The Devil’s Language!
Posted by Sister Mabel Gargula on November 28, 2007
I’ve always felt that there’s something Satanic about sign language.
I was forced to learn sign language as a child and, even then, before I was saved, thought it felt evil. Especially the sign for the letter J. That little swishy motion is much too gay to be a sign for anything good and wholesome.
Particularly distressing is the sign for “I love you.” 
Does this remind you of anything? That’s right! The supposed American sign language signal for “I love you” is the one and same sign of the Devil! 
The connection came to me in a dream last night. Convinced that I was on to something big, I did a little research on the Internets. I was most distressed to learn that I was right! Check this out: Signs of Satan!
For goodness’ sake! Helen Keller was an occultist? Who knew?! This cements it for me. Clearly, deaf people are Satan’s minions. To think that I used to volunteer my time to read books onto tape for deaf folks! I shudder to think for what what evil purposes my innocent words were used.
Submitted by Sister Mabel
Brother WhoDat Glory Pines Ministry said
Mabel Lamb,
You are so sweet. I never realized that Sign Language was Satanic. How distressing.
Nomi said
Helen Keller was a socialist. Now we know why.
I have been admiring this site from a distance.
You’re a very inspiring group, I must say.
Mod note: Welcome! Thank you for your support. We look forward to hearing more from you.
Always Right said
Truly disgusting, my body is simply shaking with indignation. Not only is sign language occultist and Satanic, the ‘horns’ symbol is almost identical to the ‘Shocker’, not by coincidence if you ask me!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocker_(hand_gesture)
Always Right,
Charles “Chuck” Roast III
Brother WhoDat Glory Pines Ministry said
Bless You Nomi! What a nice thing to say. We sure do our best to inspire hellbound sinners.
Interesting name, Nomi, by the way, where are you from?
Chuck Norris said
dammit, sign language is evil! so were ok to use braille right?
Nomi said
I am originally from the infamous Big Apple, seat of iniquity, home of tall buildings, Batman, and not leastly the New York Metropolitans ( aka Mets).
Now I sojourn in the Ocean State in its capital city, Divine Providence.
I confess to have studied American Sign Language formally and thank you in advance for your prayers and help with spelling.
Mod note: Bless you, child. Thank Heaven you escaped from that den of iniquity. We will pray for you.
Sister Mabel Gargula said
Welcome to our ministry on the Internets, Nomi.
A little off kilter said
That’s not sign language, it’s finger spelling.
Ironicaly the sigh you use for devil means b*llsh1t in ASL.
http://www.deafmissions.com/?Letter=W&PageID=18
Spin again Sister Mabel.
MOD TODD SEZ: Finger spelling or finger banging? When I was in the Marines there was a difference. The Lord shows us all ways!
Kine said
Okay, I’m sorry. I was going to try and not say anything since I’m happy Yancy was brought back, but… Jeez…
The signs are SIMILAR not the same. Sign language, like any other language has similarities to certain words. Example:
Satan, Satin. Is Satin satanic? How about Ball and Baal?
And think about it for a minute. Deaf people have a handicap, thus they need to do somethings different. What’s next? The Blind are possessed by a demon, and the those in Wheelchairs were struck down by God for their wicked ways?
Brother Bear said
Sister Mabel,
I don’t want to point this out too bluntly but , why in the world were you creating books on tape for the deaf?
This wasn’t during your “dancing” days was it?
I’m pretty sure that you meant for the blind, but your intentions were in the right mind I guess.
Back on topic, the only hand gestures I make are clasping my hands together in prayer, the universal sign of Jesus.
FIC
-bb
La Mona said
You know, biting your thumb is the same as the middle finger in some places, same with using the pinkie instead in others. But, here, those mean nothing…so, isn’t it perfectly reasonable that something could mean something to one group of people and something different to another. That it is; and common sense should denote that….
A little off kilter said
La Mona, I’m pretty sure we can just chock it up to a simple case of profound ignorance in this case.
BTW for those interested (Republican Baptists) in the symbology of the Corna (horned hands) you want to try some of the internets or the google. Or just click here… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corna
Sister Mabel Gargula said
Right you are, Brother Bear! It’s just so frustrating that my brain gets all mixed up like a bag of goo sometimes since my head injury. Of course I meant that I read books on tape for the blind. It was back when I was a mere child, a few years before I began dancing. Many years before I realized that God made deaf and blind people that way for a reason and that it’s a sin to interfere with God’s plan.
ScottishSoldier said
man get a grip. its just sign language for deaf people. what next, organic food is the root of evil!
cait said
I was taught a different sign language from that…
But back on topic, I’m sure that even though that sign resembles the sign of the devil, I don’t think it was intended to have anything to do with it.
I have a friend who is deaf, sometimes we have to use sign language to talk to her but mostly she lip reads.
But I would hardly call her ‘Satan’s minion’. You can’t possibly blame her for being deaf can you?
Mod note: Oh, heavens, no! Of course we wouldn’t blame her for being deaf. It’s God’s job to pass judgment – which, for His own unknowable reasons, He did upon your friend.
cait said
I personally think that God has nothing to do with whether someone is born like that or not, or the choices you make in life either. And i also think that you shouldn’t get judged by anyone but yourself, because ultimately, you are the harshest judge of all.
Obviously this isn’t what you believe, and i have no problem with that. That’s just my opinion.
damien said
im deaf and yes…we servant of lucifer. plus most deaf gay. that make us more satan. he reward us very well.
muguette said
Not everyone who is deaf was born that way. My uncle became deaf after taking medication to recover from an accident. Did God make him deaf, pass judgment on him? [Mod note: Yes] It was the doctors who gave him the medicine, not God. [Mod note: Obviously, the doctors were acting as God's agents on Earth] If learning sign language becomes the way to communicate with him, then that’s how it is.
And to specifically correct your assessment… The sign for “I love you” has the thumb extended out, while the so-called symbol of the devil places the thumb over the two middle fingers.
Go ahead and call my views unchristian. [Mod note: You are not only unChristian, you're a dirty sinner.] I wholeheartedly agree. As my friends in Korea have pointed out, Catholics and Christians are two separate entities. A Korean Catholic would never call themselves Christians. [Why in heckfire would we care what a Korean has to say?] And before you criticize Koreans as heathens, keep in mind that South Korea is the only east asian country to have a visible Christian population – even in the Korean sense of the word.
Desiree(ASL INTR) said
Oh my good God, please tell me that this is a joke! If not then I do think that it is time for the crazy house. Is the Latin the language of the Devil too? Did you know that in Latin the numbers five and six are pronunced “kinky sex”? That sounds quite sinful! Do you realize that you have insulted yet another culture? So you have the gays, the Deaf, the Jews, and everyone else whom is not you, against everything you have to say. ASL is only one of many sign languages each country has at least one, so is it just ASL or all of the non-verbal communication techniques that you hate? God teaches about forgivness and loving thy neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40). Stop preaching lies, because that too is punishable by damnation.
William the Evil American of Scottish ancestry K said
Desiree
You forgot Scots., and paintballers. But then again I am not counting
Dous said
Idiots, sign language is a way for deaf people to communicate, you are the satanists here idiots, you disagree with anything different, you are filthy heathens in disguise
PS: You can come out of the closet now
Truth Speaker said
i agree with Kine, you cant possibly belive that deaf ppl are posessed, wat of those people who loose their hearing as the age… even if they lead a life of god, now they are sudenly demonic. wtf is wrong with u people
satan` said
**unChristian (albeit incorrectly spelled) word deleted**
Mod Maynard note: Don’t use words that you don’t know how to spell. It just illuminates your stunningly dismal intellect.
Dan said
hello sister mabel. i would really laugh if you had a close family member who became deaf or blind. i’d laugh even harder if you had a child deaf or blind. i would laugh because you think something so small as sign language so evil would be a part of your everyday life. oh let me guess, you wouldn’t allow your child to learn sign language because its evil! so that means you would have little or no communication with them. you might as well just disown them out of you wretched family and put them out of their misery. or MAYBE…you only mean it’s evil if it cannot apply to you. because if it did, i’m sure the tables would turn.
the rest of the REAL world would call you a “hypocrite.” it’s a person who doesn’t ever follow through on what they preach, in case you were wondering. and the last time i checked, your religion doesn’t really approve of that very much.
ganjadude said
Sure let us just kill off all those blasphemous deaf people. I mean they cant communicate without the “language of the devil” anyway right? Lets just hang them all in the square and make an evening out of it.
/end sarcasm
BobbyG said
Sister Mabel,you are a mentally deficient ignoramous. Your views on sign-language are not only completely wrong, but you are showing your bigoted attitude. You probably think that the Arian
Brotherhood and KKK are blessed of God. Your religious view sucks and I would find it hard to think that you have anything to with anything Godly. I have some very good christian brothers and sisters who are deaf, and God is blessing their lives. I hope God forgives you for your blasphemy for we are all his children.
Sister Mabel Gargula said
Dear BobbyG,
It is not nice to make fun of me just because I have a head injury! God will not be pleased!
Most of your comments don’t make a whit of sense. Arians? Are you referring to the Polish brethren or Arianism? Either way, I have no use for such nonsense.
BobbyG said
Sister Mabel, obviously your head injury was a judgement against you by God, and this by your own admission. This injury has made you less than one of His perfect children and has caused you to become one of Satans minions. Anyway, your judgement in such matters as Deafness and the need for sign-language, is severely lacking. You need to go back and find the origins of the language and not try to evaluate it from an unknown source. If the deaf language is wrong, then obviously the american language is wrong because it was adapted and adopted by those people in America and is a bastardization of the Queens English. But, we use it and claim it as ours and no-one says that we are of the devil because we use our own language. Get a clue. BobbyG
Sister Mabel Gargula said
Well, no duh, BobbyG! God did, in fact, judge me for my evil ways. Thankfully, when I was in the hospital recovering, Jesus came to me and explained the error of my ways! I was saved that very day! Since then, I have devoted my life to serving Him. I can assure you that Jesus himself speaks American. If it’s good enough for Him, then who are you to criticize?
Andrea said
You have your information wrong, I am to tell you. The signs for the satan are called the “Horned God” and the “Horned Hand” depending on which way you place the thumb either under or over the two fingers. With the thumb extended the sign is called the ILY sign. Which represents the I, L, and Y in sign language all in one hand at once. Now for most of us who use sign language it has become a representation for numerous agencies and groups. We hardly ever use the sign for it no longer means “I love you”. We prefer to sign the entire phrase out. Please do a complete and full research from accredited sources before passing along others propaganda and mistakes. If you look in the history of the symbols of satan and actually look at the old pictures and santanic propaganda you will clearly see that none of them have the ILY sign. They all have the thumb tucked in!
Bobby G said
Well here I am again. I am writing to tell you that the things that I wrote before, I don’t believe. They were written only to make the point that to think that God judges us as sinners because of our defects or handicaps, whether born with or aquired later in life, is ludicrous. My brother, by blood, was born into this world and by no cause of his own, he was born mentally handicapped. The doctors delivered him with forcepts, and in so doing, they crushed part of his brain. Now, God had nothing to do with that. I believe that we are all sinners without Jesus’ sacrifice whether we are handicapped or one of the “beautiful people”. To judge someone as inferior because of race, defect, gender (male or female), or any other human standard, is absolutely not Biblical. When Jesus healed the blind man in John, chapter 9, He announced that neither the man nor his parents had sinned so as to bring this man to blindness, but he was born this way so that the glory of God could be made known in his life, and then he healed him. In fact, the only ones that Jesus said were children of the devil, were self-righteous spiritual leaders of the people who thought they were better than anyone else. Again I will reiterate: We are all sinners without Jesus as our Savior and not one of us is any better than anyone else. If we don’t repent of our sins, then we are lost. It doesn’t matter if we claim homosexuality, or if we are a liar, or murderer, or adulterer, or handicapped, or faithful church goer, or minister, or any other thing you want to mention, if we don’t turn to Jesus and give Him our lives, we are lost. And if we turn away from Him after having received Him, we are lost. So I am asking you, Please return to Jesus, repent of your self-righteousness and cast yourself before Him and plead for His mercy. The greatest commandment with a promise is this: To love your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind, and the second is like unto it, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. I am praying for you.
Mod note: I hope you didn’t seriously expect anyone to read all that drivel. Keep it simple, son.
Bobby G said
Ok, in simple terms. Obviously you don’t have any spiritual understanding, and you need Jesus. Love comes from Him and must then go out from us. You don’t, or can’t or don’t want to.
Nuff Said.
sm00bs said
I am so saddened by this. American Sign Language is one of the best communication tools ever to have been invented, and not only for the deaf. I am seriously disheartened by the fact that anyone would deny the love of God and the Word of God to another person. Things like this give true Christians a seriously bad name. No wonder so many people hate Christians.
By the way, the link you shared is now dead.
For what it’s worth, we’re using the alphabet chart you’ve provided here to help us learn to finger spell. Thanks!
I’ll be praying for everyone who thinks denying others the opportunity to learn about God is Christian.
aj said
I’m glad to see that most of the people who have posted are in the real world. How dare you write that “clearly deaf people are Satan’s minions!?” Since when did the good Lord above make you judge of all? I know it’s a little long, but just try to read Bobby G.’s note from Jan 28. I challenge you to comment on it with Bible verses, not criticism. He’s obviously done his homework, where you have not. He’s right on the money. Again, show me verses in the Bible that back up what your saying. I’ll be impressed if you do.
Praying for you.
p.s. it’s not nice to make fun of deaf people just because they aren’t like you… God would not be pleased. (see Jan 18 at 8:32 pm)
aj said
also thought I might thank you for posting the image of the alphabet. I am currently using it as a ASL reference!
Dante said
Here’s a suggestion to help rid the world of a lot of sinners and evil — KILL all the deaf people, and those demon-loving fools who use their possessed fingers to communicate with these obviously damned souls who cannot hear. They are a blight on society! Oh, while you’re at it, we should get rid of all the others who present unnecessary drains on society, like the blind, anyone in a wheelchair (those things are expensive!), and of course, any of the monkey-brained retards born from their crack-chowing whore mothers. Only wholesome people like us who have all of our senses and physical capacity deserve to enjoy this wonderland that He has created for us! Down with the idiots, retards, blind, deaf, mutes, and any other misfits!
(I must admit, I have been inspired by great leaders of the past, especially ones with funny little square moustaches.)
Squeak said
Sometimes a pile of rocks is just a pile of rocks. Just because they happen to be the same doesn’t make it anything other than coincidence.
alisha said
Wow this is amazing stuff. It just confirms my reasons for being atheist. Thank you for your support!!
Hs said
This is absolutly crazy! Gods says that you should love all people and not judge! We are supposed to love and take care of the sick, handicapped, and needy. Little children are not born deaf because they are evil, it is just a genetic mistake. Sign language is like a healing tongue not the devil’s language. You give Christian’s a bad name and I hope that God can heal your heart.
June Gordon said
Oh shut your trap! That “done judge” bullhocky is just crap said by all them “Jesus is Love” Christian-Lite pansies.
The Lord Jesus just says done be the FIRST to judge. Let the one sinless — HIM! — be the one to judge first. Then have at it.
Most folks I come across been judged a BUNCH before I ever get round to them! LOL
Sister Mabel Gargula said
I don’t really understand what you are so upset about or what point you’re trying to make, but I do thank you for pointing out that the link wasn’t working. I asked the webmaster to fix it for me. God bless!
Confused said
I’m confused. Is this site for real? Do people really think God made me hard of hearing?Could he really be so cruel. I volunteer at hospitals, help under privileged children, speak and act kindly to those around me. What more do I have to do for Him to not punish me with these defective ear drums.
ImDrB3 said
Sister Mabel,
Mine eyes are wet, and my heart is full with the soft glow of your enlightenment. I pray you further expose the wickedness of the lame with our brethren; it sorrows me to know that, still even today, there are those amongst us that will continue to cohabitate with those that God has intentionally forsaken such as the nearsighted, big nosed, or those who partake in…oh my, I can hardly type the word.. DANCE. I now shudder from the weight of my shame.
Pray for me my Christian brothers and sisters as I must banish my mother, my father, my sister, most cousins and definitely my maternal grandparents (it was revealed: my grandmother danced the Charleston, the wayward slut)from my now pure life.
Wow do you folks anger easy ’round here!
LIGHTEN UP! It’s God’s will!
ImDrB3
June Gordon said
Confused: Stop feeling sorry for yourselve. I ain’t coming to no pity party.
The Lord has done FAR worst to MILLIONS of folks than what He done to you! It is not our to question why.
He lets little babies starve to death every single day of the year. If He can do that then making someone say “What?” every time someone says something ain’t no big deal.
Cry baby.
Sister Mabel Gargula said
DEAR CONFUSED,
IF GOD DIDN’T DO IT, THEN WHO DID? I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BEING HARD OF HEARING DOESN’T NECESSARILY MAKE YOU DUMB, SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I HOPE THAT HELPS!
Katherine said
You’ve got to be kidding. Perhaps instead of damning others for conditions that they have no control over (such as deafness) you could actually spread God’s love by being a better example. I have to say, I see nothing Christ like in your post.
devils daughter said
Wow, I am amazed that people like you can find an audience. You are the reason I am not a Christian. You spout things about “its Gods job to judge” and yet there you sit! What a crock. Sign language is an amazing language like German or Spanish. Leave it to a rediculous, uneducated freak to spout such bull shit and have an audience! I hope you God judges you as harshly as you judge others.
aj said
Still looking for those Bible verses about deaf people being Satan’s minions… come up with any yet? I’d like to see them. If you’re going to make such strong statements about God, I’m sure they would appreciate you backing the statements up with proof.
aj said
Dear Confused,
God did NOT make you deaf. It is an unfortunate event (if you see it that way) that occurs in this world due to the sin (original and otherwise) that was invited into this world with Adam and Eve at the beginning of time. Remember that peace is NOT the absence of trouble, but the presence of God.
June Gordon said
“God did NOT make you deaf. It is an unfortunate event (if you see it that way) that occurs in this world due to the sin (original and otherwise)”
In other words — you’re being not able to here worth a dang is God getting back at you for Eve eating that dang apple. He is all powerful. Nothing — not nothing– happens without His blessing.
As the Lord told us — are is none so blind as them that won’t see and there is none so deaf as them that won’t here!
aj said
It wasn’t an apple, it was a piece of unspecified fruit. And please, type in English as I’m having a hard time translating what you are trying to say. Maybe you can come up with a few Bible verses? Please give book, chapter and verse.
aj said
It wasn’t an apple, it was a piece of unspecified fruit. And please, type in English as I’m having a hard time translating what you are trying to say. Maybe you can come up with a few Bible verses? Please give book, chapter and verse.
Kine said
June can’t spell, Aj. I’m afraid years of inbreeding in her family have taken their toll.
Bobby G said
Bobby G says,
Thanks Aj for your support. No, they’ll never find the verses that you are requesting because they were excluded from the Bible. Obviously, they are reading from a different translation than I have ever read. And June, the Bible does not say that there is none so blind as they who will not see, nor none so deaf as them who will not hear. That phrase is found in a song called: Everything is beautiful. And I am sure that it relates to you and those of the S B faith that believe the way you do.
Am waiting for those verses myself and am praying for your enlightenment.
Bobby G said
Ok, I wasn’t going to do this but I have no choice. Matthew 23:27-28, “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees. You hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the ouside, but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness. Now, that is a couple of verses for you who condone the self-righteousness of these Arian fanatics who are giving Christians a bad name, to contemplate. I would also suggest that you read from the book of Ephesians chapter4, and verses 29-32. It’s about not letting unwholesome talk come out of our mouths, but only speaking what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may benefit those who are listening. It talks about not grieving the Holy Spirit and getting rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger, brawling and slander, along with all malice. Then, be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other just as in Christ, God forgave you. That’s the mark of a Christian, not what you are preaching. God bless you and bring about a repentant spirit within you and bring you peace.
Kara said
Do you think God is happy with the bile you are spewing? He loves each and everyone of us. He wants all of us to be in Heaven but He knows that we wont all be. He could have just said you know, I know so and so won’t believe in me so I just wont make them. But instead He created ALL of us knowing full well who we would turn out to be. That’s the beauty of life. We aren’t all robots with eternal grace in mind. We have the opportunity to teach and SHOW God’s love to all of His children. Let’s stop giving Christians a bad name by pointing and judging, it’s not up us, it’s up to Him. I’ll pray for all of us.
The only un-forgiveable sin in not believing in the Lord Jesus Christ!
Bobby G said
Hey Kara,
Right on!!!!! You’re right. God could have refused to make us and/or made us robots, but He didn’t. He loves us for who we are, and not what we do. I’m not so sure that He made us to be a certain way or not, but when we turn to Him and give our lives to Him, He changes who we were into who we really can be. The Scripture says that there are things that God hates or despises and as His children, we are to put these things away from us. Not that we do this to perfection, but we strive to be like Him. We too, are to hate sin, and yet learn to forgive our enemies for their wrongs, as well as our friends for their wrongs.
God Bless You, and as you walk in His light, may He lead you to glory.
potty mouth said
have fun in hell you **unChristian word deleted**. how do you feel about the finger? cause thats one sign language gesture im giving you
hard.
eat a **unChristian word deleted**, **unChristian word deleted**.
