesus oversaw the slaughter of multiple people who failed to give Him His due. If you challenge this, I’ll gladly cite the verses. You see, unlike you, I actually base my opinions on the Bible and not on what others have told me the Bible says.
Now, shoo, and leave real Christians alone.
Tiffany
John said
“You see, unlike you, I actually base my opinions on the Bible…”
Save for all of those parts which you dissagree with[smile].
I too can cite Bible verses. Want to see some? You never addressed the last two times I brought them up, which is behavior befitting someone who knew that they were in the wrong.
marc said
woow, what kind of son of a [obscenity deleted] is your [unChristian language removed] god?
I will kill you if I can, scum. the bible is pure [obscene and unChristian language removed].
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1Corinthians13 said
John 13:35: Jesus said, “By this you will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.”
As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am grieved by the arrogance, hatred, and misrepresentation of God in this article. I am further appalled by the continuous responses of arrogance and hatred throughout its comments.
If you recall, Jesus was repulsed by Pharisees who were full of arrogance and hatred for others. They thought that they were right before God, but their hearts were far from Him.
Luke 18:9-14:
["To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'
"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."]
You talk much about God’s judgement on the wicked, and while I agree that people reap the consequences of their sins, I think it is very malicious of you to callously rejoice over such tragedies.
We should be PRAYING for the sick. WEEPING over those who are affected by evil in this world. MOURNING over the lost. Not condemning them. Not pushing them further away with hurtful words. 1 John 4:20 says, “Anyone who says “I love God” but hates his brother is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
Jesus said He did not come for the righteous, but to call sinners to repentance. And He did it with great LOVE. He ate with prostitutes and tax collectors, hung out with the rich and the poor, the disenfranchised, the minorities, and the marginalized. It is LOVE that causes people to turn to the truth of God. Not fear-mongering. Not hatred or condemnation.
Where is your love? Where is your heart? Where is your compassion? Where in this article or its comments, is there any sign of grace?
1Corinthians13 said
2 Peter 3:9 says that the Lord does not wish for anyone to perish, but for everyone to come to repentance. It also says that He is patient with us.
This to me portrays a God who loves all people and wants everyone to turn to Him.
Yes, God hates sin, but according to 1 John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” He is a forgiving God.
Furthermore: Christ died for us WHILE WE WERE STILL SINNERS!!! Why would a God who “hates sinners” die for them? Romans 5:8–But God demonstrated His own LOVE for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us”. That is God’s Truth, right there.
Why did He do it? Because we cannot come to God on our own. It is only by His grace, through faith, that we are saved, and it is a free gift of God. Christ died for the world, made us able to be reconciled with God, because He LOVES us:
“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” -2 Corinth. 5:19-21
Your article and your comments are inconsistant with the Truth of our Lord Jesus.
God loves sinners…loves them so much that He died for them. And He earnestly desires for people to respond to this love, to turn away from their sin and turn to God.
John 3:17: “God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him”
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1Corinthians13 said
One more thing, so that I am not misunderstood:
You are right that God hates sin, and that throughout the Bible God has acted with vengeance against the wicked. Absolutely.
But that is why God’s wrath against sinful man was taken out on the cross of Jesus Christ. Indeed, the cross is where the justice of God met with the love of God.
Isaiah 53:4-6:
“He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed.”
It says in verse 6 that “We all like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD laid on Him (Jesus) the iniquity (the sins) of us all.”
He took God’s wrath for us. That’s why we don’t need to offer sacrifices to God according to the Old Testament laws anymore, because Christ inaugerated a NEW era. One in which man could be made righteous only through faith in Jesus Christ. (Romans 7:6; Ephesians 2:15). For instance: Jesus said “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy’. BUT I TELL YOU: ‘Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”. (Matthew 5:43-44).
“Love your enemies”…These are the words of GOD HIMSELF, if you do in fact believe that Christ was/is God (which He said He was many times in scripture).
Jesus was not a “pansy” or a “hippie” as you irreverantly claim…He was/is the Son of God, who endured the cross, despising its shame, and now sits at the right hand of God. Dying for the sins of an ungrateful world is about the most loving thing an innocent and Holy God could do. You know why? Because it takes more guts to love than to hate. It is more difficult to show mercy than to show hatred. But a HOLY LOVING God chose to come down to earth in the form of a man and DIE for His enemies (for indeed, I once was an enemy of God).
That is NOT an act of weakness. Love is not weakness.
Oh and one last thing, Jesus said in Matthew 7:1-5: “Do not judge, so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’, and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite! First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye”.
“But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire compassion, and not sacrifice, for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” -Matthew 9:13
This is God’s definition and standard of love:
“If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal…if I do not have love, I am nothing”
“Love is patient and KIND, Love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant OR RUDE. It does not insist on its own way; is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth; Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things…so now faith, hope, and love abide…BUT THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE”
-1 Corinthians 13:1-13
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Tiffany Wellsley said
Person Who Blasphemes the Lord by Calling Himself “First Corinthians, Chapter 13,”
How dare you! How dare you name yourself after a chapter of the Bible. Jesus is brilliant. You, on the other hand, are borderline retarded. There are more misspelled words, punctuation errors and just plain bad writing in your three tomes than one would find in a retarded child’s diary. Your arrogance is shocking! And how dare you quote a version of the Bible other than the King James Version 1611 Holy Bible. It is as though you’re deliberating spitting into the face of the Lord. You are truly despicable.
We have been through this over and over on this board. Jesus never said we’re not supposed to judge. In fact, He instructed us to judge. He simply said we should not judge by any standard other than the one by which we ourselves would accept being judged. But He expressly told us to judge. See, e.g., John 7:24 (”Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”); 1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (”Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”); Matthew 7:6 (”Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine”) (How would we know who the pigs are unless we judge people like you?)
The verses you cite in Matthew, chapter 7 (from a knock-off Bible, no less) simply say we are not to judge UNLESS we judge by the same standard by which we would expect to be judged ourselves. I am happy for anyone to judge me using any of the many standards a moron like you fails.
And how dare you make Jesus out to be some sashaying sissy, who throws rose petals in the air, screaming that we are to love everyone no matter how evil they are, like some co-dependent Stuart Smalley. Jesus hates sinners as much as His Daddy hates them. Jesus told us we are to live our lives in fear of God for God has the power not only to kill us, but to torture us forever in Hell (Luke 12:5). Jesus told the disciples to bring before Him any man who didn’t believe in Him, and to violently slaughter the non-believer while Jesus watched (Luke 19:27). Jesus killed one man by having his body eaten by a swarm of worms because the man failed to give Jesus His due (Acts 12:23). Jesus struck a Jew blind for thwarting His teachings (Acts 13:8-11). He struck a man dumb for failing to listen well (Luke 1:20). He took the lives of a husband and wife by scaring them to death for not forking over all the money they made on a real estate transaction (Acts 5:1-10). During one particularly temperamental time when Jesus was hungry, He even killed a fig tree for failing to bear figs, even though Jesus knew figs weren’t in season (Mark 11:12-14).
Come Judgment Day, God will gather the non-believers and hurl them into a furnace of fire where there will be uncontrollable wailing and gnashing of teeth (Matthew 13:41-42, 50). Entire cities of people who don’t believe will suffer a fate worse than that of Sodom and Gomorra (Mark 6:11). Jesus told us that God will take “vengeance on them that know not God” by burning them forever “in flaming fire” (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9).
The brutality and destruction will not be entirely blase, though. There will be great sparks of creativity. Come Judgment Day, the Lord will create horse-like locusts will human heads, women’s hair, lion’s teeth and scorpion’s tails that will sting and inflict savage pain on sinners for five months (Revelation 9:7-10). As a result of the fires, plagues and beasts He inspires, the world will be covered in unburied dead bodies, rotting everywhere. The smoke of the burning, rotting bodies will ascend and plague the Earth forever (Revelation 14:10-11). And the smell will attract scavenger birds who will feast upon “the supper of the great God” (Revelation 19:17-18).
God will send an earthquake to kill 7,000 people (Revelation 11:13). And to add just a bit more drama, He will exercise his wrath by inflicting bodily sores, turning the seas and rivers to blood, scorching everyone with fire, causing people to consume their own tongues in pain, and causing horrendous storms that will strike dead the now speechless (though sated) sinners (Revelation 16:1-21).
Now, why don’t you take your phony Bible, and your nancy boy vision of Jesus, to some left-wing, liberal board where your nonsense will be welcomed. You and your pathetic kind are most certainly not wanted here.