Mod Maynard note: For shame, you filthy heathen. You’ve bought yourself an eternity of being flayed then being boiled in your own blood. I doubt that Satan will be impressed by your “finger.”
bjenb said
It is sad to think that anyone (Sister Maybell) would say such hurtful things in the name of Jesus. I hope he has mercy and forgiveness for you. Your work here is most unkind and judgmental. I hope those that read this site realize that your over the top views based on misinterpreted old testament teachings– don’t apply to all believers.
Brother Robert L. Yates, Jr. said
bjenb: I would never presume to speak on behalf of Sister Maybell or any other brother or sister in Christ who as God-Fearing Christians can easily counter your godless hate themselves, but let me tell you – you hateful little devil worshipers need to get upon your knees and pray for salvation! And, sorry to disappoint you, but the HOLY BIBLE and SACRED SCRIPTURE applies to everyone whether you like it or not. Hatred is not a sin, in fact the LORD tells us who to hate:
Luke 14: 26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.”
Learn your Bible, then offer INTELLIGENT critique, save your whiny liberal atheism for the godless whores that are stupid enough to believe in it!
Praise Jesus!
Brother Robert L. Yates, Jr.
Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett said
All these LIEberals coming here are proof that ASL is little more than a secret language for communists and sexual deviants. If deaf people really are from God then they should just write in English like decent people would do.
Bobby G said
Well, Robert L. Yates,
The question then needs to be asked of you, do you hate your father, mother, sisters, brothers, wife, children,(if of course you are unfortunate so as to have them), and do you hat yourself? You are claiming to hate everyone in the world, and I don’t believe that even you can do that. So then by your own admission, you are not a child of God. Maybe you need to read the greek for the word hate in that passage and understand that it means to deny yourself of worldly things that would take the place of Jesus in your life. Also you should read Matthew 10:37 and following to get another view of the same advice given by Jesus, Himself. Also you might want to read Matthew 22:34-40, before you make such a rash statement.
Praying for your understanding of God’s Word
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Bobby G: I strongly suggest that you go and study your Bible as it would answer most of your questions. But being a humble servant of Christ, I’ll TRY to help you out of your blaspheme…
You are claiming to hate everyone in the world, and I don’t believe that even you can do that.
Then you plainly don’t understand God’s requirements, read your Bible heathen!
Maybe you need to read the greek for the word hate in that passage and understand that it means to deny yourself of worldly things that would take the place of Jesus in your life.
I see you trying to introduce your Byzantine – Greek & Satanic – ways into this discussion, “read the greek” indeed! I’ll leave all this “Greek Love” to you and read the Bible in its PROPER language, English. Behind Me!-you Byzantine sodomite!
Also you should read Matthew 10:37 and following to get another view of the same advice given by Jesus, Himself.
Oh, I know the verse, indeed the whole Bible, by heart. However, what is obvious is that you do not know your Bible as this simply reaffirms my point: “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:37) The wording here is different than in Luke, but the intent is quite obviously the same. Perhaps you’ve been getting all “Greek” too much and addled yourself.
Save your Greek lover sodomite filth for the liberals and Satanic DemonRats who will enjoy it. True Christian men don’t need or want your Greek love.
Repent Sinner!
Praise Jesus!
Bobby G said
Whew, you made my point exactly. The Bible wasn’t written in English you idiot. It was origionally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The english you are reading is a translation. So maybe you need to study Christian history for yourself. The greek wording is the same for both passages. Anyway, you didn’t answer the Matthew 22 passage. I can’t help you if you can’t see beyond your hate for your fellow man. Maybe you should also read Colossians chapter 3 and verses 5-11, but especially verse 8, where Paul talks about putting off malice(which is extreme hatred). It also takes care of Bigotry in verse ll.
Am continuing to hope that you will learn to love and come out of your hatred for your fellow man be he black, white, yellow, red, etc… With continued prayers for your salvation and the grace of God working in your life.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Bobby G: I don’t know what sort of “bible” you read but I’m sure it has nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ and probably spends a lot of time on Byzantine (Greek) sodomy and the like. However, MY BIBLE – that is, THE HOLY BIBLE – is utterly without error, and it is written in ENGLISH. Prior to God’s revelation of the Holy Scruptures – in ENGLISH – there was nothing but Papists and other godless infidels. To argue that the infalliable ENGLISH is some sort of “translation” of Greek sodomite manuals shows your utter hatred and disdain for God and his faithful followers.
You will be in my prayers and I sincerely hope that the Lord will forgive your heresy and suggestion that HE doesn’t know the proper language in which to make his revelations.
Your Humble Servant in Christ,
Bobby G said
Oh, Mister Yates, I read the same Bible that you do. I do have a question for you tho. What language did Jesus speak while He was on this earth? It certainly wasn’t “English”. So obviously His words had to be written down in the language of the day so that all people could understand what He said. I am still waiting on your answer for the passages that I gave you. They’re in your Bible and written in “English”. And of course you know, that we don’t speak English here in America, we speak American, which is a bastardization of the Queens’ English. But be that as it may, the Bible reads the same, and God condemns hatred in man, ie… “But I say unto you, Love your enemies do good to those who despitefully use you. Get a clue. Oh by the way, the Bible was translated in the 1600’s for King James into the English(old english) langugae. Luther, himself, also translated the Holy Scriptures into the German language. The Bible today is translated into many different languages and the Gospel is spreading around the world because of the common man being able to read and study and understand for himself what is written in God’s Holy Word. Again, get a clue.
Zach said
I lol’d
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Bobby G: Silly pagan, your Satanic deceptions will never undermine my faith!
Let me lay it out for you since you obviously don’t know the Holy Scriptures:
2 Timothy 3:
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness;
You, Bobby G are clearly of the ilk of “evil men” and deceivers out to replace the sanctity of the Holy Scriptures with some sort of Greek sodomy-loving filth. Those with faith are not intimidated by your efforts to corrupt our faith. We see and know your evil and shall relish and rejoice when the Lord takes his vengeance upon thee.
The Bible again tells us how to watch out for your kind:
Deuteronomy 13
1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
I see you, I know you, hateful deceiver! For the Holy Bible – which is inerrant and infallible in ENGLISH – learns us how to see your kind and protect ourselves from your lies and evil.
In the words of Jesus himself: John 10:35: “If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;” – and I read this in ENGLISH, meaning it is true in ENGLISH. The rest of your rhetoric raising up heathen tongues as a substitute for the word of God carries no weight whatsoever.
Save the lies for those who are not protected against them by the words of the Lord, in his language, ENGLISH!
Your humble servant in Christ, and believer in the Holy Scriptures in ENGLISH!
Bobby G said
All I can say is: A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. I read the same scripture as you in English, but I know that it did not originate in English. So, unless Adam, Eve, Abraham, Moses, and all the prophets spoke and wrote in English, then you need to reconsider from whence the words of the Holy Scripture came. And English is not the language of Jesus. He speaks in all languages to all people and that includes the black man, the chinese man, the native American, and even the deaf man who hears the word of God in sign language. There are so many scriptures that I would like to share with you, but you still refuse to comment on those about God’s love and our need to love our fellow man.
sara said
It is really sick, uneducated and pathetic that you call yourself a Christian and can honestly say that a deaf person is satanic and sign language is satanic. It is opinions like yours that actually turn people away from God!
I will pray for your soul.
Bobby G said
Hey Sara,
I agree. Keep up the good work and keep the rebuttals coming. Maybe Mr. Yates will get the message and keep his ungodly comments off of the computer. Sign language is the language of the deaf, because they have no other way to communicate. I studied sign language for about 6 years and have taught it to many people. I would highly recommend it for a second language.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Bobby G: Please don’t be stupid. The deaf can’t communicate because God doesn’t want them to. This is so obvious that it hardly deserves comment, though apparently you and your sort should hear this obvious truth and stop second guessing the Lord. It is not up to man to question the will of God, and if God hates the deaf – as is obviously the case – then who are YOU to question it?
Repent your sins and God may forgive your trespass.
Praise Jesus!
huh said
Wow!!! Now I know the kind of people who burned others at the stake! God hates the deaf? doesn’t want people to communicate. I’m embarrassed that you’re our party base!
huh said
umm…Jesus spoke Aramaic and was a HEBREW! the old testament was originally written in Hebrew…the new one in GREEK! the scripture was translated into English much later. I can see that most of you do not speak another language…but those of us who do (english, spanish, french, and italian) know that it is impossible to literally traslate things as many phrases are peculiar to a language (technically called “idiomatic expressions”).
So, if you really insist on taking the scripture litteraly, I suggest you learn Greek…or at least a little bit of history.
Mod Maynard note: Leaving aside your myriad factual inaccuracies for the moment, please do try to master the American language before you begin criticizing others. While I don’t believe for one moment that you have more than a passing familiarity with any other language (your poor grasp of Jesus’ language – American – proves that), you’re quite wrong it your assumption about our congregation. Shame, shame, shame on you.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Hi “Huh”– I’m sorry to see that you’re an idiot and a Jew (pagan) lover.
Like it or not, the AV 1611 King James Bible – which happens to be in ENGLISH – is the infallible and inerrant Word of God, therefore – as is evident – Jesus himself obviously spoke ENGLISH or whatever he said was designed to perfectly interpret into ENGLISH, America’s language!
Your “Aramaic” or whatever type of drivel you choose to make up is nothing and means nothing.
As for your infatuation with Hebrew and Christ-killing Jews (John 11:18; John 19:7, 12, 14-15; Acts 13:14-15 and so on), save your anti-Christian crap for the liberals and idiots. Of course we all appreciate the Yids in Israel mass murdering the Islamo-Fascists en masse; but it doesn’t change the simple fact that they are godless scum destined for Hell. I even support Israel – Christians United for Israel, CUFI – http://www.cufi.org – as long as the dirty money-grubbing heretics are over there and not contaminating our Christian Republic.
As the Lord himself said – in ENGLISH – “Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” — John 14:6
And that includes your Christ-killing and Christ denying kike freinds to, regardless of how many Islamo-Fascists they slaughter in Palestina.
Praise Jesus!
Arn said
“(your poor grasp of Jesus’ language – American – proves that), ”
Uh, Mod Maynard,, I hate to have to say this, but you are just,, what’s that waord? Oh yeah, stupid.
Jesus never spoke a word of English in his life. America didn’t even exist yet, and “American” is not a language at all. I’m American, and I speak English. You’re,, oh hell, I have no idea what you are, but you obviously speak moronish.
And since you are not going to listen to anything anyone says (that closeminded thing you have) I have just wasted my time trying to talk to an idiot.
And this is the way we feed our trolls, so early in the morning.
Arn said
“And, sorry to disappoint you, but the HOLY BIBLE and SACRED SCRIPTURE applies to everyone whether you like it or not.”
Well, Brother Yates, I assume that means it applies to you too, so I would suggest you read it, because your knowledge or understanding of it is non existant. Stupidity will not get you into heaven, and your bigoted judgemental ways will definately lead you straight to hell.
As for sister Mabel, she should just keep dancing on those poles, it’s probably the only thing she was ever good at.
I spy... said
“Like it or not, the AV 1611 King James Bible – which happens to be in ENGLISH – is the infallible and inerrant Word of God, therefore – as is evident – Jesus himself obviously spoke ENGLISH or whatever he said was designed to perfectly interpret into ENGLISH, America’s language!”
Yates, take a note from Arn and listen to logic. 1611 happens to be quite a few years AFTER Christ died. Do you know when Christ died? It is in English because it was TRANSLATED into English in the times of King James reign in a country that spoke English…hmmm, gee, the general masses spoke English and not Hebrew so English was convenient–what a thought! Hence, the “King James” title. The original is in Hebrew, Greek, and Arabic. Jesus did not speak English, and the Bible actually does not tranlate well into English. In Hebrew, for example, there are seven different words for praise with different meanings. So, in Psalms, you are reading the word “praise” and it could have one of seven meanings, but you wouldn’t know. There are many, many more examples and so little time. In the end, translation does provide error when idiots such as yourself interpret it as you do.
“As the Lord himself said – in ENGLISH – “Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” — John 14:6″
As translated by the dialect of English in another country more than a thousand years later after Christ died….d.a. “Jesus le dijo,…” Oh no! Spanish! It can be said in Spanish; therefore, Jesus said it in Spanish! Yates, that would be your logic…or lack thereof.
huh said
Actually, Moderator, I’m fully fluent in 3 of those languages, with English and Spanish on equal footing (read, write, and speak… with advanced proficiency in grammar and literature) and french being the weakest of those listed. I didn’t list the ones that I have a “passing familiarity” such as latin and portuguese because I don’t consider myself fluent in them. But that is totally off topic, as it was meant to illustrate that those of us who have taken the time to learn other languages are familiar with syntax and things that are lost in translation…there’s no such thing as a literal translation, try http://www.google.com (google languages) and you’ll see. The author of a translation must always paraphrase certain sentences. Therefore, if you want to be literal with the New Testament you MUST learn Greek.
There are some people who wish to ignore the fact that Jesus was Jewish and spoke quoting their scriptures…scriptures that are a part of our Christian tradition. You call the Jews “godless,” yet we worship the same God…which happens to be the same God of Islam. It is literal-minded extreemists like you on all three camps that cause jihads, crusades, and holocausts.
There is more to the world than America and American English, a language that did not exist at that time. If you took the time to actually LEARN something, you’d find that Aramaic (not American) was the language spoken by Jesus. Aramaic is a group of Semitic languages with a 3,000-year history. It is the original language of large sections of the biblical books of Daniel and Ezra, and is the main language of the Talmud. Modern Aramaic is spoken today as a first language by numerous, scattered communities, most significantly by Assyrians and Chaldeans.
Then again, you probably saw the word “semitic” and rushed to deny that our Lord was SEMITIC.
huh said
Mr. Yates…the KJV happened to be written in English because it happened to be written by English speakers for English speakers. The Bible has also been translated into every language on earth (even the pidgin dialects).
You can quote the KJV all day long, but “sola scriptura” is very limited. Having a religious discussion and limiting yourself to only quotes from scripture is like having a highschool reunion and limiting your discussion only to what was in the yearbook. You have to learn some history to understand doctrine. Otherwise you’ll fall for any false prophet who gets an internet certificate in theology to become the pastor of a hokey congregation.
huh said
Also, Remember that God opposes the proud, even if they are right. “[T]he Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kindly to every one, an apt teacher, forbearing, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth” (2 Tim. 2:24-25).
Sister Mabel Gargula said
Arn, what a hateful thing to write about me! What have I ever done to you?
Warrior Jodie said
Obviously if GOD made you deaf he didn’t want you talking to any body! You are being punished for SOME THING BAD you or your parents did. Deal with it!
Warrior Jodie said
Ignore these hateful peoeple Mabel. They are just mad because they are JEALOUS!
Arn said
“Arn, what a hateful thing to write about me! What have I ever done to you?”
To me,,, nothing. But to the true word of God and to true Christians, you have defiled the name of God with your lies, your bigotry, and your judgemental attitude toward good people who read and believe the word as printed in the bible. You twist the words to suit your own agenda, that is a sin. The real bible warns against judging others, but that’s all the idiots here do, and they do so terribly.
By calling deaf people evil you have insulted my mother who has been a faithful Christian all her life, and just because she will live her last few years here on Earth without her hearing does not make her evil or a Satanist, she still reads and lives by the word of God. Your suggestion that her deafness is a sign of evil is just undeniable proof that it’s you that’s evil, not the people you judge as such.
Read the Bible sometime (and don’t say you have, your posts and comments here prove otherwise) and pay attention to the messages it is trying to get through to you, perhaps you will someday see the error in your ways.
Arn said
but I doubt it.
Brother Bob L Yates, Jr. said
See, this is problem with all these so-called “modern Christians” who try to pervert the word of the Lord with all these arguments about “context” and “history” and other worldly concepts. The Holy Bible itself is, quite simply, infallible and inerrant in ENGLISH:
2 Timothy 3:16 – “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”
Notice that this verse is in ENGLISH? Notice that it clearly says that the Holy Bible is given “by inspiration of God” in ENGLISH? The Holy Bible – in ENGLISH – makes it quite clear that it is the direct unadulterated word of God: 1 Corinthians 14:37, Ephesians 3:3-5, 1 Thessalonians 4:15, 1 Timothy 4:1, and so on and so forth. All of which, I should note, is written in ENGLISH!
If you’re some sort of heathen that doesn’t believe in the Bible, of course this means nothing; but for those of us who are true Bible Believers, there is no question here. All your silliness about “Aramaic,” Byzantine (Greek) filth, and Hebrew is just a thinly veiled effort to pervert the infallible and inerrant word of God by confusing it with all manner of non-American silliness. Good Christians don’t need your “context” and “history” –
2 Peter 2:1 – “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
Quite simply, for the true Christian the Bible – as it is, in ENGLISH – is correct and your nonsense is not.
Colossians 2:8 – “Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”
Repent Deceiver! Fall upon your knees and pray for God to forgive your efforts to second guess, twist and pervert His Holy Word.
Arn said
Bob, you are just too stupid for words.
How did the bible get written in English when not a single author of the bible knew English?
And right inside the cover of your King James Version, it says (in English) “Translated from the original texts”. Get that? “Translated”
In 1604, King James I of England authorized that a new translation of the Bible into English be started. It was finished in 1611, just 85 years after the first translation of the New Testament into English appeared (Tyndale, 1526). So you see, there was no part of the Bible in English until over 1500 years after Christ died.
Brother Bob L Yates, Jr. said
Arn wrote: “By calling deaf people evil you have insulted my mother who has been a faithful Christian all her life, and just because she will live her last few years here on Earth without her hearing does not make her evil or a Satanist, she still reads and lives by the word of God.”
I think the obvious point of this article is that “American Sign Language” is evil and Satanic, not necessarily the deaf per se. The deaf are merely the hated and despised of God who are being punished for sin, otherwise why would God allow them to be deaf? Regardless of whether the deaf are inherently evil or merely being punished for their evil acts, I think the Bible makes it clear that they are certainly despised by God:
Malachi 2:2 – “If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings…”
Notice that God’s love is predicated on hearing, so those who cannot hear are obviously not among we the righteous.
Sorry, but your Mom did something to receive the vengeance of the Lord, so stop defending the vile sinner receiving her just punishment from God. You should really stop second guessing the Lord, rest assured he knows better than you.
Praise Jesus!
Brother Bob L Yates, Jr. said
Arn asked: “How did the bible get written in English when not a single author of the bible knew English?”
This just goes to show that you are certainly not a Christian. The author of the Bible is God:
1 Thessalonians 2:13: “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.”
And of course the Lord God knows English. There are no multiple authors of the Bible, just one and He is infallible and all-knowing and obviously favors English. Quit trying to mislead the weak minded with your anti-Christian hatred, deceiver!
Sister Mabel Gargula said
Brother Yates, you beat me to it! Arn, you’re so silly! Who do you think wrote the Bible?! It was God, of course, and God knows everything! If your mother taught you this blasphemy that you’re spewing, I think I know why God had to punish her. So sad.
huh said
You who quote Malachi 2:2 – “If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings…”
This, even if taken literally although totally out of context, has nothing to do with deaf people. Use a little bit of critical thinking, God has gifted us all with this ability even if you choose not to use it. In biblical times, the average person did not carry around a little dog-eared highlighted bible for two reasons: 1) many couldn’t read and (most importantly) 2) there was not bible as we know it. They had to actually HEAR the word of God read TO them. Now, in our great American culture, most people can read. Therefore, the deaf can read God’s word as clearly as you can.
And if you had properly quoted Malachi, you’d notice the statement is addressed to the PRIESTS as an admonishion to teach truthfuly, without partiality (keep reading past your quote). Were these priests deaf? maybe they were “deaf” in a figurative sense of the term…but you’ll never believe that! So the preists were all literally deaf?
Christ’s message was aimed towards those who, having learned the truth, chose to not act on it and take it to heart. You can “hear” scripture and yet not understand it and not be changed by it. Note that the text reads “if ye WILL not hear” and not “if ye CAN not hear.” It is about a willful choice to turn away from the word.
huh said
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too funny!
huh said
and why are you quoting a semitic tract in your arguement when you hate Jews? Malachi is a Jewish book.
huh said
What I see on this board is FEAR. Reading Ms. Gargula’s tract, I see that she is ignorant of sign language and FEARS it. The “i love you” of sign langage looks nothing like the devil’s sign…look at the thumb placement. Perhaps she’s seen people flash the sign at a concert or on tv and is afraid of it.
Fear comes from one place: ignorance. You spew hateful messages because you don’t know better, and it frightens you.
You’re afraid of people who speak languages other than English because you feel threatened that you don’t.
You’re afraid of Jews because you think they know the system better than you…although this is a stereotype.
You’re afraid of those who speak sign language because you don’t understand why they’re deaf…it’s got to be a punishment from god…forget any organic cause of the handicap. Perhaps their moans frighten you…some spirit is trying to come out. They just don’t know what they sound like!
Arn said
Come on Brother Yates,,, why don’t you try to rebute the fact that the bible itself says it was translated from the original texts, are you now calling your own bible a liar? Or do you know what the word translate means? And if you were standing here I would kick your ass for calling my mother a sinner and saying her lack of hearing is punishment from god, she has at best only a couple years of life left and you want to ridicule her. Boy I wish I had you in reach right now, I would give you some punishment that God would never approve of, but you deserve it.
huh said
Read Mark 15:34 in the KJV:
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani? [Eli, Eloi: Heb. or Aramaic,=Lord; lama sabachthani?: Aramaic,=why hast thou forsaken me?], in the New Testament, words of Jesus on the cross. The Greek text retains and translates the original, which is seemingly a quotation of Psalm 22.
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Notice how your KJV clearly states these as our Lord’s words “being interpreted.” that language that our Lord spoke is ARAMAIC. You call our Lord’s words DRIVEL? Drop to your knees and pray for forgiveness.
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huh said
Don’t wory, Arn…he’s a blasphemer! calling our Lord’s words “divel.”
Arn said
And use a little common sense when reading the bible. “The gospel according to Matthew”, :The gospel according to Luke”. Are you getting the picture? None of them say “The gospel according to God”. God didn’t write a single word of the bible. And to say it is God’s word is only according to those who did write it, so there is no proof God had anything to do with it. But the writing of the bible was by men, you can find the proof of that in the bible itself. As I said, you have no knowledge of the bible so quoting it doesn’t help to prove anything except for your own ignorance.
huh said
Leviticus 19:14
Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling-block before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
huh said
Matthew 3:13
“Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.”
Jesus says that he speaks to the multitude in parables because they do not understand…Jesus himself did not teach LITERALLY. Parables are figurative language. Do you question the Lord’s ways?
huh said
Matthew 13:35:
“That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
Parables=figurative language. Do you still choose to question our Lord?
Arn said
Does the bible say, “In the beginning, I created the heavens and the Earth”? No it doesn’t. Is God childish and speaks of himself in the third person? I doubt it.
Are you an idiot? Definately.
huh said
And for your anti-semitism…our Christian fathers were Jewish. the following are all Paul’s words:
Acts 21:39: But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
Acts 22:3: am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Romans 1:16: For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 10:12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Please read the bible carefully before you spew self-righeous hate on the internet.
Brother Bob L Yates, Jr. said
Sister Mabel, of course all real Christians know and understand that the Bible was written by God and in English at that. All this other claptrap is just an effort to undermine our faith in His Word as He wrote it.
“Huh”: here we go again with all the worldly “critical thinking” and whatnot. I’m sure for deceivers like you if the Bible says the word “hear” it doesn’t actually mean “hear” but has some sort of “contextual meaning” having nothing whatsoever to do with what the Holy Bible actually says.
Well, listen here you deceiver, in the real world, the world of God, “Every word of God is pure” (Proverbs 30:6) and means exactly what it says, not some reinterpretation based on worldly “critical thinking” or whathaveyou. If you can’t accept the Word as it is, without spinning and perverting it, then you certainly are no Christian.
Arn wrote: “rebute the fact that the bible itself says it was translated from the original texts,” and “Notice how your KJV clearly states these as our Lord’s words “being interpreted.”
Care to provide the Bible verse that says it was “translated” from some non-American language? You can’t because the Scripture – which is infallible and inerrant – says no such thing.
As for the threats of physical violence, of course we know you faithless deceivers have to resort to violence when confronted by steadfast unwavering faith in the Lord. However, if you don’t want your mother talked about, you probably shouldn’t have mentioned her. If you want to flaunt her condition online you can’t be too surprised if someone responds by pointing out the obvious, that God doesn’t like your mother for whatever reason. It just isn’t that complicated: if God liked your mother He wouldn’t be taking her hearing.
And this: “God didn’t write a single word of the bible” proves beyond any doubt that you are no Christian. As some sort of non-Christian heretic it can come as no surprise that you refuse to accept the authority of the Holy Bible. There is nothing more to say. If you won’t accept the truth – the words of the Holy Bible – then the rest is just empty godless sophistry.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 – For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Give up your heresy and hatred of the Lord!
huh said
actually, Proverbs 30:6 states: “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
Are you adding onto the Lord’s words Mr. Yates? And you still haven’t answered for calling Jesus’ language “drivel”
huh said
taking random quotes out of content the way you do is exactly what “spinning and perverting it” is all about!
Brother Bob L Yates, Jr. said
“Huh” – regarding your constant Jew-loving crap, please go back and read your Bible a little closer. Yes, Paul began as a Jew but renounced that heresy when he accepted Jesus into his heart, as any godless Jew can do. However, as for those that reject the divinity and truth of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Thessalonians 2: 14-16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
Contrary to all the “critical thinking” misinterpretation of the Holy Scriptures, the Bible itself makes it rather clear what God thinks of godless Jews: Matthew 23:31, 35; Matthew 27:25; John 5:16, 18; John 7:1; John 11:8; Acts 3:14-15; and so on.
huh said
“Care to provide the Bible verse that says it was “translated” from some non-American language? You can’t because the Scripture – which is infallible and inerrant – says no such thing.”
I did…it was Mark 15:34 in the KJV:
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
Jesus spoke in Aramaic…or is “eloi,eloi, lama sabachthani” in Webster’s?
Arn said
Care to provide the Bible verse that says it was “translated” from some non-American language? You can’t because the Scripture – which is infallible and inerrant – says no such thing.
Look on the inside cover of your bible there, stupid. Of course the scriptures don’t say that, the writers of the scriptures had no idea that it would be translated into other languages.
And look at your own quote, “the word of God, which ye heard of us”
That says that it was Gods word but you heard it from someone else. Heresay isn’t accepted in court and it proves nothing here either. And now, show me where in the bible that it does say it was written in English, In fact, just show me the word “English” anywhere in the bible. You can’t because they never heard of the English language. But then, you’re just being stupid so I will let you be stupid, it’s what you’re best at.
And get away from that infallible and inerrant crap, I can post lots of scriptures here from your own King James version of the bible that directly contradicts each other. Or is that because men wrote it and men are fallible? Face it, you can never win an arguement with me on biblical knowledge, unless you read the bible first, which I have, every single word of it several times, and studied it, yet there is never any mention of english, or America. Nor is there a single wotrd in it that supports any of your idiotic claims on this site.
You are the worst kind of sinner, you call my Christian mother evil, you lie about the word of God, and you use the bibl;e to support your own heathenistic ideals. I’ll see you in hell.
huh said
Judging Others
1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5 “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
huh said
Mr. Yates…I’d hate to see your measuring tape on Judgement Day!
Arn said
So now it’s time to go have a little anal sex with my sister. In Song of Solomon, Solomon had anal sex with his sister so it must be ok, after all, the bible is infallible. Oh wait, what was that other line? Oh yeah, “My sister, my wife”. Maybe you were right, maybe they did know about America, Solomon seems to be from Arkansas.
huh said
I love you, Arn! You crack me up! I agree with you whole-heartedly.
Brother Bob L Yates, Jr. said
Well, here goes more ranting and raving trying to apply “critical thought,” “context,” and so on to The Word.
What does the Bible itself have to say about all this worldly twisting and perversion of the Holy Scruptures?
2 Corinthians 10:5 – Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
As for all the pathetic insults, you don’t bother me. The Bible has prepared me for your sort:
2 Timothy 2:1-3 – “Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.”
Your hatred of the Lord has no effect on me, but will certainly be remembered in the end:
Psalms 58:10-11 – “The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. So that a man shall say, Verily there is a reward for the righteous: verily he is a God that judgeth in the earth.”
Arn said
“Mr. Yates…I’d hate to see your measuring tape on Judgement Day!”
It’s not a normal measuring tape anyway, he moved all the lines closer together to make himself feel “bigger”
Arn said
“What does the Bible itself have to say about all this worldly twisting and perversion of the Holy Scruptures?”
It says not to do it, so I suggest you stop it before he gets really pissed off at you.
Arn said
Oooops, too late. He’s already pissed.
Bobby G said
Careful Arn,
If you take it in context, Solomon is not talking about anal sex, and wives were referred to as sisters in the jewish culture. But, in speaking of Biblical writings, and as to whether God wrote the Bible, I agree with you. In 11Timothy 3:16, it says that “All scripture is God breathed, or given by inspiration of God,” depending on which version you read. Never does it say that it is written by God. I believe that God is still the author, but He never lifted a pen, except for when He wrote on the tablets of stone for Moses. Oh, and once on the wall for the king of Babylon. Anyway, I digress, and I wanted to say that to argue with Mr.Bob Yates is futile, as I’m sure that you have found out. I tried previously, as you probably read, and the sexual pervert, child abuser, just ranted and raved with no intelligence. Good luck.
Arn said
The Bible was written in the languages of ancient Palestine: Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Old Testament has been transmitted to us primarily in these languages. Written mainly in Hebrew, it was translated into Greek (the Septuagint) before the text became quite stable. Some chapters and verses seem to have been written in Aramaic (Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Dan 2:4-7:28 and perhaps a few other verses) or at least they have been transmitted to us in Aramaic. The manuscripts do not distinguish them from the rest of the text.
Aramaic
Aramaic is a Semitic language closely related to Hebrew. Its dialects have been in use since the ninth century BC. The Assyrians made Aramaic the common language of the Near East. Some parts of the Old Testament are written in Aramaic (Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Dan 2:4-7:28 and perhaps a few other verses).
Hebrew in old (Phoenician), Qumran (Aramaic) and modern scripts
In exile and under the empire Aramaic letters replaced the old (Phoenician) script for writing Hebrew, first in everyday life and then for copying the Bible.
The presence of some Aramaic words in the NT (e.g..: “talitha cumi”, “maranatha” and “golgotha”) suggests that Jesus spoke a dialect of Aramaic.
Greek
The opening words of Amos in Greek
“uncials” (capitals only) and “miniscules”
Greek was the language of Alexander’s empire and so the language of the East under the Romans. It was the common language of the New Testament writers. An early translation of the Hebrew Bible, the LXX, makes Greek important for Old Testament text criticism.
Hebrew
Was the spoken and written language of ancient Israel. It is close to other Canaanite languages. Other Canaanite dialects are Phoenician, Moabite, Edomite and Ammonite. These “tongues of Canaan” are close to others in the Northwest Semitic branch of the Semitic language family. In particular Ugaritic (Canaanite in culture if not geography, which is similar to Hebrew) and Aramaic (language of some chapters of the OT). After the exile, under imperial rule, Aramaic became the language of the land.
English
English was never spoken or written in the Holy Land. The Catholic translations were completed in 1391 (in Roman) and the first English version (later known as the King James version because it’s translation was ordered by King James I of England)wasn’t translated until 1611. English was the language of King James, not of God or of Jesus.
Now, without getting totally stupid on us again, try and find just one piece of evidence to the contrary of what I just said, and don’t say “the bible doesn’t say that” because that’s just claptrap and you know it, the writers of the bible knew nothing of the translations that would come centuries after their deaths.
Arn said
Actually Bobby, I was just making a point to mr Yates (I know, a pointless activity trying to make a point to him) However, the line does say “her bowel was moved for him” and bowel does refer to anal not vaginal activity. And wives were often referred to as sisters, but not normally in the same sentence. Some may argue that these discrepancies are due to the problems always encountered when trying to translate from one language to another (syntax errors, lol) however, Yates’ bible was written in English to begin with, so we can only take his bible exactly as it was written because it was never translated. God sat a table one night and wrote the whole thing all by himself.
Arn said
By the way, your link leads to another idiot’s site. Helen Keller was never an occultist (check for yourself on real sites, not flaky sites like the one you linked to) And that idiot also shows several pictures of your own Republican president Bush giving that sign over and over again, so I guess your hero is also a Satanist. I’ve seen Bush praised by you folks over and over again, but his favorite hand signal seems to be that of the devil. Any real biography of Helen Keller will make it clear that she was not an occultist.
The only truly evil thing here is the people that post this crap.
Arn said
“Sorry, but your Mom did something to receive the vengeance of the Lord, so stop defending the vile sinner receiving her just punishment from God. You should really stop second guessing the Lord, rest assured he knows better than you.”
Call my mother a vile sinner again, and I promise you I will find you. Got that, asshole.
Bobby G said
Hey Arn, I know that you know, but bowels in old English has the meaning of “heart”, or innermost being. And why is this unrepentant sinner calling your mom a vile sinner? This is really uncalled for. But then if you consider the source of the accusation, and if you read on other parts of this site, you will find that Yates is exactly what I said he is. You are not going to get thru to him, for satan guards him very well and keeps him ignorant of the blessings of the truth.
God bless you
I spy... said
And the brain cells go to Arn and Huh!
As for Mabel, Yates, and the annoyance that is Jodie…go read a book for comprehension, and better luck next time!
Arn said
Bobby, you’re missing my point. My point here is that Yates’ bible was written entirely in American English with no translations, so they must read it as if it were written by an American (which according to him it was, God is American) so in that context, we must take all things in the bible to mean exactly what it means to Americans, in America bowel only has one meaning (when referring to the human body), just as in America the only time your wife is your sister is when she really is your sister. That entire comment was for the sole purpose of pointing out to him (as if he gets any points) that if the bible were originally written in American English, then that would be the meaning of Song of Solomon, it’s ok to sodomise your sister. I do understand the bible’s meanings and the problems associated with translations (I speak three other languages myself) and the differences between modern definitions of some words as opposed to their original meanings in other languages.
By the way, you should read his blog on Myspace, and the rediculous way he tries to prove that Obama is the Anti-Christ, I laughed my ass off at that. And he ended it with a bunch of irrelevant numbers that he made add up (or actually subtract) to equal 666, but of course he first said to ignore the 0 in one number, or it wouldn’t come out right,,lol.
Arn said
Oh yeah, and he called my mother a vile sinner because she is deaf.
huh said
Mr. Yates calls reading scripture within it’s context a “twisting and perversion of the Holy Scruptures.” In his words, reading the entire chapter is twisting the words. I have a difference of opinion. If you want to read something literally, you must read the verse in the context of the chapter. Quoting just the verse to make it fit your own needs in an arguement is “twisting and perversion of the Holy Scruptures.” See, for instance, his use of Malachi 2:2 – “If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings…”
If you read the preceeding sentence, you can clearly see that the message is addressed to the Hebrew priests…NOT to deaf people like Mr. Yates would like you to think.
Then he claims that the bible was written in English because the KJV is in English and that this is the reason Christ speaks English. Yet, he chooses not to address Mark 15:34 in the KJV:
“And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Where Jesus is clearly speaking in Aramaic (a language that he calls “drivel” made up by, of all people, little old me).
Instead, Mr Yates and ms. Jodie insult Arn’s mother because she’s deaf, even though the KJV plainly states: Leviticus 19:14
Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumbling-block before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
They are afraid of people who speak other languages and think that Hebrew and Greek, although the original languages of the scripture, are heathen languages. Only American English is valid…yet, Americans are to submit to King James?
They say that we are not to use critical thinking or common sense when we read our bibles. Yet, the Lord gave us these gifts that we may know right and wrong and exercise free will. If you have an open channel to the Lord (we don’t need priests to show us the way, according to them) but can’t use it unless we agree with whatever they say.
Funny how I’ve yet to meet a “born again” christian who has come to his/her faith because their life was actually going well. Some of us don’t have to be attacked while dancing on poles or hit rock bottom and join alcoholics anonymous to find the Lord.
You have to look at the bible as a complete entity…if you only quote bits and pieces you will constantly find contraditions. It is only when you look at it in its entirely, and at human history, that the word of the Lord becomes comes through properly.
Obama for prez! said
Ha! I finally figured out this board (it took me long enough). Everyone here is a liberal from California. You are writing sadistic freakish stuff so that any rational person who may have been a Republican will freak out and vote for Obama!
And you thought you can get away with it! Scooby Do!
Arn said
Huh,, I didn’t know it was you that made up the Aramaic language, very good, you should come visit me and together we can also make up the Hebrew and Greek languages, then perhaps we could translate the American bible into those languages and try to claim that it was originally written in those languages,,,,, Oh wait……..
Huh said
actually, Arn…I’ve made up an even cooler language…think I’ll call it “latin.” Tell me what you think:
1 In principio creavit Deus cælum et terram.2 Terra autem erat inanis et vacua, et tenebræ erant super faciem abyssi: et spiritus Dei ferebatur super aquas.3 Dixitque Deus: Fiat lux. Et facta est lux.4 Et vidit Deus lucem quod esset bona: et divisit lucem a tenebris.5 Appellavitque lucem Diem, et tenebras Noctem: factumque est vespere et mane, dies unus.
I find it awesome because we can use the characters on our keyboard!
Huh said
Obama for prez is onto something
Mod note: Dear Dummy, you and “Obama for prez” have the same I.P. address. No one is fooled by you responding to yourself. It’s rather pathetic, really.
Huh said
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani?
Arn said
I posted a comment a few hours ago on the languages of the bible, including links to actual biblical sites on the languages spoken in the holy land during the times of the bible, it said it was awaiting moderation for awhile, then it disappeared completely, so either they take a very long time for moderation or they don’t want any comments with reliable links posted.
Oh, and Obama for Prez could be onto something, but only for some of them, there are some that really are conservative republicans that actually believe what they say here. I already have my own list of who believes what they say and who doesn’t, they would probably find it kind of scary to see how accurate my list is. The same goes for the b4b site, I know which ones really believe their bull and which ones don’t, but for the most part they just want to argue, and posting outrageous lies is the easiest way to start an arguement. But sometimes it’s fun to just sit and feed the trolls.
Arn said
Oh, and don’t call your new language Latin, that sounds like it could be a satanic language that could be used by such evil people as scientists, they could even give Latin names to some of their evil discoveries, like say, cannabis sativa.
Huh said
ouch…or they may accuse us of being papists! thanks…hadn’t thought of that!
Huh said
Of course they’d delete it…they subscribe to “sola scriptura”, only scripture. The bible has to be taken literally, without regards to historical context. It’s like going to your highschool reunion and having to limit conversation to only what was in the yearbook!
Huh said
Unfortunately, an arguement requires development of an idea.
Arn said
I wrote it at 7:30, so if it’s still in moderation, they must be awfully slow readers.
ROMAN CATHOLIC said
Evangelical and Fundamentalist Protestants, who place their confidence in Martin Luther’s theory of sola scriptura (Latin: “Scripture alone”), will usually argue for their position by citing a couple of key verses. The first is this: “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name” (John 20:31). The other is this: “All Scripture is
inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be equipped, prepared for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:16–17). According to these Protestants, these verses demonstrate the reality of sola scriptura (the “Bible only” theory).
Not so, reply Catholics. First, the verse from John refers to the things written in that book (read it with John 20:30, the verse immediately before it to see the context of the statement in question). If this verse proved anything, it would not prove the theory of sola scriptura but that the Gospel of John is sufficient.
Second, the verse from John’s Gospel tells us only that the Bible was composed so we can be helped to believe Jesus is the Messiah. It does not say the Bible is all we need for salvation, much less that the Bible is all we need for theology; nor does it say the Bible is even necessary to believe in Christ. After all, the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal; they learned from oral, rather than written, instruction. Until relatively recent times, the Bible was inaccessible to most people, either because they could not read or because the printing press had not been invented. All these people learned from oral instruction, passed down, generation to generation, by the Church.
Huh said
Mr. Yates, you continue to miss the literal meaning of what you’re quoting. For example you try to use the following verses to prove that god hates jews:
“…Paul began as a Jew but renounced that heresy when he accepted Jesus into his heart, as any godless Jew can do. However, as for those that reject the divinity and truth of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Thessalonians 2: 14-16 – For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.”
notice, Paul mentions his experience preaching to the Jews (negative as it may be) in the context of telling his audience that they too have suffered these things of their own countrymen. In plain english: Paul, a Jew, suffered from Jews just like the gentiles he is addressing suffer from other gentiles, their own countrymen (non-jews).
Again…you can’t take the bible literally if you’re going to quote if out of context….if you want to take a verse literall, you have to consider the entire chapter!
Huh said
“After all, the earliest Christians had no New Testament to which they could appeal; they learned from oral, rather than written, instruction. Until relatively recent times, the Bible was inaccessible to most people, either because they could not read or because the printing press had not been invented. All these people learned from oral instruction, passed down, generation to generation, by the Church.”
right on! People take if for granted that we have modern paperback bibles that we carry around, all dog-eared and highlighted with our favorite verses. People in the early church didn’t have these…and they were too busy being martyred!
Huh said
sorry about the bold…never quite got used to html coding.
Huh said
btw, RC…you have just put a burning cross on yourself! watch out, they’re going to try to get you dirty papist/mary worshipper. hope you gots some good apologetics from the KJV yearbook!
Huh said
parable
Main Entry: par·a·ble
Pronunciation: \ˈpa-rə-bəl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin parabola, from Greek parabolē comparison, from paraballein to compare, from para- + ballein to throw — more at devil
Date: 14th century
: example; specifically : a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle
So, if Jesus…in his OWN words…says he taught in “parables”…then who are you, o sinner!, to question if that there are things in the bible which are fictitious stories ?
Huh said
let’s not forget that our English language is about 60% derived from latin via french and roman conquests of the british (most of the rest is germanic)…and that those languages are heavily derived from greek!
Arn said
hmm, here it is, another day and my comment is still in moderation,, why not just post it already? I know you put comments with links into moderation, but you should like those links, they go to biblical pages.
Arn said
“As the Lord himself said – in ENGLISH – “Jesus saith unto him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me” — John 14:6″
Uh, who said that again? “Jesus saith unto him” The Lord obviously wasn’t the one talking, unless, like God, Jesus talks about himself in the third person. Oh yeah, it was one of the authors of the bible that said (or wrote) that. So basically that whole sentence was written by someone else, so, like all biographical works, it is subjected to the writers own account of the events, just like all of the books of the bible, that’s why the new testament has so many different views on the life of Jesus. Because each book was written by a different person and subjected to that person’s own viewpoint. Thus quotes from the same conversations are different in the different books. Which is why those books begin with “The gospel according to”. But I still haven’t found the book that begins with “The gospel according to God” or “The gospel according to Jesus”. Just according to Matthew, Luke, John, etc. and they don’t all agree on all points, so whose is the correct and infallible one?