Tiffany
Lynn said
Tiffany,
Could you please answer the following questions/concerns for clarification?:
1. On what grounds do you base only believing in the KJV 1611 version of the Bible?
2. What do you say about Romans 5:6,8 which says (in your preferred version):
“For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Why would the Scriptures say that Christ died for sinners, if God hated sinners? I thought that God poured out and satisfied His wrath on His Son Jesus, out of love, in order so that you and I could by grace be saved through faith? Do you disagree, and on what grounds?
Explain to me why you refuse to focus on the mercy or purpose in God’s chastizing. You have taken these verses out of context (even using your version):
3. Luke 19:27–this was a parable about what will happen to those who were not faithful to Jesus during their time on earth. No one was killed in his presence–he was giving a parable as an example regarding the future kingdom of God (Luke 19:11).
4. In Acts 13:8-12–God did strike this man blind, for being a false prophet. BUT God did it so that another man would believe–AND it says the false prophet was only blind “for a season” (and that is in your version).
5. In Luke 1:20, Zacharias was struck deaf because he did not believe the words of God…BUT God restored His hearing–the man prophesies out loud in verses 68-79.
6. In the case of Acts 5:1-10–yes God struck them dead. It was not about money though, it was about them (who were supposedly believers, not unbelievers) deceiving God. God did not want His Name profaned by such deceit.
7. In regards to the fig tree–Jesus did this as an example for His disciples who were listening. The fig tree represented Israel. Everything Jesus did was intentional.
8. Yes, on judgment day there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Yes there will be a great tribulation on Earth. But we are not to rejoice over the past, present, or future sufferings of others. We are to do our best to draw people to Christ. Tell me, Tiffany, how are you going to attract people to Christ when you call them such foul, hateful names? Jesus never did such a thing–except for calling religious people ‘hypocrites’. Perhaps you should re-think your approach? If your goal is not to represent our Lord in a way that draws others to Him, then why are you here? Heb. 12:14 “Follow peace with all men”.
9. You blatantly ignore all of the other miracles of Jesus, where he healed the lame, cured the sick, resurrected the dead, cast out demons, gave sight to the blind, etc. Notice, I am not ONLY focusing on the love of Jesus; I am looking at both sides. Jesus was the epitome of Truth, Justice, and Love–that’s why people were attracted to Him. What have you to say to this?
10. What have you to say about Jesus’ greatest commandment? : “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.” -Matthew 5:43-45
Also, you did not refute or respond to any of the previous verses I have posted.
Your arguments on here have all been ad-hominem.
And I am not a minor. I am a 22 year old University student and follower of Jesus Christ, who will be attending law school next fall. Just so you are aware.
And I apologize if I offended you by previously using the tag “1Corinthains13″, it was not my intent to offend.
John said
Lynn, it IS Tiffany’s intent to offend. Tiffany is an anti-Christian hatemonger. No, really. Read through all of the other threads here.
Good luck at trying to get a rational, civilized, and educated response that does not involve straw-man arguments, Bibile verses used out of context, or ad-hominem attacks to your inquiries. It has never happened for anyone else before.
JayJay said
Tiffany:
“He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. WHOSOEVER HATETH HIS BROTHER IS A MURDERER: AND YE KNOW THAT NO MURDERER HATH ETERNAL LIFE ABIDING IN HIM”.
-1 John 3:15
Let go of your hate and turn to God.
Tiffany Wellsley said
JayJay,
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:26).
“And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life” (Matthew 19:29).
“Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law” Luke 12:51-53).
Let go of your blasphemy and Bible distortion and turn to God.
Tiffany
Tiffany Wellsley said
Lynn,
I love the Lord with all my heart. But I cannot countenance you liberal, faux-Christians trying to turn Jesus into some co-dependent, sashaying sissy who ran around saying He loves everyone no matter what, like some circuit party queen on methamphetamine. Jesus hated sinners as much as His Father did. You concede that he struck men blind and deaf. What is your ridiculous explanation? “The loss of senses was only temporary. Tell me, Lynn, how many peole have you expressed your love toward by temporarily blinding them or taking away their hearing? How many months would they have to go without sight or hearing before the infliction was no longer deemed an act of love? You concede Jesus killed a couple for lying to Him. And you concede that the Lord has promised eternal torment and suffering for nonbelievers, come Judgment Day. People don’t burn and torture the ones they love. If they did, they’d get a lethal injection or be institutionalized for life.