Arn said
Thank you,, it’s finally out of moderation, but what happened to the links? Or did I not get them embedded properly? I am kinda dumb when it comes to computers. So I am now patiently waiting for mr Yates’ proof that comment #120 is in error. Of course, his proof will be “The bible doesn’t say that”. Such a childish little idiot he is.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Wow, you little sinners and deceivers have been busy prattling your defamation of the Lord and His Holy Word. Isn’t there some sort of Atheist, God-hater, or Democrat board out there on the interwebs where your filth would be more appropriate? Nevertheless, I guess I will respond to a few of the more outrageous comments in the hope that you’ll renounce your hatred of the Lord and accept the Truth.
First regarding all this “Aramaic” rubbish, as is obvious you’ve just made this up so you can freely misinterpret and pervert the Holy Scripture and then say “see, that is what was meant in ‘Aramaic.’” Who speaks this ‘Aramaic’? I’ve never heard of the ‘Aramaic’ people or the land of “Aramia” (? – I guess if you make up a language you can make up a country to complement it).
Your entire argument for this “Aramaic” nonsense seems to come from Mark 15:34, but the Holy Bible doesn’t make any mention of “Aramaic” nor does it suggest that the Lord’s comment was in this supposed language. I would argue that Jesus was – in the Passion – speaking in tongues, in fact, the idea that his cry was “interpreted” fully endorses this perspective:
I Corinthians 12:8-11 – “For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.”
So just save all your “Aramaic” claptrap for those willing to fall for this simplistic deception.
Second, regarding Leviticus 19:14 and cursing the deaf: if you would bother to read what I’ve written as opposed to twisting it as you do the Holy Word, you would notice that at no point have I judged (I am not a judge and have no power to impose judgment) nor cursed the deaf. Instead I’ve simply pointed out the very obvious fact that obviously God doesn’t like the deaf or else he would not have made them so. This isn’t judgment or cursing, just pointing out observable reality. If God liked these people why would he deny them – or take away – their hearing? So get over yourselves, I don’t need to judge or curse, the Lord Almighty has done that, I simply state the obvious.
As for these other languages: Hebrew (the language of the godless Jews), Greek (the language of Byzantine sodomites), and Latin (the language of the Mary-worshippers and Mexicans); plainly none of these have anything whatsoever to do with anything Godly. The very suggestion that God would use such heathen tongues to reveal his word is patently anti-American and anti-Christian. Why don’t you people just take yourselves off to Israel, Greece, or the Vatican and quit defaming Christianity in God’s Holy Republic, the United States.
As for using all this sinful “critical thinking” and “common sense” and such rubbish, you are right, man does have these abilities – just as man has the ability to be a heretic or a homosexual – but that doesn’t mean the righteous are supposed to use these abilities. Yes, you can be a “critical thinker” just as you can be a murderer, a homosexual, or a Democrat: but that doesn’t mean you SHOULD be any of these things, at least not if you love the Lord thy God. The Bible makes it quite clear how you should think:
2 Corinthians 10:5 – “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
So get over yourselves. Yes, you have the freedom to defame the Word of God, but it doesn’t mean you should and certainly no real Christian would.
Arn wrote: “My point here is that Yates’ bible was written entirely in American English with no translations, so they must read it as if it were written by an American (which according to him it was, God is American)” – See? You do understand you just reject the Truth, probably because you hate God and hate America. Why don’t you just leave our Godly Republic if you hate it so much? There are plenty of places where godless heretics are welcome, like Israel and Saudi Arabia, why not give it shot?
Arn also wrote: “By the way, you should read his blog on Myspace, and the rediculous way he tries to prove that Obama is the Anti-Christ, I laughed my ass off at that.” – I’m glad you had such a grand time laughing at the rise of the Beast. One could expect nothing else from such a blatant devil worshiper. For real Christians however, it is very disturbing – and exciting – as it means the End Times are upon us. Praise Jesus!
I think this addresses all the substantive points, the rest is just a lot silliness: sinners reveling in blaspheme.
You people will be in my prayers and I hope that the Lord will forgive you because otherwise you’re in for a very long and painful eternity.
Arn said
“if you would bother to read what I’ve written as opposed to twisting it as you do the Holy Word,”
You’re right, we should believe you over the bible,,, stupid ass.
Did you know that most leaders have at one time or another been called the anti-christ, and the way they supported those claims was always the same, and they used the same scriptures for evidence, and all of them used a bunch of silly numbers to add up to 666, just as you did, so your whole post there was just a copy from the previous claims on who is the anti-christ. Shall I take each of your claims on that post and show you where you got them from and who they were used on before? And then show you where you changed the meanings of the verses in Revelation to support that claptrap. Being a copycat doesn’t make you right, it just makes you a copycat and an idiot.
So we can now add Obama to the list of former anti-christs, which includes: Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul (they used the roman numerals on his sash for evidence on that one) Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, James Brady, and the list goes on. You are not just a copycat, but a very poor one at that.
Mod Note: Proof that you Liberals have a hard time reading and understanding the truth.
Bobby G said
Arn, I didn’t miss your point, and I was hoping Mr.Yates would be reading so that he would make a comment and so that maybe he would understand the difference between Old English, of course they couldn’t speak as well as the Americans do, and the “english” of today. By the way, I read what Mr. Yates said about Obama. The man is a total fruitcake. Was that the one where he derives the number 666 from roman numerals found in his name and other words? What a crock. Anyway, again, you are fighting against total lunacy and that’s an arguement that can’t be won. If there is no rationalization, points are moot. Oh by the way, Huh, nice Gen.1:1 and following, but where did you get that literary writing? Don’t you know that the only true language in the world is American English? Shame on you lol. Yates, once again your mentally deficient state of mind pours out blather that is understandable only by those who subscribe to “Ignoramous Weekly”, and you need to read again Lev. 19:14 and understand that God loves the deaf, or He would not say that you shouldn’t put a stumbling block in their way. The punishment is given to the ones who commit the sin, ie.. the stumbling block, not the person who has the deafness.
Arn said
“Mod Note: Proof that you Liberals have a hard time reading and understanding the truth.”
Maybe, try posting the truth here sometime and let’s see.
Arn said
Oh yeah, and I am not a liberal, so that wasn’t meant for me anyway, was it?
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Arn: How dare you insinuate that any Christian has ever charged former Christian President Ronald W. Reagan – America’s greatest and Godliest President – with being some sort of “anti-Christ.” !!! Does your blaspheme know no bounds? I know all manner of godless heathens might have made this charge, but they know not God so obviously they have no idea what they are talking about. However, to suggest that an actual Christian would make this charge is beyond the pale of absurdity.
Bobby G writes: “Lev. 19:14 and understand that God loves the deaf, or He would not say that you shouldn’t put a stumbling block in their way. The punishment is given to the ones who commit the sin, ie.. the stumbling block, not the person who has the deafness.”
The stumbling block relates to the blind, not the deaf, you idiot. Try reading the verse before commenting on it.
And just to top off the lunacy, Arn writes: “and I am not a liberal” ?!?!?!?!?!?!? Well maybe just a full blown Communist? You certainly aren’t any sort of Christian and so I’m sure you hate the Republican Party and good Christian American values.
You folks really need to just sit down, shut up, read the Bible (in English, as it is, without all this sinful “critical thinking” and heresy), accept the Truth of it and turn your lives over to the Lord Jesus Christ. I’ll pray for you.
Bobby G said
II Cor.10:17-18, “But let him who boasts, boast in the Lord. For it is not the one who commends himself who is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends”. That’s for you Mr. Yates. I have yet to hear about the Lord commending you except by your own boasting.
I’m with you, Arn. I see not much truth posted here, just a lot of self-justification. Maybe the Lord will open their eyes, if they allow Him to do so.
Bobby G said
Mr. Yates, I understand that it is talking about the blind, but you lump the blind with the deaf and the lame and any other physical defect, with being a sin. The point I’m making is that physical defects are not what makes us sinful, it is the attitude of the heart. Cursing the deaf, is exactly the same as putting a stumbling block in front of the blind. They both will bring about the wrath of God upon you.
Connie Mack said
Bobby – when did you decide you could come into a Christian based forum and dismiss the teachings of the Holy Bible so quickly? Bottom line is you are being disrespectful of Brother Yates. If you can’t behave in a Christian manner then you should go.
Don’t the door hit you where the good Lord split you either.
Arn said
Sit down and shut up,,, hmmm, there’s something you should try.
I didn’t say it was Christians that made those claims, I just said the claims were made, obviously from the same kind of lunatics that are on this site (like you) and they were all wrong, and time will also prove that you are wrong too.
And of course I am not a communist. Nor am I a democrat. You must be the last person on this site that doesn’t know where I stand on politics.
Ever heard of hippies? You know, those long haired freaks that live in the woods and grow their own (vegetables, that is)and just happen to realise the futility of all forms of government. I mean, after 6000 years no form of government has ever worked, so obviously, politics is a man made mistake that will, unfortunately, continue on until the end of mankind on this planet.
Nor have you or anyone else ever heard me say I was a Christian. I have read and studied the bible all of my life, but that was for knowledge not for religious reasons. The bible was written by men during a time when man had very limited knowledge of the world and the universe around them. God was created by man out of man’s own fears (man fears what he does not understand). All of the Gods (including yours) serve the purpose of explaining the things man could not explain. The gods of the ancient Romans and Greeks were used to explain such things as storms at sea (Poseiden), human emotions like love (Aphrodite) earthquakes (poseiden again) the sun and light (Apollo) etc. Your god was used to explain those same things. Each has it’s own writings and legends to support the existence of their gods. We now accept most of these as just myths, but the ancients really believed in them. And just as in the writings of the bible, the writings of all of these other gods (including those still worshipped today) are all mostly historically correct. Even the works of Homer were correct historically (the trojan war, etc. were all parts of our real history). The only real differences are the names given to the gods and what each religion interprets as the wishes of their gods. Ever wonder why God never speaks to two people at the same time? Ever wonder who it was that was listening to the conversations between Adam and Eve so they could write them down hundreds of years later? Or after Cain killed Abel and went off to the land of Nod to get married, ever wonder where all those people came from? Did Adam and Eve suddenly have a whole mess of kids and send them to Nod by federal express so that Cain’s sister would be there waiting to marry him? Since the bible is infallible and inerrant, please explain how it tells us where all of those other people came from.
If the bible is so infallible, why does it go to such lengths to point out that the Earth is on a fixed foundation and unmoving, when we all know it is rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun, while at the same time also orbiting around the galactic hub? And please don’t go off on one of those rants supported by the flat Earth society, they have been totally debunked by so many people that even a child can outdebate them.
so, no, I am not a liberal, democrat, republican, or a christian, I am a realist, I only believe in what is real, and I only believe in the truth, there is a lot of truth in the bible, and the moral values set down in the bible are also the moral values I hold dear in my own life. I just don’t go as far as holding to the supernatual aspects of the bible. Those are there simply to explain what they could not explain any other way. Everyone did it all around the world, even the native Americans (which weren’t white by the way)had their gods to explain the exact same things, though their gods were largely the spirits of their forefathers or the spirits of animals.
Prove me wrong. Without using your senseless rants, which only prove your own ignorance.
Connie Mack said
You are a fool, Arn, a blamed fool. Nobody has the time to read that diatribe you posted. You are wasting valuable bandwidth with that nonsense. Keep it brief in the future
Arn said
Oh yeah, one last thing here, you said in your blog in that little bit of nonsense about how you can make his numbers equal 666, you spelled his name with a V instead of a U because there was no U in Latin.
Didn’t you also say that Latin wasn’t a language? The only real language is American, so shouldn’t you redo that whole thing in American? Of course then those letters wouldn’t mean anything, and your whole point gets lost in the stupidity of the post.
Arn said
“You are a fool, Arn, a blamed fool. Nobody has the time to read that diatribe you posted. You are wasting valuable bandwidth with that nonsense. Keep it brief in the future”
Coming from someone with your mentality, I’ll take that as a compliment.
Arn said
On the other hand, Connie, perhaps you’d like to be the one to try and prove me wrong. Your little mind should be easy to outdebate. Care to try?
Mod Note: Connie Mack would chew you up and spit you out like a grape seed.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Thank you Arn for coming clean with everyone.
I really do feel sorry for the lost and godless people like you, wondering about aimlessly in the world, hating God and therefore being hated by God. Rest assured I never thought you were a Christian as no Christian could ever spout off all the evil God-hating filth that you have; but at least now everyone understands that you’re no Christian and know not God, therefore you know nothing. All your worldly “reality” nonsense is nothing – bearing nothing, meaning nothing, and providing nothing – without unquestioning faith in the Lord and His Word. It is only in that context and in humbling oneself before the Lord thy God that all the other knowledge gains value and meaning. Without God there is nothing and without God you are nothing.
Of course you are not alone; there are plenty like you trying to find meaning and purpose without the Lord and proposing that their “reality” and “critical thinking” can substitute for absolute faith in God and unquestioned obedience to His Word. But we all know that this effort will be to no avail as without God, the rest is just so much meaningless nonsense.
I can’t placate your anger in not knowing God, and only He can absolve you for your blasphemies, but I strongly believe that if you lay your obstinate “reason” aside and accept the Lord and His Word you can find peace and salvation through Christ. Believe it or not, the world can be a better place for your kind if only you would accept your place as servant and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and join the Republican Party.
I will pray for you and hope that one day you’ll know the love of the Lord.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Hi Sister Connie! Never fear, these godless fools cannot undermine the faith of the righteous, this is why I continue to post here exposing their perfidities and idiocies. Frankly, it is fun to expose the Satan lovers for what they are. Notice how all their empty arguments fall flat before His Word? To date not one of them has managed to make a sensible point. LOL.
Praise Jesus!
Arn said
“He lets little babies starve to death every single day of the year.”
Wow! Your God sure is compassionate, isn’t he?
Arn said
Mod Note: Connie Mack would chew you up and spit you out like a grape seed.
thanks for the vote of confidence, but I’ve never been outdebated by an idiot before, outranted maybe, but never outdebated.
Mod Note: Just so we are clear, no one here has a shred of condfidence in you, dear. None.
Arn said
“Mod Note: Just so we are clear, no one here has a shred of condfidence in you, dear. None.”
Yeah, I know, isn’t it wonderful?
Arn said
To date not one of them has managed to make a sensible point. LOL.
No you haven’t, but please, keep trying, I love comedy.
Arn said
“Thank you Arn for coming clean with everyone.”
That wasn’t “coming clean” you just haven’t been paying attention, or you were not here for awhile, back several months ago when I first found this site, I made all of those points very clear in the beginning, I was just reiterating them for you, since you seemed to be the only one ignorant of my standings on these things, But you haven’t said a thing that could discredit what I said, why is that? Can’t do it without senseless ranting can you?
I spy... said
Connie, in the past six months you have yet to contribute anything worthy of “debate.”
Yates, that was a very long post up there. Perhaps before Connie yells at you,…you should know that you’re using up much needed bandwidth. Keep it brief!
Mod, it doesn’t take confidence in Arn. He has wiped the floor with all of you all by himself. Good thing confidence from others isn’t a necessity, eh?
Arn said
“I can’t placate your anger in not knowing God, and only He can absolve you for your blasphemies, but I strongly believe that if you lay your obstinate “reason” aside and accept the Lord and His Word you can find peace and salvation through Christ. Believe it or not, the world can be a better place for your kind if only you would accept your place as servant and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and join the Republican Party.”
You know, to a newcommer here that hadn’t already read the other nonsense you’ve posted, that paragraph would actually make sense (something that you never do) but then you had to go and end it with “and join the Republican party”.
So, just to placate my curiosity, how about posting one verse, from your own KJV, that in any way supports your claims that Jesus (or God) favors Republicans. Just one, or your whole point is pointless.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Godless Arn wrote: “So, just to placate my curiosity, how about posting one verse, from your own KJV, that in any way supports your claims that Jesus (or God) favors Republicans.”
Since you don’t know God or have any respect for Truth, no answer I provide will satisfy you. Just as your life is empty and without meaning, so too would be any Christian answer to your query. Nevertheless, I’ll try because I really do pity you for emptiness you must wallow in every day.
Anyway, your cause and effect are backwards, but that is to be expected from someone with no knowledge. First there was The Word, and the Republican Party followed later, striving to implement the Word. So the Holy Scripture does not mention the Republican Party, but the Republican Party is the product of Christianity and seeks to reflect Christian values. So instead of asking for the Scriptures to support the Republicans, just look at it the other way and you’ll see that the Republicans strive to support Christianity.
Remember the words of John Jay, American Patriot: “No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian religion…. Should our Republic ever forget this fundamental precept of governance…this great experiment will then surely be doomed.”
For more on how the Republican Party represents Christian Values, see this: http://www.heritage.org/Research/Religion/hl899.cfm (also the source of the quote above).
I know this won’t satisfy you in your ignorance, but I try.
Praise Jesus & the GOP!
Arn said
So, in other words, you were wrong, Jesus doesn’t favor the republicans. Your opinions prove nothing but your ignorance, I asked for evidence to support your claims and once again you resorted to ignorant rants, if that’s the bwest you can do then you are not worth my or anyone else’s time, you’re just a stupid little baby crying over being disagreed with. If you can’t support yourself with facts and evidence (or better yet, proof) then you are just a noise that doesn’t need to be heard.
Arn said
And you are dead wrong, I have a great respect for truth, it’s you I have no respect for, since you have never told the truth. So stick that in your hash pipe and smoke it you diphead.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Poor poor Arn, I feel so sorry for your empty-headed little godless self, wishing only you had the peace and the joy that those of us with Jesus in their hearts have.
Hebrews 11:6 – “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”
But as it is, you know and I know you’re damned to live a pointless life and then be rewarded by Hell:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 – “And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
Well, the choice is yours, so I’ll be laughing at your torment a bit later:
Psalm 52: 5-6 – “God shall likewise destroy thee for ever, he shall take thee away, and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place, and root thee out of the land of the living. Selah. The righteous also shall see, and fear, and shall laugh at him”
Arn said
Still can’t find anything to discredit my comments, huh? You are such a poor failure of a human being. You can quit posting the verses now, I’ve read them all many more times than you have. Your constant posting of them just shows that you have no knowledge of your own,, in other words, you are still an ignorant bastard.
Now, find a way to discredit my comments or shut the hell up, you’re just ranting again.
Huh said
Connie should try telling Mr. Yates to keep it brief…his posts are longer than any of Arns.
Huh said
“Dear Dummy, you and “Obama for prez” have the same I.P. address. No one is fooled by you responding to yourself. It’s rather pathetic, really.”
Nice of you to notice…Actually, RC also has the same IP. You see, some of us are doing this thing called “higher education” so we can heal your sorry butts when you come down with a cold or accident. So, we’re holed up in the computer lab at 3am! They think it’s funny that I’m wasting my time with the likes of you…I’ll make sure to tell them you said hi.
Huh said
Arn is the only other person on this board who can actually carry on a discussion.
Huh said
“Oh yeah, one last thing here, you said in your blog in that little bit of nonsense about how you can make his numbers equal 666, you spelled his name with a V instead of a U because there was no U in Latin.
Didn’t you also say that Latin wasn’t a language? The only real language is American, so shouldn’t you redo that whole thing in American? Of course then those letters wouldn’t mean anything, and your whole point gets lost in the stupidity of the post.”
RIGHT ON ARN!
Huh said
1. Rebuttal to Mr. Yates:
You start the argument by establishing that you are ignorant about the topic: “ I’ve never heard of the ‘Aramaic’ people or the land of “Aramia” (? – I guess if you make up a language you can make up a country to complement it). “
Ok, if I’m going to put history aside and play by your rules…KJV only…then it limits my argument on calling it “Aramaic” because the language that almost every other translation calls “Aramaic” is called “Syrian” in the KJV. Use a good bible concordance to verify this…it’s in the book of Ezra. However, there is no land of America in the KJV and no “American” or “English” so by your argument it would be a made up languages and country. You and I both know that America and English exist, therefore your argument is wrong. You can follow this up and argue that America developed in modern history…but then you’d have to acknowledge that history can be used in our argument.
Next, you state that Mark 15:34 only claims that Jesus spoke in tongues. You also highlight that this was “in the Passion.” However, he has used this language countless times before: Mark 5:41 “Talitha cumi”…interpreted as “little girl, get up”; Mark 7:34 “Ephphatha” while curing someone, and has called God “Abba”…meaning father (Mark 14:36. So, your argument that he only spoke in tounges because of the Passion is incorrect. Furthermore, you ignore the ENTIRE chapter in Acts 2:1-13 when the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus’ disciples and they go forth and speak the Word. Everyone hears present heard them in their own native language. There were 11 disciples at this time…and more than 11 languages were mentioned. No one needed interpretation. Therefore, this clear example of “speaking in tongues” negates that a listener would need interpretation when Jesus spoke in “tongues.” I Corinthians 12:8-11
Then, you try to say that you’re not cursing the deaf nor passing judgement on them like Leviticus 19:14 and… simply pointed out the very obvious fact that obviously God doesn’t like the deaf or else he would not have made them so.” Saying that their being deaf is a negative thing…a loss because of punishment…is passing judgment. You could have easily said that God loves the deaf and uses them so that we come to appreciate our hearing more and that they experience the world in a different manner. However, because they’re not “normal” you judge them negatively. It’s still a judgement that you’re passing, and there’s no biblical basis on why God makes people deaf. You’re making an assumption on the Lord’s way…quite prideful.
Huh said
…rebuttal of Mr. Yates continued ( to keep Connie happy):
Your next argument is difficult to refute if history can’t be used in the game. You state that Hebrew, Greek, and Latin have nothing to do with Godly things. I also have no common ground with you because I’m fully bilingual and you refuse to acknowledge how other languages translate. However, if you knew the first thing about etymology of English and the history of England (do you deny that Americans have British heritage? You know, Pilgrims and the Virginia Company, and stuff?) you’d know that over 60% of the English language comes from Latin. This is the case both because of Roman conquest of southern Britain and because of the French (a latin-derived language) through William the Conqueror. The French language has a stronger influence on English than you’ll ever believe. If you believe English is a Godly language, then you have to accept Latin…and in effect Greek, as much of Latin was derived from Greek. Also, you should note that King James ruled England and authorized the KJV translation between 1604-1611. The U.S. did not exist yet, so you can disagree on topics in the KJV without ever referencing America.
Then, you say that critical thinking and common sense are abilities given to man by God and compare them to heresy and homosexuality as abilities. However, there are many abilities that God has granted us that you wouldn’t group in this category: faith, hope, love, charity, respect. Bunching critical thinking and common sense with the first two “abilities” is very random…no biblical basis. God has knowledge which he reveals to us in his Word…however you can’t read his word unless you exercise critical thinking. It’s called “reading comprehension.” You quote 2 Corinthians 10:5 – “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” Thinking and “imaginations” are two different abilities.
You make rash judgments that just because someone disagrees with YOU, a fallible human like us, we must “hate God and hate America.” Wow, what an irrational jump!
You, too are in my prayers, Mr. Yates…may the Lord forgive you for assuming that you know his intentions better than your fellow sinners.
Unworthy said
The Living God does not choose sides in a political election. He will work His Will through those He chooses and it is wicked and a sign of your own blasphemous pride to presume you know who He is supporting.
…And I have said too much already to you. I know already that you will not regard or heed my words for the Lord tells me you will not.
“As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool than of him.” -Proverbs 26:11 & 12
I will pray for you brother Bob, and for others on this website. Many of you here are FAR too comfortable judging others when ALL are unworthy and ALL of us fall short of The Glory of the Lord. I will pray for you and hope that the Lord will see fit to turn you from your own wicked self-righteousness.
Only The Sacrifice of The Christ can save souls. I warn you that placing yourself in judgement over others is as sure a road to Hell as idolitry or any of the sexual perversions of the flesh.
I was refered to this site by a friend, this is my first visit and it WILL be my last… There is no fellowship of Christian conservatives here! This is a den where the hateful and half educated come to sit in self righteous judgement over their brothers.
I implore you all to remember that ALL men sin and are unworthy. Satan works in us all, regardless of our hearing, or we would not each need The Salvation purchased for us by the Perfect Sacrifice.
May The Living Christ bring ALL of us the peace we seek.
Amen and Amen.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Arn: Nothing you say makes any difference in that you’ve already admitted that you’re not a Christian and therefore lack all knowledge. You are a clueless idiot and all your “arguments” are meaningless since you don’t accept the only real Truth, that of Jesus Christ. So you can howl your impotent rage at the Lord, His Word, and His Faithful all day and all night and still make no difference at all. Pathetic.
Huh: Your “points”…
1) For the record, I didn’t say that Latin wasn’t a real language (just your made-up “Aramaic” gibberish). Latin is certainly a real language, that of Rome, Caligula, and the cult of Popery. All I said is that the Lord certainly never revealed anything in Latin, which is obvious when you look at those who speak this language.
2) As for Syrian, yes, this is a real language, but it has nothing to do with the revelations of the Holy Bible. Continuing with your line of reasoning: “Everyone hears present heard them in their own native language. There were 11 disciples at this time…and more than 11 languages were mentioned. No one needed interpretation.” Doesn’t this pretty much exactly prove my point that for people who speak ENGLISH, the Word of God was revealed in ENGLISH? So again, no translation from the heathen non-American tongues at all, right?
3) As for cursing the deaf, as I said before, it is the Lord who has cursed them and taken hearing from them (or denied it to them from the outset). All I am doing is pointing out the obvious, and somehow this is a “curse” or “judgment”? More of your sinful “critical thinking” I suspect. We are meant to see and appreciate all of God’s acts: Romans 11:22 – “Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” And this would obviously include denying hearing to those the Lord dislikes for whatever reason. As for “reinterpreting” deafness into some sort of blessing, perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is by making yourself deaf somehow. LOL.
Arn said
And Amen again. I am not a Christian, but I do recognise one when I find one. Too bad Unworthy wont be back, there’s a lot these idiots could learn from this person.
As for you, “Huh”, I hardly think that “Huh” is something that you would say very often, you obviously understand things very well, except maybe for the fact that you can’t just walk through a closed door, ie: you can’t get anything into a closed mind. But don’t stop trying, without people like you, Unworthy and Bobby G, there would be no truth on this site at all.
Arn said
“The cult of Popery” ,,, y’all excuse me for a moment, I gotta clear a spot on the floor for me to roll around on while I laugh at this.
Huh said
Arn…”huh” is something i say all the time when these guys rant. like, “uh…ok…wow, what nonsense!”
Huh said
here we go:
1) you didn’t address the fact that the word “English” is never specifically listed in the KJV…thereby putting it on equal footing with “Aramaic”…nor that English is heavily derived from latin.
2) I already agreed to play by your rules and only argue based on the English KJV…yet you missed the point entirely…Jesus’s words had to be interpreted, while speaking in tongues like in Acts (and for that matter like the Holy Spirit inspirational whatnot into your perfect English) does not. Therefore, you’re wrong to state that Jesus use of a non-English language, preserved in the KJV, was NOT speaking in tongues, nor was it limited to the Passion.
3)there you go again adding to God’s scripture! even after you quote Proverbs 30:6, although erroneously because it states: “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
LEARN HOW TO READ!!!! You claim to be able to read the bible and draw all inspiration from it, yet can’t follow along in plain english.
Huh said
was
NOTspeaking in tongues, nor was it limited to the Passion.sorry…just wanted to make sure you’re paying attention!
Huh said
You see, what you’re doing is either one of two things:
1)my friend “obama for prez” is right about you: you’re all a bunch of liberals from california posting a whole lot of crap to scare off rational republicans and get obama elected.
or 2) you’re a bunch of ignorant racists who bend the scripture to suit your agenda.
You have taught me somthings, though…there are evil people in this world, and the Nazis and KKK really can exist.
Arn said
” As for cursing the deaf, as I said before, it is the Lord who has cursed them and taken hearing from them”
Once again, dumbass, verse that says God cursed them to make them deaf?
“And this would obviously include denying hearing to those the Lord dislikes for whatever reason.”
That’s your opinion, not God’s word. (verse, again?) Opinions are like assholes, everbody has one, and you are one.
“Everyone hears present heard them in their own native language.”
Anyone mind if I steal the name of my favorite commenter for a minute and say “HUH”?
“Arn: Nothing you say makes any difference in that you’ve already admitted that you’re not a Christian and therefore lack all knowledge.”
Christianity has nothing to do with knowledge. The very meekest of minds can be Christians, while the greatest of minds may not be, I am neither the meekest nor the greatest of minds, but my knowledge surpasses yours in every area, albeit not much to boast about considering your total lack of knowledge about anything at all.
“the Word of God was revealed in ENGLISH?”
True, it was revealed to England in English. After 7 years of translating it into English.
“and more than 11 languages were mentioned.”
None of them were English.
“So again, no translation from the heathen non-American tongues at all, right?”
Non-American tongues? Oh, you mean like English. After all, English is the language of England (Hmm, so that’s where it got it’s name). American tongues would be the languages spoke by Americans, such as Cherokee, Cheyenne, Apache, Crow, Blackfoot, etc. Real “American English” would be the English spoken by real Americans, and the only real Americans would be the native Americans, and they eventually spoke the English taught to them by the foreign intruders. The bible isn’t written in that language, nor is it written in what you call American English. Americans don’t use words like “thou”, “saith”, “thee”, “cometh”, etc. That English came from,,, oh hell, hold on, it’ll come to me,,, oh yeah, the English.
“All I said is that the Lord certainly never revealed anything in Latin, which is obvious when you look at those who speak this language.”
He never revealed anything in English either, you moron. When will you get it through that thick stupid moronish mind of yours that it was translated into English after 7 years of tedious work by a whole bunch of scholars and linguists and the behest of King James, it says so right inside the cover of your own bible, unless you are stupid enough to believe every word in the bible and not believe that one little thing (kinda like saying the greatest work of truth was printed and published by liars).
You are much too stupid to be a worthy opponent for debate, my own intelligence level drops a bit every time I try to speak down to your level of intelligence to get a point across. A battle of wits with an unarmed opponent just wastes ammunition, and I’ve wasted too much on your stupid ass already.
Huh said
and i expect you to correct my grammar since you are so used to reading only selections and are incapable of reading for context.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Okay “Huh”…
1) “thereby putting it on equal footing with ‘Aramaic’” – English is not on par with your imaginary language because English actually has people – including many true Christians – that speak it, unlike “Aramaic.”
2) “nor that English is heavily derived from latin.” What rubbish. English has nothing in common with that Papist language. Haven’t you ever heard of irreducible complexity? Something as complex as English could never have been invented, much less “evolved,” from something as darkly Satanic as Latin. English was created by the Lord.
3) As for the language of Jesus, I wish you would make up your mind and make a cohesive argument. One the one hand “Everyone hears present heard them in their own native language. … No one needed interpretation” then on the other you reverse yourself saying: “Jesus’s words had to be interpreted,” Would you please make up your mind and stop countering your own arguments?
4) “You claim to be able to read the bible and draw all inspiration from it, yet can’t follow along in plain english.” I follow the Holy Scripture just fine, just not your idiotic arguments. Why don’t you at least TRY to make sense before you start preaching and making a complete fool of yourself.
Praise Jesus!
Huh said
1) Aramaic is currently spoken throughout the world: http://cal1.cn.huc.edu/aramaic_language.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language
Mr. Yates, understand that your ignorance does not make something go away!
Huh said
1) Aramaic has many modern speakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language
Just because you’re ignorant of something, it doesn’t make it go away!
Huh said
2) The term “irreducible complexity” is not in the KJV. Please be consistant. However, I do know from my science background that “irreducible complexity” refers to emerging properties that are greater than the sum of the parts. Yet, this doesn’t change the fact that the English language was bastardized with latin during several conquests of the island.
Huh said
3) I made my language coherently in plain english about 4 time now. Here we go again: there is a foreign language said by Jesus himself on multiple occasions. Each time it comes up in the KJV the words are followed by “interpreted” as _____ (fill in the blank: my god, my god why have you forsaken me…father…little girl, rise…etc.). An entire chapter of Acts is devoted to speaking tongues. In this chapter no translation is necessary for people to understand.
now here’s the difficult part for you to grasp:
tonuges = no translation/interpretation needed (to make this argument, i have granted you that the KJV is the inerrant word of God in English).
Jesus’ words = interpretation needed to English
Therefore, Jesus did NOT speak in tongues…he spoke in another language. This language was a Hebrew language. I won’t call it Aramaic (a language with historical basis) because we agreed to use KJV.
Huh said
4) I’m playing by your rules and quoting scripture out of the KJV…the only difference is that you’re picking and chosing whatever phrase supports your opinion, while I’m telling you what the rest of the chapter says.
Arn said
“Why don’t you at least TRY to make sense before you start preaching and making a complete fool of yourself.”
Making a complete fool of yourself? Now there’s something you could never do, huh Yatey batey? Can’t “make” a complete fool out of a complete fool, can ya?
Arn said
I posted this yesterday, but these folks kept it in moderation till this afternoon so that it got buried back about by 30 posts or so and I don’t think mister language barrier there ever got a chance to read it, so I’ll repeat it for his benifit, this is the truth about the languages used to write the bible.
MOD: try and post it a bit quicker this time so Yates can read it.
The Bible was written in the languages of ancient Palestine: Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Old Testament has been transmitted to us primarily in these languages. Written mainly in Hebrew, it was translated into Greek (the Septuagint) before the text became quite stable. Some chapters and verses seem to have been written in Aramaic (Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Dan 2:4-7:28 and perhaps a few other verses) or at least they have been transmitted to us in Aramaic. The manuscripts do not distinguish them from the rest of the text.
Aramaic
Aramaic is a Semitic language closely related to Hebrew. Its dialects have been in use since the ninth century BC. The Assyrians made Aramaic the common language of the Near East. Some parts of the Old Testament are written in Aramaic (Ezra 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26; Dan 2:4-7:28 and perhaps a few other verses).
Hebrew in old (Phoenician), Qumran (Aramaic) and modern scripts
In exile and under the empire Aramaic letters replaced the old (Phoenician) script for writing Hebrew, first in everyday life and then for copying the Bible.
The presence of some Aramaic words in the NT (e.g..: “talitha cumi”, “maranatha” and “golgotha”) suggests that Jesus spoke a dialect of Aramaic.
Greek
The opening words of Amos in Greek
“uncials” (capitals only) and “miniscules”
Greek was the language of Alexander’s empire and so the language of the East under the Romans. It was the common language of the New Testament writers. An early translation of the Hebrew Bible, the LXX, makes Greek important for Old Testament text criticism.
Hebrew
Was the spoken and written language of ancient Israel. It is close to other Canaanite languages. Other Canaanite dialects are Phoenician, Moabite, Edomite and Ammonite. These “tongues of Canaan” are close to others in the Northwest Semitic branch of the Semitic language family. In particular Ugaritic (Canaanite in culture if not geography, which is similar to Hebrew) and Aramaic (language of some chapters of the OT). After the exile, under imperial rule, Aramaic became the language of the land.
English
English was never spoken or written in the Holy Land. The Catholic translations were completed in 1391 (in Roman) and the first English version (later known as the King James version because it’s translation was ordered by King James I of England)wasn’t translated until 1611. English was the language of King James, not of God or of Jesus.
Now, without getting totally stupid on us again, try and find just one piece of evidence to the contrary.
You wont and you can’t, but try anyway, show yourself how stupid you really are.
Arn said
You know, up yours MOD. What is with the moderation of that comment? don’t want the truth posted until it’s too far back to get read? Ok jerks, continue to be jerks, you held it for a whole day last time, how long this time? and it’s the same damn thing, didn’t change it, just copied it, oh hell.
Yates, just go back to comment #120, read it, understand it, then give it your best shot to discredit it, without the stupid rants and criticism of my intelligence, try to discredit the words, not the speaker. You wont be able to because it’s the truth, it’s irrefutable, and it’s a universally accepted part of our human history, you and ONLY you would disagree. There are 6.6 billion people, you think you are the only one that is right, but the odds are against that, 6.6 billion to 1.
Huh said
Arn, i think it’s an auto-stop on long texts. try copy-pasting it in pieces.
Huh said
“as darkly Satanic as Latin”
man, arn…you nailed that nail right on the head yesterday!
Huh said
by the way guys, i almost forgot to thank ya’ll for the ASL diagram…i had forgotten how to make the “f” and the “p”…that’s how I came across your lovely page.
Arn said
Huh, what state are you in? I have a reason for asking as you will see shortly.
Huh said
clue: i’m from a state that is of great importance to the republican party
Huh said
we decide elections here.
Arn said
that didn’t help a bit. I don’t do the politics thing, so I have no idea what states are important to who. Anyway, I just wanted to point out that if we are several states apart (I’m in PA) and we have both heard of Aramaic, then we couldn’t have heard of it from the same place (nor could either of us have made it up) so Bob’s lack of knowledge of it would have to be due to Bob’s lack of knowledge.
Arn said
oh wow, and they took my comment out of moderation already, thank you MOD, that was the quickest one yet, and I’ve been posting here for several months now, and moderation is usually quite long (or stuck back and ignored for awhile, like b4b does to all of MoXoM’s comments)
Arn said
so I say a quick thank you to the moderator for posting my comment quicker this time, and what do they do,,, put my thank you into moderation, I gotta fire up a joint and chuckle for awhile now
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Look “Arn” – the second you declared publicly that you were not a Christian and hated God you lost any pretense to credibility. Knowledge is truth and Truth is based upon God, therefore once you renounced God, you renounced any pretense to truth and knowledge. No Godly answer will ever satisfy you because you hate truth because you hate God. Effectively, or in so many words, the second you said you were not Christian you said you hate the truth and you hate knowledge and you refuse to learn any better. Nothing you say means anything and it is nothing more than a waste of time to read your pathetic whining, as there can be no truth in it.
I will still argue with “Huh” because he hasn’t renounced any acceptance of truth, of God, despite his penchant for countering his own arguments and generally making a fool of himself. However, you – Arn – are nothing but human trash, the garbage of humanity, filthy debris to be spat upon and laughed as the pathetic, godless, impotent human debris you have declared yourself to be with your hatred of Knowledge and of God (Christianity).
So no, I won’t go back and read your drivel as it is a waste of time. Nothing you say means anything at all since you have renounced all truth and knowledge and declared yourself a purveyor of lies and ignorance (a non-Christian). Quit wasting my time and the forum’s with your pathetic bleats of godless nonsense as no one here – on this Godly forum – is interested in your meaningless, godless, ramblings. Find a street corner to beg on, you pathetic Atheist scum!
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
“huh”… I’ll get back to you tomorrow as I spent the night doing evangelicalism among a lot of godless whores at a Gothic concert this evening.
Praise Jesus!
Huh said
Arn, I’m in FL…sorry, I fell asleep before replying.
Huh said
And, Mr. Yates…let’s follow your line of reasoning about irreducible complexities. If you’re using the term correctly, English can’t be broken down into its parts…therefore, quoting a phrase out of the context of the chapter (breaking down the whole into parts) looses its intended meaning. So you ARE twisting the Word to fit YOUR opinions.
You have to take the WHOLE bible…and there’s plenty in God’s plan about loving one’s neighbor as yourself…something I don’t see on this board.
Sephiroth1n6 said
how about, its only satanic if you use it with satanic intention?
what do you mean, gay? your moving a finger, how gay is that?
the “I love you” thing is something that rock bands do, it was originally done some long time ago in england, or some place. I was used to point at people that they thought were witches or some **unChristian word deleted** like that.
Arn said
Mr Yates, your stupidity speaks for itself, but since you are the human trash here, I really don’t give even the smallest bit of a damn what you think, you’re stupid, you’re ignorant, you’re bigoted, and you are one of the biggest sinners I’ve ever come across, you can’t continue to lie about the bible and make anyone think you are a Christian, I’ve flushed turds down the toilet that are much better than you are.
But what you are really saying here is that you can’t discredit my comments so you will try to discredit me instead, well, it’s not working. You and everyone else here (whether they admit it or not) know that my knowledge of the bible and the languages of the bible greatly surpasses yours, as does my knowledge of everything else, you live in ignorance, and are afraid to crawl out of your little hole and learn the truth. So instead of ranting, which is all you have done so far, find some way to discredit my words with facts instead of insults, every insult from the likes of you is a compliment, so why not try to show that you have a brain. I told the truth, you disagree, so give us some proof that I am wrong. I know you can’t so you will still insult and rant. Too bad, that means you lost this one by not having the knowledge necessary to carry on a sensible debate. You win debates on knowledge by actually having knowledge, not by insulting your opponent and crying like a baby because you can’t win with facts.
Who is really the pathetic one here? It’s you. If your only arguement is that I am not a Chriastian, then you have no arguemwent at all, all you have is a poor little sinner (me) who can wipe the floor with you in a religious debate, because you are ignorant of the real teachings of the bible. If you can debate against me intelligently, then by all means do, but if you can only debate with rants and insults, then have already lost.
And I don’t hate God. I don’t believe in God, you can’t hate something you don’t even believe exists. And I see Christianity as a wonderful thing, it gives faith and hope to those who may have none otherwise, it teaches love for ALL mankind, which is a wonderful thing. It does not teach bigotry and hate, which is what you spout. I’ve read the bible all my life, and I’ve lived by the moral guidelines of the bible all my life. I know its words and its meanings, it’s true meanings, not the hate you spew in the name of the bible. My knowledge of it began before you were born, and will always surpass your knowledge of it, until and unless you change your hateful ways and try to read the bible (the whole bible, not just the verses you twist and pervert to serve your own sick agenda). Now, find a way to argue with me intelligently or shut the hell up, because you have lost already.
So come on little slimeball, show us that you have a brain, and discredit my comments, your opinion of me means nothing to me, I’ve told the truth and supported my statements, you’ve told lies which you can only support with insults, you are an unworthy opponent for any debate, stupidity only begets stupidity.
once again, prove me wrong,,,Please.
(notice how I used the word slimeball in there, see, you’re not the only one that knows how to insult, but it didn’t help my point one bit, so it can’t help yours either)
Sintacks said
Vote Nader.
and get off the f*cking internet
h8creator said
This may be the weirdest posting so far on B4B. You can totally tell that the letter J isn’t straight.
After what happened to Jesus, I still don’t trust the letter t either.
Huh said
they are Pharisees.