As for loving everyone, Jesus said that in the abstract. His words do not mean we are to spend time with or hang around nonbelievers. In fact, Jesus expressly told us were are not to associate with them. See 2 John 1:9-11 (”Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”); 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 (”Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.”)
Now, run along and find some pretend Christians like you who will be receptive to your liberal teachings. The Lord’s children are not impressed.
Tiffany
Lynn said
Thank you for responding to my posts.
I would like to talk about this some more, though we will probably end up agreeing to disagree in the end.
“People don’t burn and torture the ones they love”
When unbelievers are punished in the final judgment, God will be punishing them for not considering His Son Jesus to be of infinite value. The reason why Christ should be considered by us to be of infinite value is because He was Holy and innocent and died for the sins of the mankind. He didn’t have to do it–He did it because He loved us all enough to offer us the free gift of salvation, because we can’t come to God without grace.
I am by no means saying that Jesus does not hate sin.
But I disagree with you when you say that Jesus hates sinners, because it is inconsistent with the Gospels.
When Jesus was on earth, He was loathed by the religious people of the day because He spent time with tax collectors, prostitutes, Samaritans (who were the marginalized race of that day), etc. And in spending time with them, He drew sinners to Himself, which led to their repentance and salvation.
Yes, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 says to not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers, but if you research the original context of that passage, Paul was talking about the yoke of marriage.
(In fact, the reason why Israel got into trouble in the Old Testament was because they were marrying people who believed in other gods, and then ended up participating in idol worship). However, just as Israel was meant to be a light unto the nations so that other peoples would also come to know God, so are we Christians today to be lights unto the world so that people will see our faith and our good works and turn to the salvation of God. We cannot do that if we remain separate. Have you ever heard the phrase “in the world, but not of the world”? I can hang out with unbelievers, so long as I do not participate in sin. And then when they ask me why I live my life the way I do, then I can tell them about the hope of Jesus.
But I do not have a problem if you have the conviction to have no contact whatsoever with unbelievers–even though I believe it is inconsistent with scripture, that is between you and God.
However, I do have a big problem with your dehumanization of those of other races, and those who are leading lives of sin because they do not know the Lord.
You seem to glory in the fact that these people will “burn in hell”. I do not understand this. I am not saying that we should ignore or condone sin–by no means. We are to expose the darkness of the world. But sinners are the very ones who Jesus came for.
“And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” -Mark 2;16-18
Our job as Christians is not to revel in the fact that they may end up eternally separated from God, our job is to be ambassadors of Christ, pleading for people to turn to Him.
You are not pleading Tiffany, you are rejoicing over their lost state, and you display no hope that Christ can redeem them just as He has redeemed you.
The verses that you cite, you have consistently cited out of context. The problem is that the Bible must be taken as a whole. And every verse must be understood with the context of the passage containing it, and the author’s original intent. For instance, the verse you cited in 2 John, was speaking specifically of people who profess that Christ did not come in the flesh to earth. Meaning that these people did not believe that Christ was fully man just as He was fully God. They were not acknowledging the whole truth of God. He was not talking about unbelievers, he was talking about people who were professing to be Christians but had wrong doctrine about Christ. Heresy. You have to read verses 1-8 before you can understand verses 9-11.
Again, thank you for dialoguing with me about these things.
Mariah said
Thank you for responding to my posts.
(Though you won’t let me post anymore under my previous name).
I would like to talk about this some more, though we will probably end up agreeing to disagree in the end.
“People don’t burn and torture the ones they love”
When unbelievers are punished in the final judgment, God will be punishing them for not considering His Son Jesus to be of infinite value. The reason why Christ should be considered by us to be of infinite value is because He was Holy and innocent and died for the sins of the mankind. He didn’t have to do it–He did it because He loved us all enough to offer us the free gift of salvation, because we can’t come to God without grace.
I am by no means saying that Jesus does not hate sin.
But I disagree with you when you say that Jesus hates sinners, because it is inconsistent with the Gospels.
When Jesus was on earth, He was loathed by the religious people of the day because He spent time with tax collectors, prostitutes, Samaritans (who were the marginalized race of that day), etc. And in spending time with them, He drew sinners to Himself, which led to their repentance and salvation.
Yes, 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 says to not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers, but if you research the original context of that passage, Paul was talking about the yoke of marriage.