Huh said
a vote for Nader is a vote for McCain!
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Okay “Huh”…
1) First, regarding those that speak this “Aramaic” … I notice that you mostly quote Wikipedia, you wouldn’t happen to be a Wikipedia editor would you? Regardless, even if that is true, notice that the speakers are Arabs, so obviously its just some sort of evil Mohammedian crap anyway. To suggest that Jesus Christ spoke such a language is really an insult, but I suspect you know this.
2) “Yet, this doesn’t change the fact that the English language was bastardized with latin during several conquests of the island.” – This is, of course, just silly. That is not to deny that the Latin lovers (Papists and whatnot) may have stolen some words from English to make their language of Lucifer sound more sincere, but that doesn’t detract from the holiness of English.
3) You write: “now here’s the difficult part for you to grasp: tonuges = no translation/interpretation needed (to make this argument, i have granted you that the KJV is the inerrant word of God in English). Jesus’ words = interpretation needed to English” —You’re right, I don’t understand what you’re trying to say here. At any point in the Bible that Jesus speaks in something other than English, he is speaking in tongues; otherwise its all English all the way, the language of Christianity, America and the Republican Party!
You’re in prayers,
Mark in Denver said
All libtards need to vote for Nader, yes. All moderetards should vote for Paul, please. More votes for those idiots means a stronger win for McCain.
BobbyG said
Hey Arn, What I am wondering is if Yates, since he doesn’t believe in Aramaic, would be convinced if he read the Pachitta, pardon the misspelling, which is the Aramaic Bible translated into English? This is the bible uses in the eastern countries and is almost word for word with the KJV. Dunno!! Anyway, Yates was talking a lot earlier about the Pilgrims and colonialists, and the Bible that they used was the Geneva Bible, which was translated from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, and the Greek. They thought that the KJV was a wrong translation and was biased so that it would please the King of England. They refused to use his translation. I wonder what Mr. Yates would have to say about that? Anyway like I said before and was attacked, American English is a bastardization of the Queen’s English and therefore probably isn’t a true language at all.
kayla said
I think it is absolutely ridiculous that anyone would think of sign language as evil. My fiance is deaf, and we rely entirely on sign language every day to communicate. It is a beautiful language and an awesome way to communicate. Personally, I think it is really special. Anyone who says the deaf are posessed has problems.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Hi Kayla – I don’t think anyone has suggested that the deaf are possessed per se; just that either they or their parents are guilty of some terrible sin, therefore the Lord’s punishment of deafness.
kayla said
Hello
It is hard for me to think of deafness as being a direct punishment on one person for a terrible sin they have they have committed. My fiance was born deaf, and I don’t really feel it is because of something his parents may have done wrong in life. I think that things like deafness result more from an overall sinful world, and that is just the way life is. God made my soon to be husband deaf, but I think he gave us a beautiful ability to turn it into something special.
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Hi Kayla – Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. Of course the Holy Bible teaches us otherwise, namely that the Lord punishes us (or often our children) for our sins and it is poor form to question His judgment:
“Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?” – Lamentations 3:39
Rest assured, God loves us and does not torment the innocent, he torments those who have asked for it through sinful behavior. If your soon to be husband was born deaf, then undoubtedly it was because of the sins of his parents.
Praise the Lord!
kayla said
Hello again, thank you for your comments as well. I do not have much more to say on this matter, but I do still disagree with the thought that my fiance(Steven) was born deaf because of the sins of his parents. I do not question the judgement of the Lord, but in this case I think you misunderstand his work. Steven has been very blessed, and he has also had a wonderful life. He has strong faith, and through his strength and perseverance in life I think he has taught a lot of people that faith in God gets you through anything. He has taught me personally that life is full of struggles, but the Lord is the one person who will always be there walking beside you during obstacles that life throws in front of you. Therefore, I think God made him deaf to show people in his life that the Lord brings you through everything. His life has not been a type of punishment for his parents, its been a blessing in disguise. Thanks for reading my thoughts:-) Take Care
billy said
“Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?” – Lamentations 3:39
well… i am a deaf, gay, democratic, jewish agnostic and having a wonderful time with it, so i hope you enjoyed your sins parents because you can be sure i am enjoying mine :0)
ps. i am also rich in family, friends, health and monies, have a job i love, greet each day with joy … if this life is a punishment then the word might need redefining.
Liberal Minion of Satan said
I am quite shocked that you would call someone handicapped a “minion on satan.” Why would god pass judgement on someone before they are even brought into this world? And you worship the “all forgiving god” (Lower case “g” intentional) then why would he be so unforgiving?
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Billy: “…i am a deaf, gay, democratic, jewish agnostic…” Wow, you are quite the Hell-bound piece of human excrement aren’t you? Have fun burning in Hell, I’ll laugh at you.
Billy: “i am also rich…” Doesn’t that go hand in hand with being a Godless money-grubbing Jew?
Liberal: “Why would god pass judgement on someone before they are even brought into this world?” – As punishment for the parents silly. The Bible is full of instances where people are punished through their children, and sometimes multiple generations of descendants too.
Liberal: “…you worship the “all forgiving god”…” You really haven’t read the Bible have you? The Lord OFFERS forgiveness to all through acceptance in His Son, Jesus Christ, so anyone CAN be forgiven if they put forth the effort; but most people don’t. And there is absolutely nothing about being “all forgiving” to those who reject Him, His Son, and His Word. See the “Once Saved, Always Saved” thread…
God have mercy on us said
I wondered if there was a site that exists from the FAAAR right that was as ugly as the FAAAR left website, Moveon.org. Well, here it is!
The majority of what is written here does NOT reflect the truth of Christ Jesus and his followers.
Bob Yates, Jr. is the equivelant to Jeremiah Wright in his understanding of the bible.
The mentality on this website is a huge part of why the world hates the Christian Faith.
Don't worry about it. said
To “Arn” and “Huh”…I think I love you guys!
Seriously tho, stumbling across this website and reading some of the post, mostly those by Yates, I am just sickened by their mentality! I grew up a Christian and never have I ever met anyone within the fellowship that speaks like this or go about a disscussion in such ways…seriously YATES, what is it with you and having to mention homosexuality and sodomy in just about everyone of your post? I think someone is still hiding in the closet.
Don't worry about it. said
Whoops! I forgot a couple things!
One being that I too have heard that the language of Christ was Aramaic…(I’m in WA in case Arn was wandering) and it should be just common knowledge that NO ONE spoke English American back in the time of Christ. DUH!
As far as the ORIGINAL discussion goes, a few others already pointed this out but I am going to point it out as well. The difference between the sign for ILY and devil horns is the thumb! Sometimes the littlest difference can make a HUGE difference…thus being the thumb in this case.
The One said
Just out of curiosity, Don’t Worry, what part of WA are you from? Just generally, never give these dotes your exact location, they’re not dangerous or anything, but they love to make idle threats, especially Yates and RR Davey, they think they can use their rods on anyone, lol. I just wondered because I lived in the general area of Vancouver not long ago.
As for Yatesy boy hiding in the closet, he’s not, he’s hiding out on Brokeback Mountain. Take a look at his icon pic, that’s him, and thats a gay farmer if I ever saw one, follow the link on his name and you get his myspace profile, in it you’ll find another pic, in a cowboy playhat and tighty vest, gay cowboy style. No doubt when he goes to town he has another suitably gay outfit for those trips.
Oh, by the way, I am Arn. I post as The One on this site and Arn on another, but I don’t always change my name every time I change sites, but most folks from both sites know that already. (Arn just happens to be my real name)
Bobby G said
Hey, Don’t Worry,
Nice to have someone else on this site with something intelligent to say. Oh by the way, I’m in Wy, recently moved from the great state of OR. Arn and Huh have much wisdom to share and reading their notes on this site is inspirational. As to the sign language issue, I’ve been teaching sign language to those who want to learn for about 10 years. I love the language and would recommend it for anyone who would want to learn a second, third, or fourth language. Being able to sign helps us understand the culture and the contribution that the deaf can and do make to society.
God Bless You as you continue to post and serve in His Name.
The One said
“recently moved from the great state of OR.”
Me too. When I left WA, I moved to a farm outside Scappoose. But many years ago I also went to Knappa high school (Astoria area) and lived in a tiny place called Brownsmead, That’s just a hole in the hills that is all dairy farms and cornfields. Oregon is my “go to” place, no matter where I go or where I’m coming from I always pass through Oregon on the way. (That even includes my trip from Arkansas to Illinois, I cut west first to go through Oregon)
Bobby G said
Born and raised. Lived in a little town on the coast called Reedsport. When I moved away from home, I lived in Coos Bay, then Eugene. I’ll tell you the truth, there’s no place like Oregon, but then I’m sure that I’m just a little biased.
The One said
“but then I’m sure that I’m just a little biased.”
You’re not the only one, there is a reason I go through Oregon on every cross country trip. I’m addicted to the place. And I know Reedsport very well, as well as Coos Bay and Eugene. I’ve even won a couple of photography awards for my pictures of the coastline, some of which can be found online. Here’s one view that I’m sure you’ve seen before. (this one didn’t win any awards but it’s one of my favorite places on the coast)
http://www.picture.com/voteforme/photovote1.asp?PID=934494
Don't worry about it. said
Bobby G:
Thank you for the warm friendly welcome! Very cool to hear that you have taught sign language for so long. It is a very important language to be so fluent in. Not only that but also a beautiful art form if you look at it like that. I know that when I did go to church we had a member that would “sing” songs in sign language…like “I Can Only Imagine” by Mercy Me. It always choked me up when adding that special touch!
The One and only Arn:
I live towards the coast of WA…so I know exactly where Astoria is (go Goonies!). I checked out Yatsey’s myspace just out of curiosity…oh boy, yeah, that’s a flaming homosexual if I ever saw one. I’ve got a gay friend and he told me he already picked him up on the gaydar, so I’d say that confirms it. Haaahaa!
The One said
I used to fish the entire coast of WA, I ran a charter out of Hammond (near Warrenton), OR and always headed north after crossing the bar. There’s something you should try if you haven’t already, riding the swells crossing the bar is a ride you’d remember for a long time.
The One said
Driving up 101 a long time ago I stopped to take a pee under a bridge and took a picture while down there that later became a postcard for Newport. (I’ll bet you know that bridge, lol)
The One said
Sorry about the bad link in my name, you can’t get to my home page, lol. It was supposed to be this one. (that’s not an invitation to everyone, just thought perhaps I’d put that there to let Don’t Worry, Bobby G, and Huh know how crazy I really am, lol)
Don't worry about it. said
I’ve gone charter boat fishing out at Westport in the Twin Harbors….I think we had like 15 foot swells that day! I was pretty close to the point of feeding the dolphins that whole day…ugghhh it is deffinatly something I’ll never forget, now is it something I’d wanna do again? Prooobably not
Bobby G said
By the time I was twelve, I owned my own boat. It wasn’t a big one, only 16 foot, but I spent most of my time in it running down the Umpqua river straight out to, over the bar, and into the ocean, at Winchester Bay, OR. It was only about 2 miles to the ocean by river. I never commercial fished, but did a lot of sport fishing for salmon and bottom fish, and took many a person out into the ocean for their first experience.
The One said
I didn’t commercial fish, what I did was run a boat out with passengers who just paid for a day of fishing on the ocean, we’d hire local high school kids to help them with their catches and bait hooks for unexperienced fishermen (and women). It was the Columbia river bar that we crossed every trip out. Leaving from Westport, that would also be the one Don’t Worry crossed, she just got lucky with the 15 ft swells, they get a lot bigger. (By the way, Don’t Worry, do you happen to know if the ferry still runs there in Wesport?)
Don't worry about it. said
I believe it does…from Westport to Ocean Shores.
Bobby G said
As far as I know it does. I was just out there last summer, but didn’t go all the way out to the coast from Portland. Spent most of my time in Central Oregon, around Bend, Redmond, and Gilchrist. I was picking pine cones for the summer. Did go to Coos Bay to visit my parents and siblings.
The One said
You didn’t happen to spend any time out there at Prineville Reservoir did ya? That’s a nice lake, though I like it out at Antelope Reservoir better, it’s more secluded.
Bobby G said
No, I didn’t get to spend any time at the reservoir. I did spend some time at Salt Creek Falls tho and boy, it was as beautiful as I remembered. Mostly I just picked cones and sold them, and did a little gambling in Redmond.
Bobby G said
Oh yeah, I also spent some time around Cresent Lake. But like I said, I’m truly a coastal boy and love fishing in the ocean and hunting in the coastal mountains. I miss that in some ways here in Wyoming but even this desolate place has its beauty.
Don't worry about it. said
Just for S&G’s….x
George W. Bush was getting off of Airforce One in Israel, when he walked passed Moses, who didn’t seem to notice him. He turned to Moses and said, “I am George W. Bush, the President of the USA, the most powerful nation on earth. Why didn’t you greet me?”
Moses replied, “The last time I spoke to a bush, we starved for 40 years!”
The One said
I like Tipper Gore’s approach to that one. She shaved herself clean then went without panties in her short skirts so all she had to do to get her message across is just sit down and spread her legs. Her message: “Read my lips, no more Bush”.
The One said
Bobby, if you like ocean fishing, have you ever fished off the jetty by warrenton? Go about three fourths of the way to the end of the rocks and cast to the ocean (on your left going out) side. It’s great for salmon, flounder and ocean perch. But if you have a sixteen foot boat I could send you on the best fishing trip of your life if you like largemouth bass, and it’s only a couple hours away from Redmond.
Don't worry about it. said
AH! I’ve heard that one before but forgot all about it. It’s AWESOME!
Bobby G said
Well since I’m not in Oregon, it would be a long trip. Oh, I don’t have the boat anymore since living in Wyoming is not conducive to much boating. I will tell you tho, that some of the best lg mouth bass fishing is found on the coast, just south of Reedsport, as well. Anyway, I’m just passing time and should probably get off the computer.
Sleep well, One, and good dreams
Lauren said
Wow. Thats all I have to say. I am a highly conservative Christian, and this accusation is simply ridiculous. Sign language was created long before “the horns” or “the shocker” was made public. Also, within the sign you see the letters I L and U. You can find anything satanic in any environment, but if this language is so terrible, what do you want them to use. I ask this not only as a Christian, but a speech-language pathologist. I can assure you those who are judgemental of others’ differences will be judged by a higher power first.
kayla said
Hi Lauren. Thats really awesome that you are a speech-language pathologist. I’m studying the same thing right now, and I think its great so far. My fiance is completely deaf and he doesnt talk very well, so we rely on sign every day. Its sad that some people see it as satanic, because it is truly an amazing way to communicate.
Tyler said
YAll are all a bunch of stupig ignorant wet sloppy **unChristian word deleted** i know many devoutly religious deaf people Deaf people are just like you and me except they cant hear were all humans and you have no right to call all deaf people evil or occultist!
Mod note: Calm down, Skippy. No use getting your squirrel coverings all in a bunch over something that doesn’t even concern you.
someone said
**unChristian word deleted** YOU im deaf and am i satan? HELL **unChristian word deleted** NO you people
**unChristian word deleted** i swear i could beat the CRAP out of you
IDIOT **unChristian word deleted**
Mod note: I understand that you’re angry that God hates you and decided to punish you by making you deaf but that’s really no excuse to be so rude. I’m sure that your parents (assuming you have parents) would be mortified by your language.
Satan said
I need attention.
stan said
baptists are the best! tyler is a sloppy **unChristian word deleted**
Mod note: While I can’t quarrel with the sentiment expressed, please do watch your language.
Rawdon said
I’m surprised so many people took this post seriously, it’s obviously a joke.
It’s simply not possible for someone, even a republican Christian, to be that ignorant and idiotic.
On the infinitesimal off chance that Mabel is being serious, this post is really quite frightening when you consider her potential for interpreting a plethora of other coincidences as demonic.
But then again, you Christians don’t believe in coincidences do you….
**demonic writings deleted**
Mod note: Get thee from here, you foul beast! Do not attempt to curse us with your satanic symbols!
Proud Atheist said
Boo!
Seriously though, this is fairly typical. I’m guessing, according to this site, only straight, anglo, non-crippled Christain fundamentalist english speaking xenophobes are the only ones who are “truely” saved according to your religion.
MALORY said
HI. AS A DEAF PERSON SINCE BIRTH, I FIND THIS CONVERSATION IS TOTALLY 100% INSULTING ALL OF THE DEAF PEOPLE. IN THE WORLD. SO I’D HOPE IF WE TRY NOT TO INSULT DEAF PEOPLE. EVERYONE HAS RIGHTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS, I HOPE I DON’T HAVE TO SEE ANYMORE INSULTING COMMENTS HERE.
BibleThumpR said
This is the most ignorant site I have ever set my eyes upon… You are the true sinners and will surely burn in hell for your backwards articles and propagandist-hate-driven bullshit. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for discriminating against the blind. Sign language is the only means by which they may function in society, and you are willing to deny them this ability, condemning them as “satanic.” You are horrible, horrible people. This is smut. If you were remotely educated you would see this. Open your eyes.
I have a feeling this post is just going to be edited a ton by the ignorant mods who will turn everything I said backwards, and litter this intelligent post with uneducated, racist comments on how I’m wrong, when it is clear that I am not. I hope God is feeling generous when you die.v
Captalizt said
You guys are morons. I’m not some anti-religious wacko, or a communist. In fact, I’m a Christian and a capitalist. I’m just smart. You pick on handicaped people, you go to hell.
Coservative a**holes
Anonymous said
You rat bastard. I really hope that one day you’re struck deaf and you have to use this “Devil’s Language” every day of your insignificant life.
Sign language was created so that Deaf society can communicate with the hearing. I bet they think the exact same thing about our language because hearing people like you treat them like garbage.
Some Christian you are. You are the definition of scum bag you worthless waste of space.
Jordan said
You rat bastard. I really hope that one day you’re struck deaf and you have to use this “Devil’s Language” every day of your insignificant life.
Sign language was created so that Deaf society can communicate with the hearing. I bet they think the exact same thing about our language because hearing people like you treat them like garbage.
Some Christian you are. You are the definition of scum bag you worthless waste of space.
Jesus lover 666 said
GOD IS DEAD! BALCK PEOPLE RULE! GO OBAMA!
Dawn said
So basically you are saying that being deaf and wanting to communicate is satanic. That is just stupid. I have heard of some really dumb things come from religious people, but this is about the least intelligent. First of all when sign language was invented there was no sign for satan. That didn’t come about until much later. This just confirms why I do not participate in church or other religious nonsense. Religion makes you stupid. It clouds your common sense and decency and fills your head with propaganda!
bucky said
You guys are joking right? This is a spoof website…. right?
Because, you all have to be out of your minds to believe that the language that people less fortunate then i have as the only way to communicate is actually satanic, i will have to lose all faith in humanity. If they can seriously be that freaking stupid there is no hope.
Adryan said
Hello im not here to judge any one that isnt my place. But i want to tell you my story. I have a 5 year old son that was born deaf. I know the bible says (All sickness, illness, and disease come from the Devil) right. Ok with that said that doesnt mean that my son as HIMSELF is evil or is the devils child by no means. I resent the statement you made that signlanguage is satans signs. There is not very many ways that the deaf can communicate and they cant hear unless you get them a cholear implant. My son has one implant in the left side of his head. He dosent like it very much, I belive this is because hearing nothing is normal to him, but it is my responsibility to show him what is right and being deaf is a disease so by telling him what is the right thing to do is showing him how the be strong enought to overcome the disease.Other than this handcap he is very inteligent and a wounderfull son, He has a 2 year old little brother that he trys to help keep out of trouble. He is a very loveing child. With his implant he is learning to talkmore and more every day i am sooo proud of his accomplishments. I know there are people out there that are satans children and they are not deaf in to the world but they are DEAF to Gods word, And seem to be as normal as everybody else. Through these people is satans way in these people you should worry about not a way of communication for the hard of hearing. They have only evolved the same as the speaking have its just a little different, Maybe the hearing are the different ones. The Lesson here is Dont Judge unless you be judged in the same manner.
Jenn said
To those who made comments about congenital deafness being caused by the parents’ sins… that is absolutely ridiculous. To make such a statement is completely ABSURD. Please educate yourself on the actual causes of deafness before making wild religious assumptions based on absolutely NO evidence whatsoever:
Genetic factors are thought to cause more than 50% of all incidents of congenital hearing loss in children. Genetic hearing loss may be autosomal dominant, autosomal recessive, or X-linked (related to the sex chromosome).
In autosomal dominant hearing loss, one parent who carries the dominant gene for hearing loss and typically has a hearing loss passes it on to the child. In this case there is at least a 50% probability that the child will also have a hearing loss. The probability is higher if both parents have the dominant gene (and typically both have a hearing loss) or if both grandparents on one side of the family have hearing loss due to genetic causes. Because at least one parent usually has a hearing loss, there is prior expectation that the child may have a hearing loss.
In autosomal recessive hearing loss, both parents who typically have normal hearing, carry a recessive gene. In this case the probability of the child having a hearing loss is 25%. Because both parents usually have normal hearing, and because no other family members have hearing loss, there is no prior expectation that the child may have a hearing loss.
In X-linked hearing loss, the mother carries the recessive trait for hearing loss on the sex chromosome and passes it on to males, but not to females.
There are some genetic syndromes,in which, hearing loss is one of the known characteristics. Some examples are Down syndrome (abnormality on a gene), Usher syndrome (autosomal recessive), Treacher Collins syndrome (autosomal dominant), Crouzon syndrome (autosomal dominant), and Alport syndrome (X-linked).