(In fact, the reason why Israel got into trouble in the Old Testament was because they were marrying people who believed in other gods, and then ended up participating in idol worship). However, just as Israel was meant to be a light unto the nations so that other peoples would also come to know God, so are we Christians today to be lights unto the world so that people will see our faith and our good works and turn to the salvation of God. We cannot do that if we remain separate. Have you ever heard the phrase “in the world, but not of the world”? I can hang out with unbelievers, so long as I do not participate in sin. And then when they ask me why I live my life the way I do, then I can tell them about the hope of Jesus.
But I do not have a problem if you have the conviction to have no contact whatsoever with unbelievers–even though I believe it is inconsistent with scripture, that is between you and God.
However, I do have a big problem with your dehumanization of those of other races, and those who are leading lives of sin because they do not know the Lord.
You seem to glory in the fact that these people will “burn in hell”. I do not understand this. I am not saying that we should ignore or condone sin–by no means. We are to expose the darkness of the world. But sinners are the very ones who Jesus came for.
“And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” -Mark 2;16-18
Our job as Christians is not to revel in the fact that they may end up eternally separated from God, our job is to be ambassadors of Christ, pleading for people to turn to Him.
You are not pleading Tiffany, you are rejoicing over their lost state, and you display no hope that Christ can redeem them just as He has redeemed you.
The verses that you cite, you have consistently cited out of context. The problem is that the Bible must be taken as a whole. And every verse must be understood with the context of the passage containing it, and the author’s original intent. For instance, the verse you cited in 2 John, was speaking specifically of people who profess that Christ did not come in the flesh to earth. Meaning that these people did not believe that Christ was fully man just as He was fully God. They were not acknowledging the whole truth of God. He was not talking about unbelievers, he was talking about people who were professing to be Christians but had wrong doctrine about Christ. Heresy. You have to read verses 1-8 before you can understand verses 9-11.
Again, thank you for dialoguing with me about these things.
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John said
People of high quality will read and understand the wisdom of your post, Lynn, and will have absolutely no problem with the length of your posts, which really isn’t that big at all to people who are accustomed to reading or doing research[smile].
Tiffany Wellsley said
Lynn/Mariah/Schizophrenic,
You are an idiot! You admit that God is going to torture nonbelievers in hell for eternity. But you say He is going to do so because He loves them. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Even the most depraved of sadists wouldn’t engage in such conduct. God (and I’m referring collectively to the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost) is going to torture nonbelievers forever because He despises them.
You claim He must torture them because people need grace to enter heaven. Does your IQ even reach double digits? God is omnipotent. He can do anything. He could decide everyone will enter heaven whether they have grace or not. He could judge people by their works instead of their faith, if He wished. He could redefine grace to encompass all or some nonbelievers. And even if He concluded those who failed to give Him the praise or glory He deserves or wants should not enter heaven, He could just end their existence permanently, or send them to a benign holding cell. He isn’t under any obligation to torture anyone. He can do whatever He wants.
If God loves everyone, why is He planning to torture the majority of the world forever and ever? Why did He drown the planet in the Great Flood, including the infants and unborn children? Why did He burn to death the people of Sodom and Gomorrah? The bottom line is that God hates nonbelievers and will exercise His wrath against them, come Judgment Day. Your claim that He will torture those He loves is possibly the most ridiculous claim made yet on this board. You obviously have a very bizarre notion of God.
Tiffany
Mariah said
Tiffany,
“You admit that God is going to torture nonbelievers in hell for eternity. But you say He is going to do so because He loves them.”
That is not what I said. I said that unbelievers are going to end up in hell because they did not accept the free grace of salvation. Everyone has free will to accept the free gift of salvation, and so it is not God sending unbelievers to hell, it is the result of the non-believers choice to not accept the love that God has shown through Jesus Christ, His Son.
“God is omnipotent. He can do anything. He could decide everyone will enter heaven whether they have grace or not.”
Yes, He is omnipotent. He is also sovereign. His ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts. He gave people free will. He wants people to truly love Him, to love the great sacrifice Christ has made for them.
Unbelievers will be eternally separated from God, by their own choosing, not God’s.
Indeed, it is a horrible truth–which is why we need to be doing everything to get others to turn to Christ and accept His free gift. Not condemning them.
I have one very important question for you Tiffany.
If God hates sinners as you say, then how were you able to be become a Christian?
Were you not once a sinner?
Indeed, you say in your article that you are not a perfect Christian–if you are not a perfect Christian, then aren’t you by definition a sinner?
The only thing that makes us perfect before God is the righteousness of Christ, should we accept His free gift of grace through faith.
“But God, who is RICH IN MERCY, for his GREAT LOVE wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his KINDNESS toward us through Christ Jesus.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -(Ephesians 2:4-9)
Again, thank you for sharing your views with me. I appreciate being able to dialogue with you about this.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Mariah,
You may be the dumbest wench who ever lived. You say people choose to burn in flames for eternity. Are you for real? No one chooses that. God decided long ago that would be the punishment for nonbelievers not giving Him glory. God created hell. He put every bit or fire and brimstone that is there into hell. And when Judgment Day comes, and He judges each of us, God will be the one who flings nonbelievers into hell. I became a Christian because I don’t want to face such a plight (and, of course, because I love the Lord).
Now, you can say nonbelievers deserve to go to hell for not believing. But it is definitely God is who is sending them to hell. They didn’t create hell. He did. And He has the power to spare them eternal agony. If He loved them, He certainly would — unless, of course, you believe God is the quintessential sadist. My, you have a perverted notion of God. The truth is that God hates nonbelieving trash, which is why He brutally murdered them in Old Testament days and will have them tortured forever in hell in the future.
Tiffany
P.S. If you think concluding each post with some trite claim that you’ve enjoyed interacting with me (like some kind of “Very truly yours” ending) is persuasive to anyone, you’ve even dumber than I thought.
John said
I was named after the public toilet where my parents first met and I was conceived.
Mariah said
No, I did not intend the “trite claim” to be persuasive–I believe my arguments speak for themselves. I was merely trying to show you that despite our disagreeing on certain issues, I respect you as a person and am merely curious as to why you think the way you do.
Again, you are missing what I am saying.
According to your beliefs, all of the verses in the Bible talking about God’s love are abstract, and therefore can be ignored; whereas all of the verses in the Bible talking about God’s wrath are literal, and carry more weight. This does not make sense. Do you not believe in the inerrancy of scripture? Did God not inspire the writings of the entire Bible? You say that you love the Lord, but apparently you only love parts of His Word–which you consistently cite out of context. Your beliefs contradict many of the scriptures I have posted–you merely ignore them in favor of others.
There are plenty of verses in the Bible that talk about God hating sin–but not one that specifically says that He hates sinners. On the contrary, the Bible is chaulk full of scriptures (like the ones I have posted) that speak of God’s love for sinners, which is why He sent His Son. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”. (John 3:16).
There is no other way to interpret that kind of love other than literally.
The message of the Word is clear.
God does not hate sinners, Tiffany–you do. And in your hate you have missed the message.
enNya said
“And He has the power to spare them eternal agony. If He loved them, He certainly would — unless, of course, you believe God is the quintessential sadist.”
Um, I think that is her point, Tiffany.
He DOES have the power to spare them eternal agony–hence why He sent Jesus. But it wouldn’t be very loving of God to force salvation on anyone. So He lets people choose.
The way that you portray God makes him out to be a sadist, not the other way around.
Mariah said
Tiffany,
Again, you are missing my point.
You say that all of the verses talking about God’s love are “abstract” and yet all of the verses talking about God’s wrath are very literal. That does not make sense.
Do you not believe in the inerrancy of scripture? Did God not inspire ALL of His Word? You say that you love the Lord, and yet you only choose to believe half of His Word (and consistently cite what you do believe out of context).
I have pointed out again and again that God hates sin, and at the same time loves sinners and does not want any of them to perish. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever should believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).
If you are indeed a Christian, than at one time you were also as you would say, “non-believing trash”. The only reason you are a Christian now (if indeed you really are) is because God had mercy on you. If God had mercy on you, then how can you then refuse to have mercy on anyone else? You make it sound as if you are the only one who Christ died for. And that is a lie that directly contradicts scripture.
The message of the Word of God is clear.
God does not hate sinners, Tiffany, you do. And in your hate you have missed the Truth.
Pam Wallace said
With due respect, you’re all wrong (and I’m speaking of Tiffany, Mariah and EnNya). It makes no sense to believe, as Tiffany apparently does, that god created beings that He hates. Let’s face it: all people start as nonbelievers. So, according to Tiffany, god hates everyone — at least, at some point. That’s silly.