Other causes of congenital hearing loss that are not hereditary in nature include prenatal infections, illnesses, toxins consumed by the mother during pregnancy or other conditions occurring at the time of birth or shortly thereafter. These conditions typically cause sensorineural hearing loss ranging from mild to profound in degree. Examples include:
* Intrauterine infections including rubella (German measles), cytomegalovirus, and herpes simplex virus
* Complications associated with the Rh factor in the blood
* Prematurity
* Maternal diabetes
* Toxemia during pregnancy
* Lack of oxygen (anoxia)
Tiffany Wellsley said
Andryan (a classic name for a sodomite) and Jenn (I can tell already that you’re “n” crazy),
Say what you will, but keep your blind, deaf and dumb friends (pardon the redundancy) and other cripples off this Godly board. Inferior people are not welcome here. As the Lord said: “Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God….a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or broken-handed, Or croockbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken…he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God” (Leviticus 21:16-21).
Tiffany
Anon said
—”Does this remind you of anything? That’s right! The supposed American sign language signal for “I love you” is the one and same sign of the Devil! “—
As a metal-head and heavy metal festival goer I can assure you that isn’t the sign of the devil. It has adopted that name, because some metal-stars have not understand what it meant or where it came from and drew their own conclusion. (and I’m sure the bible doesn’t describe it as the sign of the devil, the last time I check it was the numbers: 616, or as commonly mistranslated, 666)
The first person to use it was Dio, he said in an interview that it was to come-back the evil eyes in Italian superstition, he learned it from his grand mother and the purpose was to avoid the sickness that people try to cast upon you.
The evil eye:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/38450
Jenn said
The only thing deaf people cannot do that hearing people can, is hear.
“Thou shalt not curse the deaf nor put a stumbling block before the blind but shalt fear thy God. I am the Lord.” Leviticus 19:14
It is of greater importance to have a hearing heart than hearing ears. Is your heart deaf?
Tiffany Wellsley said
Jenn,
Deafness is caused by demon-possession. If your friend would accept Jesus as His personal Lord and Savior and beg Christ to remove the demons, He will be spared his grotesque affliction.
“When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him. And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead. But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose. And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?” (Mark 9:25-28).
“Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw” (Matthew 12:22).
“And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered” (Luke 11:14).
Tiffany
blueollie said
Tiffany: I hope that you don’t mind if I piggy-back on your points.
Just think at how much money we’d save if people would just accept that getting right with the Lord would cure
mostall of their ills? After all, “the wages of sin are death”.But sadly, when we start looking to satanic things like atheistic science to save us, we are like those rebellious people of Israel who insisted on having a King instead of relying on The Almighty.
At least we can tell the poor that they really don’t need our hard earned money doctors (hence Medicaid, SCHIP, etc.) and they should just get right with The Lord instead.
Think of how much money we would be able to save!
I sigh when I think of the extras I could buy if I weren’t being taxed extra to pay for medical care for the indigent.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Blueollie,
Feel free to interject any time. Since the atheists and homos arrived in droves, you’re a rare light on this often dark board. I have to say, though, that I’m opposed to entitlement programs, period. I’d be opposed to them even if they enhanced the recipients’ health because it’s not my responsibility to pay for the medical care of some obese colored woman with 12 children (to enhance her entitlement to assistance) who has diabetes because she failed to recognize when her butt wouldn’t fit through the run down cadillac’s door that she was eating way too much fat back and chitlins. Our nation’s economy is going down the toilet because hard-working, smart entrepreneurs have to pay outlandish taxes to support these deadbeats when good people should be investing their earnings in their businesses to create jobs and income for those who get off their lazy behinds and work!
I know what everyone is going to say — what about the children? If we keep giving these ghetto dwellers and illegal aliens our hard-earned money because they have sex like rabbits and reproduce like mosquitos, we will never get our economic house in order.
Of course, now that one of their own is in the White House, we might as well just accept the fact that Karl Marx will now be posthumously running the nation. These are very bad times for America.
Tiffany
The Antichrist said
Tiffany….. if you’re really telling the truth here….. holy shit. You’re all moronic idiots.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Brian (Antichrist),
Why am I not surprised that you support the socialist agenda? After all, you’re an admitted sodomite. And the same party that has always sought to ensure that every Negro has food stamps it can convert into crack is the party that supports the right of your kind to engage in deviant, depraved conduct. The fact that you’re willing to overlook theat party’s socialist views just because they support your self-interest proves you have no integrity at all. Well, no surprise there. If you had any self-respect, you wouldn’t be a damned homo in the first place.
Tiffany
Jenn said
I couldn’t agree with you more, Anti-christ. This blog (and entire website) was created by people who have nothing better to do with their time than insist that everyone with a disability is inhabited by demons. (Seriously?!) But, I do hope the whole site was just created as a joke that got out of hand.
Anyways, I think a few of my brain cells died attempting to read the crock of bullshit that Tiffany, among others, have slandered on this blog. There is nothing Christian about believing those with a disability are inferior to those of us more fortunate. Christ is an all-loving god. You people give other Christians a bad name. Shame on you, and may God have mercy upon you.
Anon said
TIFFANY:
Why is it that you think that you can speak the word of your God to people? Why is it that you think you are able to tell others the word of your so called God. You are all very quick to jump at people with your quotes.
And why does Blueollie and other men on your Blog that call themselves true Christians not do the will of you ‘God’ onto you and you fulfil his will.
— But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.—–
The words of men have authority over women, women are below men and should be underneath their authority, women may not teach, thus they may not teach the word of your God and must be in silence. It is the will of your God is it not? I says so right in the KJV 1Timothy 2:12-14. You criticise your fellow Christians for being selective, but why are you not silent? Why do you think you can proclaim your understanding of your lord’s teaching, when it was a woman that was deceived by the devil, not a man. Men first, women second. Is that what your bible teaches?
Then why is it that Debbie calls herself Prophetess?
—”Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”—
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
The picture I’ve seen of Debbie and the picture I’ve seen of June, I can see their faces, is this not a crime against your God? Tiff, do you go around covering your face, like many middle eastern women do?
—-But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. —–
1 Corinthians 11:5-8
From what I see, these are teachings that you guys seem to ignore. Why is this? Are you not the true followers of your bible?
Is you KJV not the word of your God and you must do to his every will, why do you not abide to those teachings I have quoted from?
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
Well, how cute. You’ve decided to play the role of modern day Pharisee. You really have no shame, do you? LOL!
For the record, I do not speak in church and I do not teach men. Ignoring for a moment that I consider none of the recent visitors to this board (e.g., you, Brian (Antichrist), JimiH (Master of Puppets) and Triforcharity) to be actual men, I do not reach you. Rather, I correct you. And I do so outside the church.
Your complete distortion of the verses regarding covering of the head reveal that you are just as dishonest when representing the Bible as Bobby G. You have taken the verses out of context. Why didn’t you include verse 15 in your quotation? That verse says a woman should have long hair because her hair is her covering.
I’m very glad Jesus said our hair is our covering because I can’t stand most hats. They interfere with your do and mat down your hair. And, frankly, with all due respect to the Lord, I would hate to have to adhere to a fashion admonition by a known heterosexual.
Tiffany
Tiffany Wellsley said
Jenn,
Please stop pretending you’re authorized to speak for God. You’re not. Go home and read your Bible for a change and stop acting as though you are exempt from the Lord’s Word.
Tiffany
Anon said
‘Correcting’ and ‘teaching’ are issues of semantics here, you’re trying to show us the teachings of the bible and teach us what the ‘right’ way is, I have been learning your point of view, because you have taught me. Have you not taught your children? Do you beat you child to help straighten them out for your lord? If they were disobedient, would you kill them? (thinking of a passage in Deuteronomy here)
But you are a woman, you shouldn’t speak over men. Women must be in silence, is that not right? It was Eve that was deceived, not Adam. Men have authority over you.
I am a man, the fact you do not consider us so is so that you may be selective about your teachings. The reason you choose to jump around ‘teaching’ is semantics is because you are selective of your teachings. Should you and all the woman in your Christian group be silent? Your bible wills it.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
I cannot believe I’m lowering myself to argue the Bible with a Satanic heathen like you, especially since you have no idea what the Bible says. You just find a single verse that you think you can manipulate to show people up and ignore the remainder of the Bible. You are, quite simply, a modern day Pharisee. Nay, you’re much worse, because you don’t believe ANY of the Bible.
My interpretation of teaching finds ample support in the New Testament. The New Testament makes it plain that Christian women, like men, have been given spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:7-11). Women, like men, are to use these gifts to minister to the body of Christ (1 Peter 4:10), for their ministries are indispensable to the life and growth of the church (1 Corinthians 12:12-26).
Granted, the Bible says we’re not to speak in church, and I always keep mum while in the chapel. Of course, the minute we get outside, everyone is fair game for a good rebuking. LOL!
Anon, stick to what you know well. Namely, nothing.
Tiffany
Anon said
From reading your quotes, it sounds rather vague. It’s not specific. What exactly are the ’spiritual gifts’ that you must minister? It does not say. It sounds as though you’re reading your own meaning into the quote in order to excuse yourself. It seems that there is a little picking and choosing on your behalf. Or is it because you interpret your quotes differently to other people?
Tiffany Wellsley said
Why don’t you read the verses? You can read, can’t you?
Anon said
1Corinthians 12, I have still found it non-specific. but it appears to be one of the more gentle sides of the bible.
From reading it, I see a side of diversity and how your God made us diverse, it seems to say that we all may be diverse in our gifts, but in all sides of diversity, there is no part more important than the other as they all amount to the same Lord.
The way I interpret that is that your word amounts to God, the gifts of Catholics amount to Lord, the gifts of Pentecostals amount to the Lord and all of the other Christian, Jewish and even Islam sects (the Muslims have the same God, though they call him Allah) amount of the same Lord. But no one of these have a higher value. And on an individual level as well none are higher, that is men and women (but I see no reference of gender, just talking of diversity) But none of these gifts are more important than another.
If these gifts, as you say, are the words you use to speak of your Lord. Then your word is no more valuable than a Catholic’s or a Jew’s or a Muslim’s or a black person’s or a liberal’s.
This is quite a contrast from some of the other parts of the bible that I’ve read, and less vicious. It almost seems contradictory, so you can understand my quoting of the more vicious parts of the bible. But the section on gifts sounds too nice for something you guys would be quoting from, and if it were separate from the bible, it’s something I’d expect you guys to call liberal trash.
A part for quoting measures here:
23 and those members of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honor to that part which lacked:
25 that there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it.
27 ¶ Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
This of course rules me outside of the ‘body’ because my words to not amount to God or the Body of Jesus. But at least it should mean that you’re more tolerant to fellow believers of God.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Anon,
I have no doubt that your last post was written in a code that only atheists can understand, so I won’t fall into the trap of struggling to try to decipher it. At least you didn’t speak in tongues.
Tiffany
Anon said
I was saying how I read that part of Corinthians, and I was surprised to find something like that in your bible, given the many things you guys have quoted from the bible. I mean it seems to say that all ‘gifts of god’ are of the same worth. If this spiritual gifts exist in those that believe in God, then it surely says that all ways in believing in God are of the same worth and are all of the same Glory.
It means me and my ‘atheist buddies’ are out of the picture in this teaching, but I was surprised to see a teaching of unity and equality among those who believe in God. So black, white, Catholic, Jewish, French, man, woman, you’re all the same. Personally I see it as a nice teaching and I was beginning to think the bible was just full of wrath, I guess to non-believers, but this teaching to me says: no one group constitutes as the ‘True believers in God’
Juice said
ummm…..bitch is crazy…u should seriously put ur bible down n check urself into a mental hospital
brainspiller83 said
True Juice, or a public stoning.
I found it quite funny that due to parts of the bible that had been quoted by an Atheist, Tiffany had no idea what they were talking about. Had it been argued from a Christian Republican stand point she would have. Or perhaps, not only does she pick and choose what or who she teaches, she also picks and chooses what part of the bible she reads as well. And then adapt it to how she sees fits.
We might as well speak Japanese, she still think we’re talking in Atheist coding. Nandeyo, temee-wa baka no yurizoku desu!
blueollie said
Juice:
“ummm…..bitch is crazy…u should seriously put ur bible down n check urself into a mental hospital”
You should learn proper English and proper grammar or else you should go away and leave this site to literate grown-ups.
brainspiller83 said
blueollie, if that is true… Why are you allowing people like June Gordon & Billy Joe Neck on here. I’ve seen Billy Joe’s videos and quite frankly his language use is similar to Juice’s. The only difference is, those two have the same or similar opinion where as Juice’s opinion is different to yours.
Besides, proper English comes from England seeing as they had it pre-colonial times. Bastardised English comes from America. At-least Canada has the decency to continue it.
By the way, PWN’D isn’t proper English grammar.
Jesus Christ Hisself! said
You call yourselves God-fearing right wingers!!??? You all aint nuthing but a bunch of stinkin’ liberals! How could you right that evil stuff about saint Sarah palin? You evil monsters!!!!!!!
Satan said
You’re a [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] idiot. You’re the type of people that give Christians a bad name.
Satan said
And I’m glad this will be moderated by other [UNCHRISTIAN WORD REMOVED] idiots. When you die, I hope God is [BLASPHEMY REMOVED], he’ll smite you to hell. And you’ve been living in fear all of this time for [BLASPHEMY REMOVED]! Ha.
Tards said
You people are insane, for your own health I suggest checking yourselves into insane asylums.
How backwards, and brainwashed does a person have to be to think sign language is evil?
Bobby G said
Well Anon,
You quoted the scripture rightly, and the word for church means, the called out ones. Therefore, according to the scripture, if you take the admonition literally for all time, and not for the time that it was written, considering the culture of the time, then women should be silient anywhere except in their homes, when they are asking their husbands questions about spiritual things. You see, the people are the church, (the called out ones), and not the building. So her retort about being able to teach, talk, rebuke, outside of the building, has no validity.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Bobby G,
Will wonders never cease? What happened to the liberal pretend Christian you used to be who was so desperate for acceptance that he befriended the atheists on this board and said anything he could to please them? Even though God condemns atheists in no uncertain terms, you have nothing but kind words for them. It’s the Christians you despise and attack.
Don’t you know that claiming the Bible forbids women from speaking anywhere outside the home will only serve to alienate your only friends? Oh, that’s right; I almost forgot. You’re one of those cafeteria Christians who cherry picks the Bible verses he likes and finds a way to rationalize away the ones he doesn’t like. You’ve already hinted that you’ll dismiss these verses as limited solely to the time in which they were written. So, you’ll be able to maintain approval among the atheists here — something you obviously crave desperately. In the process, you will confirm that you are completely disingenuous and have no integrity at all. But given the number of times you’ve done that, what difference will one more confirmation make?
Tiffany
brainspiller83 said
- You’re one of those cafeteria Christians who cherry picks the Bible verses he likes and finds a way to rationalize away the ones he doesn’t like. You’ve already hinted that you’ll dismiss these verses as limited solely to the time in which they were written. So, you’ll be able to maintain approval among the atheists here -
This is exactly what you’re doing, perhaps not the search of approval from atheists, but definitely picking out which ever bible verse that you feel suits your argument and then dismiss all those that atheists use which back up theres in greater literalism to yours. The verses you do use can be considered a metaphor, have more than one meaning and aren’t blunt enough to increase the strength of your argument.
Though hardly surprising when one doesn’t question their own belief in order to enhance the reason for believing so.
Paul said
So if I follow this logic correctly….that sign language is the language of the devil…..and I hear the pope speaking and I see someone signing for him…..it is really the DEVIL speaking? hmmmmmm
Tiffany Wellsley said
Paul,
Yes.
Tiffany
Lisa said
Parden [Pardon] me but am I reading a thread of jokes? [You won't be in hell very long before your laughter turns into tears.] Are you all seriously saying sign language is of the devil? [Yes.] Have you all lost your minds? [No.] Deaf people use their hands to speak instead of their mouths (like some of you probably shouldn’t even do). [And we don't.] Are you saying that just because their method of communication, or anything else for that matter, is different than yours then they are of the devil? [Yes.] What planet are you from? [Earth. Originally the Garden of Eden, before a woman even more cantankerous than you disobeyed our Lord.] And what language do they speak? [The heaven-bound ones speak English.] Are you kidding me? [Certainly not.] This is the most offensive, vile, rediculous [ridiculous] conversation I have ever heard or read in my life and all of you should be embarassed [embarrassed] of yourselves. [Judge yourself, harlot!] If any of you had any education on the matter whatsoever you would know better than to say these hideous things. [Our homeschooling is better than your integrated, crime-ridden, babysitting school] I know many Christians who are deaf and use ASL as their form of communication and if they read this redderick [What does that mean?] they would simply laugh out loud at you all [probably not because most of them are mutes]. Who the heck do you think you are making such a ridiculous statement about sign language? [True Christians] Can you hear? [Yes. We are demon-free.] Can you speak? [Yes. We are demon-free.] Then consider yourself lucky and leave the deaf alone. [If they stop making those obscene gestures in front of our children, we will.] You have no idea what in the world you are talking about. [We talk about the Bible, and we are very familiar with its contents.] It’s this kind of conversation and intolerance that is the work of the devil [only your part of the discussion], not sign language. So, now that you have [UnChristian language removed.]
[Moderator's note: Perhaps if you spent the time devoted to persecuting True Christians to exorcising the devils from those deaf, dumb mutes, you'd both be better off.]
Brother Bob L. Yates, Jr. said
Non-Christian Humanist-Satanist Lisa…
All apologies if you don’t like the simple truth, but deaf people were made that way by the Almighty, probably as a punishment for something their parents or ancestors did. They are – by definition – cursed and good Christians should accept this as opposed to trying to circumvent the Lord’s Justice with Satanic schemes like “sign (of Satan) language.”
Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
If the Lord wanted them to understand what normal people were saying, He would have allowed them to hear. Since He didn’t they should know only what they can divine without hearing. “Sign language” circumvents the Lord’s intention and is therefore evil. Keep the deaf in silence and isolation as the Lord decreed, you vile heretic!!!
In the Blood of the Lamb, Brother Bob
Jenn said
[Unchristian comments removed.] Many deaf people have been taught through the oral method. [That is it, Jenn! We have had quite enough of your smut. Perhaps in your world of promiscuous sex with anyone who isn't repulsed by the mere sight of you, your foul-mouthed talk is OK. But it is not acceptable on a Christian board. You have been forewarned!]
Jenn said
It’s funny, when anyone makes logical points, in correct english, that disagree with what YOU believe in, and disprove YOUR points, the moderator simply removes them and calls them unchristian smut, even though I didn’t even include one “swear word” in my entire reply. Also, the moderator said “the heaven bound ones speak English”, so now you are saying that anyone who speaks any other language other than English is going to hell? Jesus didn’t even speak English you idiots.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Of course Jesus didn’t speak in English, you idiot. He spoke so those around him could understand him. He THOUGHT in English though.
Triforcharity said
Yeah, because English was invented somewhere around the middle of the 5th century A.D. So yeah, sure, he THOUGHT in English. NOPE!! WRONG!!!!
Most likely was Hebrew. But, that is neither here nor there.
blueollie said
“Yeah, because English was invented somewhere around the middle of the 5th century A.D. So yeah, sure, he THOUGHT in English. NOPE!! WRONG!!!!
Most likely was Hebrew. But, that is neither here nor there.”
You are such a sad, pathetic case.
Yes, the atheistic scholars of the (faux) “higher Biblical criticism” (who are they to CRITICIZE the Bible!) school of thought claim that the New Testament was written in Greek and that Our Savior spoke Aramaic.
But I know better than that; clearly He spoke in Elizabethan English.
PS: these so-called scholars also claim that the letters of Paul were written first (roughly 50 AD…not “CE” but AD) and then the Gospels were written 20 to 50 years later.
But I know better than that!
Jenn said
Haha. I see the moderator has a sense of humor.
Triforcharity said
Hey numbskull,
Elizabeth English was invented somewhere around the 15th century AD. So, yet again, you’re wrong. Care to take another stab at it???
Jenn said
Yes, Blue Ollie, Jesus spoke in Elizabethan English. He was practically William Shakespeare, as we all know. Wow…I do hope you are joking.
After that reply I can’t stand to argue about this anymore so I’ll leave you with an earlier wise post from a true Christian that all of us, unworthy as we are, can learn from:
I can’t stand to read anymore of this blog but I leave you with th Living God does not choose sides in a political election. He will work His Will through those He chooses and it is wicked and a sign of your own blasphemous pride to presume you know who He is supporting.
…And I have said too much already to you. I know already that you will not regard or heed my words for the Lord tells me you will not.
“As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly. Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? There is more hope of a fool than of him.” -Proverbs 26:11 & 12
I will pray for you brother Bob, and for others on this website. Many of you here are FAR too comfortable judging others when ALL are unworthy and ALL of us fall short of The Glory of the Lord. I will pray for you and hope that the Lord will see fit to turn you from your own wicked self-righteousness.
Only The Sacrifice of The Christ can save souls. I warn you that placing yourself in judgement over others is as sure a road to Hell as idolitry or any of the sexual perversions of the flesh.
I was referred to this site by a friend, this is my first visit and it WILL be my last… There is no fellowship of Christian conservatives here! This is a den where the hateful and half educated come to sit in self righteous judgement over their brothers.
I implore you all to remember that ALL men sin and are unworthy. Satan works in us all, regardless of our hearing, or we would not each need The Salvation purchased for us by the Perfect Sacrifice.
May The Living Christ bring ALL of us the peace we seek.
Amen and Amen.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Jenn,
I only hope your cooptation of that other moron’s words signals that you will thankfully be leaving this Godly board, just as that buffoon finally did. Oh, this I pray!
TFC,
You’re like a little child who knocked down his first pin at the bowling alley. And yet, your victories are in your own mind only. God is omnipotent and therefore knows languages we haven’t even developed yet. In any event, your unfathomable insecurity and tremendous need to one-up people on this board are really sad and pathetic. You need counseling — desperately.
Tiffany
Ms. Gwynette said
Tiffany,
An SAT word and a good analogy in one posting! God must love you dearly for your glorious grasp of the langauge of the Lord.
As your former English teacher I could not be more proud.
Ms. Gwynette
Mount Holly-on-the-Hill High School
Tiffany Wellsley said
Ms. Gwynette,
Oh, my word! This can’t be THE Mrs. Gwynette. What a small world it is. With that said, I’m afraid I must point out that the years have not been kind. In addition to you adopting the feminazi salutation, “Ms.,” well, how can I say this delicately? The English “language” is our “language,” not our “langauge.” Of course, knowing how old you are (since you were no spring chicken when I was in grade school), I’ll certainly overlook that error. By the way, is your husband, Jeff, the gym teacher, still with us?
It really is great to hear from you! I know this board has become popular among conservative Christians, but I never thought I’d actually encounter a former teacher here.
My best,
Tiffany
Ms. Gywnette said
I am afraid that Mr. Gwynette passed away some years ago. Suffered a heart attack watching a girls volleyball game. But can you blame him with all those young things running around in hot pants?
Please forgive my typing- I have a hired girl of questionable descent type for me as my arthritis is quite bad. I may have to call the INS on her one of these days.
Ms. Gwynette
Mount Holly-on-the-Hill High School
blueollie said
“I was referred to this site by a friend, this is my first visit and it WILL be my last”
Promises, promises.
“Elizabeth English was invented somewhere around the 15th century AD”
You mean “Elizabethan”, right, oh illiterate one?
No, English of that period wasn’t “invented”; if you believe the scholars it, ahem, “evolved” out of Middle English (sorry about using that word!).
Don’t you ever get tired out of making a fool out of yourself? Oh wait, maybe it is your role to be the “court jester” of this website. After all, Our Savior made smart people (like us) and people for us to make fun of (e. g., you) for our entertainment.
Atheist said
I stumbled across this site by accident, and I’m sorry I did. You people make me laugh. It’s sad enough that you even believe in things like the devil, but to be criticizing sign language, because a “swishy” letter seems gay or you think “I love you” is a sign of satan, is just moronic. You damn Catholics are so stupid, and there’s nothing wrong with homosexuality, or the language that impaired people use to communicate. I can’t even read some of these comments. You need a reality check. If there is such a thing as heaven and hell, well, we all know you won’t be making it to heaven.
blueollie said
“I stumbled across this site by accident”
Sure you did, just like you are even on this earth by “accident” (which atheists call EVIL-loution).
“You damn Catholics are so stupid,”
Oh my goodness….we agree on something!
Psst: we are real conservative Christian Republicans; we don’t like the Papists either.
“I can’t even read some of these comments.”
I am glad that you admit it. Henceforth, I’ll use very simple, elementary words and simple diction so you won’t get lost.
And, because I am in a charitable mood, I’ll say a prayer for you and all of the other “hell bound” people, which include:
atheists, agnostics, faux Christians, Buddhists, Pagans, Hindus, Muslims, geologists, biologists, cosmologists, astronomers, particle physicists, relativity theorists, Keynesian economists, liberals, Democrats, Obama supporters, those who think that Obama’s birth certificate is real, stimulus package supporters, Countdown watchers, MSNBC watchers, The Nation readers, Air America listeners, Daily Kos bloggers and Mexicans (except for Alberto Gonzales).
Ella said
I searched “I love you” and this is what I find? A group of people who because of their God’s “unconditional love” are spreading their hatred of people with differences? This is sickening. You know, with all the hate and fight and conflict in the world we don’t need this… vile thread. It’s not wrong to be different, really, it isn’t. I’m different than you, you’re different than me- we’re all different from each other. Our differences don’t make us enemies. They don’t make the other bad. They don’t mean that because you are different you are being punished by your God. You aren’t made a sinner because you look different, act different, speak differently, or walk differently. And it’s not bad to help people who are different from you either. In fact, some might argue that you are doing God’s will by helping others achieve a higher form of themselves. If they be Christian books then so be it, but reading to the deaf is not a crime. And the deaf aren’t automatically bad people. Sure, if you want to believe that they are a “owing up to God” then well, isn’t giving them a helping hand a good thing? Wouldn’t your God want you to try a touch each life positively, even if their own is tainted? Deaf does not mean bad, and sign language is just a tool. Just like any other language. About the “j” thing- how does a motion be “gay”? Maybe you should look up the meaning of gay on one of your Christian dictionaries. If you don’t have one just look below…
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Gay
now, you may not agree with what the actual word stands for, but among any of those definitions does a reference to the sign language motion for j appear. You can’t classify a hand movement to be “gay” because then you are misusing the language. For the “I love you” sign- really? Now you’re just trying to find ways that it could mean something bad. Seriously- they are not the same sign. They have no correlation. It’s an “i” then an “l” then a “y” each of these letters in sign language is rolled into one to produce “I love you”.
Please, spread love, not hatred.
You offend me, and all the other people in the world by shunning those who are not like you.
Have a good day,
~Ella
Tiffany Wellsley said
“I searched ‘I love you; and this is what I find?”
What kind of lady engages in internet searches for “love” with people she’s never even met? That was a rhetorical question, of course, because we know what kind, and she’s no lady.
This board is for Christians, not promiscuous woman so desperate for sex that they look for it in random places. There are plenty of message boards all over the internet for tramps like you. Leave the Godly alone.
Tiffany
P.S. I have no idea what your post says and I couldn’t care less. I’m not about to be exposed to filth written by a harlot like you.
BrotherInChrist said
Ella,
“Please, spread love, not hatred.
You offend me, and all the other people in the world by shunning those who are not like you”.
I hope you are not spreading disease while you are spreading love. The name of this Forum is Republican Faith Chat. It is intended for True Christians which it pretty much goes without saying they will be republicans. If you find the views expressed here offensive, the only thing that counts is what is offensive to The Lord. Maybe Satan will allow voter registration to include independents.
I have heard “speaking in tongues”. I have witnessed what appears to be typing in tongues by demons with keyboards. I frankly have no idea what your tongue finger communicates, but my guess is that Satan will find them amusing. The Lord shall not be amused no merciful.
A very nice day to you too. Enjoy them while they last, it is going to be mighty hot where you’re headed. I look forward to an eternity of nice days.
john smith said
you are one spanner (wrench) short of a tool kit to think this. I think you should step outside and have a word with yourself. its people like you that end up burning books because of there inocsent content think you should keep your mouth shut and open your mind a little.
blueollie said
“its people like you that end up burning books because of there inocsent content think you should keep your mouth shut and open your mind a little.”
Dear God Have Mercy!
1. “its”. It is “it’s” as in, “it is”.
2. “there”?? You mean “their”.
3. “inocsent”: you meant “innocent”, I think.
You are obviously possessed by Satan and therefore unable to compose a coherent sentence; it is also clear that you haven’t read many books.
chrisitangirl said
oh my goodness. this is ridiculous. asl is not the language of the devil. man were you people dropped on your head as children? and what kind of christians are you? you are spreading hate, not love like jesus did. jesus’ saving love is for everyone, because he loves everyone. if he didn’t he wouldn’t of died for us. all of you need to realize that.
RRDavey said
Christiangirl,
God so loved the world that he killed his only begotten Son as proof of His love. Verily, this is true. I have, at times, had difficulty in my life understanding and explaining to non-Christians how a parent could and should kill their own child as a testament of love. If you think about it though, perhaps the boundaries between love and hate are not so far apart. Therefore, what you misunderestimate as “hate” on this board is actually the epitome of True Christian Love. Spend a moment of prayer with this thought and I am sure you will come to understand what I mean.
Rapture-You Betcha’-Ready Davey
bobby g said
RRdavey,
God so loved the world that He “gave” His only Son. He didn’t kill him, the jewish mob did that. I believe that Peter, in Acts 2:22-23, said that very thing. In verse 24, it says that God raised Him from the dead.
So, God sent Jesus to be the sacrifice for our sins, but Jesus had the choice as to whether to go through with it. He chose to complete the task that God laid before Him, but it was man, not God who killed Him and nailed Him to a cross. (see Acts 3:13-15)
Scripture says nothing about killing your child as a testament of love. That is such a perversion of Scripture! And this site breeds hate and bigotry against those who do not believe exactly as the “Southern Baptist Christians” claim to believe. There is no epitome of Christian love here, but instead, an outpouring of slander and dissention against any and everyone who claims to be a Christian, or not a Christian, with a differing viewpoint.
MODERATOR’S NOTE: Your blasphemy knows no end. How dare you take the power away from God and pretend to give it to man? It was God’s will that Jesus be killed; He was sent to Earth for that purpose. Saying it wasn’t God who did it is like saying, “I threw my baby onto the freeway. I wasn’t responsible for her his death; the drivers were!”
Atheist said
Intolerance only leads to the downfall of society. Open a history book and you will learn that. If you want to have a religion and believe the things you do about god, Jesus, and the devil, then I have no objections. I just wish you could realize that there is an entire world outside of your faith. Difference is something to be praised, not judged to be the work of the devil.
I honestly believe that if there was a god, people like you [meaning anyone who hates entire groups of people - such as atheists, gays, Jews, agnostics, Buddhists, Pagans, Hindus, Muslims, geologists, biologists, cosmologists, astronomers, particle physicists, relativity theorists, liberals, Democrats, and Mexicans(where did that one even come from?) - that they know nothing about] would not exist and be allowed to share your cruel opinions with anyone.
RRDavey said
Moderator,
Although your words to Bobby G. are surely prescient and true, I am not sure your baby splat on the freeway analogy is accessible enough to cut through his thick clutter and fog of perverse “religious” beliefs. Please permit my humble attempt to present an analogy that maybe even he will understand.
Bobby G., the National Rifle Association has a bumper sticker slogan that goes: “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” One could argue that it would be more accurate to say that “Guns don’t kill people, bullets kill people,” but I digress.
Now let’s apply this concept to the killing of Jesus. If the cross is the bullet and the “Jewish mobs” (as you call them) are the gun, then only God can be the trigger man. Bobby G., I think even you would agree that God is all-knowing and all-powerful. He could have easily sent a wave of water, a plague of disease, or a cloud of locusts to thwart the Jewish mobs. But no, He saw purpose is nailing His only begotten Son to the early version of an electric chair as a testament of His love for humanity. It makes perfect sense to me. I don’t understand why you don’t get it. He is God, after all.
May the Blood of the Lamb wash away your sin.
YIC,
Rapture-Ready Davey
RRDavey said
Atheist,
We on this Godly board will join hands in song, praise and dare I say laughter as we gather around the Devil’s anus of Hell and peer down at you as your flesh burns to ash and you gobble the Devil’s goo.
See you in Hell, sucka!
Rapture-Ready (so I can watch Atheist swallow) Davey
Atheist said
Thanks for the pretty image RRDavey.
Hate to burst your bubble, but there is no hell.
Great try though!
RRDavey said
Atheist
Gotcha!
RRDavey
Atheist said
what? got me?
Leann S said
It sucks that you only spend your freetime looking for satanic things you must be obsessed with the devil. And the thought of you insulting a language i am custom to due to my mother is what i call [obscenity deleted]. Find something more creative to do with your time than to down on other peoples way of communication. The deaf using the Iloveyou sign NEVER use it in a way that you are speaking. This is just so shcocking I knew people didnt like the fact others could be diffretnt but to make them out to be bad I consider you the biggest [obscenity deleted] of em all…..!!!!!!!!!!
blueollie said
I wish that The Almighty would help me to understand why the doomed (e. g., people like “atheist”) continue to troll on this Godly board.
Even worse, why do the moderators permit such trolling? After all, there will come a time (soon?) when the righteous (us) will enjoy the torments of the wicked (e. g., people like “atheist”). It just seems unseemly to be talking to someone whose demise we are preparing to celebrate.
I mean, really: do we associate with the animal that we are about to slaughter for our dinner?
Atheist said
Now that is just flat out sadistic.
I’m staying on this board, whether you like it or not. It will help with a study I’m doing in school about the Holocaust, anyway. I see no difference between your intolerance and that of the Nazis before the created the death camps. It makes me wonder what’s next for you people. Are you about to cause another genocide? Are you the Nazis of our generation? You seem to hate any difference enough to want others dead, and you want to celebrate their deaths. I still don’t understand how someone becomes stupid enough to build up so much hate for entire groups of people. I plan on staying until it begins to make sense. Were you brainwashed as children? Is it your church that teaches you these horrible things or is it your parents? Did anyone choose to become part of your religion or was everyone just born into it? Most importantly, why do you hate atheists (or any of the many other examples of groups you hate)? Is there even a reason? Religious freedom is one of my rights. Why do you choose to fight that freedom with intolerance?
blueollie said
Listen Tonto (aka Atheist): We believe in The God of The Bible. The God of The Bible hates lots of stuff, including:
1. Atheists
2. Agnostics
3. Faux Christians of all kinds (those who cherry-pick the “love stuff” from the Bible while ignoring or rationalizing away the stuff that isn’t palatable to them.
4. All sorts of scientists including evolutionists, geologists, astronomers, cosmologists, particle physicists, relativity theory experts, etc.
5. Democrats, Obama voters, liberals, those who think that Obama is a US citizen, etc.
6. MSNBC watchers, Daily Show watchers, Olberman, Maddow and Moyers fans
7. Drunkards (except for Sister June), Drug addicts (except for Sister June), the promiscuous (except for Sister June), public aid recipients (except for Sister June), and loan deadbeats (except for Sister June)
8. Mexicans (except for Alberto Gonzales)
Normally I’d say Muslims too, but you know, they have great social values (e. g., they hate homos, deny modern science, keep women in their place and love to blow things up); I just wish we could get them to worship the right God.
So, “Atheist”, we worship The God of the Bible in the way that He demands (not “asks”, “demands”) to be worshiped.
You don’t belong here; why don’t your try richarddawkins.net, dailykos.com, or an msnbc message board?
Atheist said
You didn’t answer my questions. You have not supplied any reason. People living during the 16th century were more intelligent than you are today. Your blind obedience to your “god” of hatred makes no sense.
I almost wish there really was a hell so that someone like you will be punished for the things you say and believe. I’m done on this board. Your incompetence is almost painful.
Goodbye and good riddance.
blueollie said
Oh dear: Atheist writes:
“I’m staying on this board, whether you like it or not. ”
And now writes:
“I’m done on this board.”
Atheist said
One last comment and then I’m deleting this site from my history.
I hope you feel good about yourself knowing that you’re verbally abusing a minor.
blueollie said
“One last comment and then I’m deleting this site from my history.”
Promises, promises.
chrisitangirl said
question are u people for real? this must be a joke. you all are horrible people. god loves us all. deal.
Wow.. said
All of this is very, very interesting. The back and forth bantering and spelling corrections. The one thing that really sticks out to me is that ‘God hates’ bit just a few posts ago. That is certainly news to me.
Tiffany Wellsley said
The fact that there are 50 states in this country is probably news to you.
The Mome Wrath said
#346, I thought that when I first found this site, in fact, this is the first posting that I saw off of it.
HaMan Ordoz said
THese are not Satan Language People…the satan Language Named By “Armara Denma”..its depended on old finicios letters between lines…
the 1st satan appers in old egypt named Denma ,she was female and she teached the old egyptiens how 2 build the pyramides ..as u can c in the pic the piramids depend on 4 rectangles based on a square
as u can see they r 6 pyramides the biggest one for khofo the last faraon who rejected “denma” and her ideas..
in this pic..this is not ” ABO AL HOLE ” STATUE this is ” Divcoogen” the old empra of satans kingdom under seas…
u can notice in the pic the rectangled letter ..and it means power of mind in satanic alphabet
[Moderator's note: If you understand this post, you are as beholden to Lucifer as this lost soul! Please leave this board at once.]
blueollie said
Moderator: that person is in bad need of one of Bobby Jindal’s exorcisms.
normal person said
what the fuck is wrong with you people. your so wrong about life. go outside and do other things besides putting down deaf people and there only means of communication(besides writing). i mean wow you guys are fucked up
Dr. Pepper said
I am a devout christian, born and rasied by a nazarene minister, in the nazarene church, and currently attend a nazarene university. I love Jesus and God more than anything, they really are my rock.
BUT
You are FOOLISH to believe that sign language is of the devil and all deaf people are in the cult. I personaly know 2 people that became deaf in their late 30’s and 40’s, and had to restort to sign language as communication. They loved Jesus, and had NOTHING to do with satan. Im offened. People like YOU give christians a bad name. I suppose since i’ve been playing drums for 9 years, in various forms of jazz, rock, and metal, I suppose that means im a minion of satan too. It has nothing to do with the gifts the God has blessed me with.
Also, if you were wondering, I am very consertive, I live in the nations most conservitive state, which is Idaho ‘(believe it or not). But i sure have enough common sence to know that people like you, who claim to be “sisters” are really supporting the work of satan more than they bring “love” to the world.
OPEN YOUR BIBLE, GO TO CHURCH, AND GAIN SOME COMMON SENCE. YOU’LL BE SUPPRISED WHAT TRUTH CAN TEACH YOU
Kiley said
Ok so how is this The devil’s language? Its helping the deft people learn better and become smart happy people.
God says all men are equal No matter what.
And those are his spoken words.
And about the “J” Being to “Gay” looking, Is very wrong to say Cause the person who started sign lanuage wasn’t gay.
You people have no respect. The devil are things like temptation & Drugs & envy
And things like the 7 sins.
God said nothing About gays being wrong. Man made that up on their own.
Kiley said
The people who posted this are simply pathetic for putting down deft people
Oh & did you know that 98% of are population is gay?!
& About 75 is deft!
jenn said
kiley what are you talking about? 98 percent of the population is gay and 75 percent is “deft”?? get some education along with whoever wrote this absurd article. thanks.
Deaf Christian said
I have read quiet a bit from this forum. Wow. Truly amazing that someone would believe such a thing as sign language being somehow satanic.
I am a Christian. A good, whole-hearted Christian. But like you, and everyone else, I am also, a sinner. We are all sinners. See bible verse for this.
I am also deaf. It is not a punishment in my eyes. God made me deaf for a reason. Once I could hear, then I slowly lost it. The deaf have many organizations, many ways in which we help others. We have pastors too. We feel the awesomeness of the holy spirit! We love God too. Some of them are anthiest. So each to their own.
It is not for us to hate people. In my opinion, only God has the right to say that. He tells us to love everyone. Our enemies even. This means we should not hate them,but love them.
I have a friend, she’s an anthiest. Thats her choice. We can only pray for those who are that way. But you cannot for any reason possibily believe that signlanguage is a source of evil.
If that were the case, how could I love my Lord so much? How could I have so much good in me? How could I love others? How could I read His word and want to serve Him and please Him? Why would that matter to me? Signlanguage being satanic is ridiculous. Perhaps only if one were to use it that way. But we do not. It is out form of communication.
You may judge me all you want. You say its for God to judge, yet you yourself are passing judgement. It is for HIM to decide. Just as it is HIS judgement now. Your thoughts and beliefs are between you and Him.
I am amazed is all. Prayers for you. Cuz I have a happy wonderful life, and I know my Lord loves me! AND I serve him the best that I can! We are all sinners, and no one is perfect but Jesus Christ. You cannot even claim to be perfect. So therefore you cannot judge American Sign Language, or any other language. Except you did, so…may the Lord be with you.
OH I have a PS Note:
You asked an anthiest to leave. Yes, we should not socialize with those who put us in bad positions, but, we shld however be encourage those who do not know the Lord to get to know Him. And give them the opportunity to see Gods work. And who knows. You knowGod can change people. An antheist could become a Christian. It can happen! I believe the anthiest had a right to his/her opinions. Shame on you for not showing that we love our enemies as God commands us to.
A DEAF CHRISTIAN (and not ashamed!)
Deaf Christian said
Blue Ollie–do you seriously look forward to celebrating someones demense? That is horrible. Did you ever stop to think that the coming of Jesus is not here as of this moment gives those who have not yet repented and turned their life to serve Him—a chance?
Jesus died for ALL of us. Not just you and not just me, but every single sinner. That includes anthiests and everyones.
We gotta say a prayer for you and these people on here that think this way. I honestly cannot….nevermind. Its between you and God.
blueollie said
358: “do you seriously look forward to celebrating someones demense?”
I do look forward to the DEMISE of the wicked (I don’t know what a “demense” is
)
Please note that illiterates will not inherit the Kingdom of God (except for Sister June)
But sure, part of “Paradise” is being able to delight in the torments of the wicked.
Tiffany Wellsley said
Deaf Christian (aka Truly Amazed),
If you’re a real Christian, why would you try to deceive everyone by using different names depending upon what you’re posting? Can you spell “h