But similarley, what Mariah and EnNya say is equally absurd. If there is a god, he is not some insecure deity craving attention. He would not give people a Hobson’s choice — believe everyone I say to you through faith alone and follow my commandments or be tortured in hell forever, which all seem to agree is what happens to those don’t believe. I continue to be amazed at how the most popular religion in the Western world really believes in a god that is so needy and vengeful. Tiffany is right about one thing (and, boy, was that painful to type) — God has the power to let everyone into heaven. So what if they sinned? Why is sinning so bad that it warrants suffering in flames for eternity? When a child errs, we give him time-out. When a teenager screws up, we take away his privileges. When an adult commits a crime, we fine him or send him to jail. I don’t recall burning anyone with fire for even a minute, much less eternity, in any Western nation (at least since the days of Joan of Ark). We don’t even do that to murderers, let alone ordinary sinners.
I also cannot accept this notion that because this supposed god supposedly sent his supposed son Jesus to die, that we deserve to suffer forever if we don’t fawn all over Jesus and give him our whole lives. Geez, how co-dependent could any god be? If you stop breathing, and an EMT gives you artificial respiration and saves you life, no one requires you to turn your life over to the EMT or burn forever. Why does your od require this? And frankly, “god” didn’t have to send his only son to die. He could have just forgiven us all. As one of you said, he is omnipotent. God could let every human into heaven (or at least not send them to hell) without having sent to die on a cross. Talk about drama gone awry!
As for choice, none of us even chose to be here in the first place. God put us here. How dare god put us in this life against our will, then send us to hell because we didn’t praise his son. Frankly, if given the choice, most of us heathens would have chosen not to be put into this life at all. And what about men like Ghandi who dedicated their lives to helping the less fortunate but held a belief system that didn’t include Jesus. According to all of you, wonderful men like this will burn forever while some degenerate who happened to accept Jesus on his deathbed will be enjoying eternal bliss.
One has to believe that in a few decades, as humans evolve intellectually, this whole reliance on an external deity because of our fear of the unknown will dissipate, and we will learn to accept responsibility for our own lives, recognizing there is probably nothing after those lives. And if not, surely, at the very least, we’ll come up with a better story than that of a man so desperately in need of attention that he tortures everyone who doesn’t make him and his son their master.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Pam,
I am so sick of you arrogant atheists, thinking you have all the answers. You won’t be in hell five seconds before you suddenly believe in God.
Tiffany
Sherri said
Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, “Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?”
Ghandi replied, “Oh, I don’t reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It’s just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Apparently Ghandi’s rejection of Christianity grew out of an incident that happened when he was a young man practising law in South Africa. He had become attracted to the Christian faith, had studied the Bible and the teachings of Jesus, and was seriously exploring becoming a Christian. And so he decided to attend a church service. As he came up the steps of the large church where he intended to go, a white South African elder of the church barred his way at the door. “Where do you think you’re going, kaffir?” the man asked Ghandi in a belligerent tone of voice.
Ghandi replied, “I’d like to attend worship here.”
The church elder snarled at him, “There’s no room for kaffirs in this church. Get out of here or I’ll have my assistants throw you down the steps.”
From that moment, Ghandi said, he decided to adopt what good he found in Christianity, but would never again consider becoming a Christian if it meant being part of the church.
How we treat those others tells people MORE about what we believe, and what following Jesus means to us, than all the fine sermons we deliver.
RRDavey said
And so Sherri, when you post your little holier-than-thou nags here, be glad the moderator doesn’t meet you at the door and throw you down the proverbial steps by blocking you from posting at this site. Dare I say if it weren’t for the sometimes overly generous Christian charity practiced by the members here, your toot sweet tush would be long gone.
YIC
Rapture-Ready Davey
Tiffany Wellsley said
Sherri,
What bizarre instinct led you to the ridiculous conclusion that we could care one iota what that filthy, shoeless, depraved Hindu, Gandhi thought? You might as well have just quoted purported maxims from Satan, himself. Given that you seem to like that disgusting idiot so much, comfort yourself in the knowledge that there is one-billionth of a percent chance that you’ll wind up in the same section of hell that he does, so the two of you can share expressions of horrendous pain and agony as your bodies roast in flames for eternity.
Tiffany
marc said