Scarlet Letter Campaign Update: A Victory!
Posted by Pastor Tobin Maker D.D on August 3, 2007
My friends, just 48 hours after I first suggested atheists and their products be clearly identified by a scarlet letter “A”, we have our first victory!
Pharyngula is a blog run by a science professor named P.Z Myers. Not only does Mr Myers believe in the fantasy of evilution, but every year he milks thousands and thousands of dollars out of the education system to indoctrinate children into his hateful cult. Like most liberal educators at America’s secular colleges, Myers lives a life of luxury at taxpayers’ expense—taking long vacations with his trophy wife, driving expensive foreign cars, dressing his children in exclusive fashions—all the while promoting his vengeful and deceitful ideology.
We at Baptists For Brownback, eager to test the “A” for atheism approach for the first time, were looking for a suitable target, and what better target than Pharyngula? As one of the most popular anti-Christian hate sites on the Internet, many innocent victims accidentally stumble upon it every day, and are exposed to the rubbish published there. In my capacity as a pastor and youth counselor, I have had to repeatedly deal with the spiritual fallout from such shameful episodes.
Hopefully, tragic mishaps like that will soon be history. After two days of intensive lobbying by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett, Lynelle Bryant and myself, the “Science Blogs” community, which hosts Pharyngula, has agreed to place a scarlet “A” on the left-hand sidebar of the blog. From today, any Christian who inadvertently comes across this filth page will immediately know it is not a suitable place in which to dwell.
This is only a small, initial step, but it is a significant one. We have seen what righteous anger and forceful advocacy can achieve, and are working to insure that soon, very soon, every Christian will know their enemies by the badge they wear. Praise!
Yours in Christ,
Tobin Maker, Resident Pastor, Baptists for Brownback 2008
UPDATE: science fiction author Richard Dawkins tries to sabotage the Scarlet Letter campaign!
roopster said
I think our blog deserves to be listed on hellbound
roopster said
btw, blog address is http://de-conversion.com
JustMe said
How will Christians know what the A stands for? Unless it comes with an explanation, people may be lead to believe that this site gets an “A” rating. Not that I agree with the site (haven’t even checked it out), I just don’t think it will be effective.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
roopster,
Your blog doesn’t deserve anything but a big scarlet “A”. It’s a pure hate site–designed to persecute Christians.
JustMe,
Word of the “Scarlet A” is spreading and it will soon be as recognizable to Christians as the “skull-and-crossbones” poison symbol.
Bless you.
JustMe said
BTW Pastor Maker–if the site is a pure hate site, according to you, it should receive some sort of letter/brand.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
JustMe,
Of course it should. Didn’t I just say it did?
Bless you.
JustMe said
Hehehe…my apologies!!! Didn’t notice that!!!
JustMe said
Pastor Maker, how will it help Christians if we avoid nonChristian sites all together? We will have absolutely no idea what we’re up against, and I find that a dangerous position to be in.
Brother Yancy said
Dear Pastor Maker
Praise God for your Victory! Triumphal! Abundant!
This evening at our Men’s Fellowship I requested prayer for one of the lost souls tormenting Bro. McGregor on here. When I came home and read what had transpired I was shocked that Sisiter June had come to the conclusion that Veronica (afore-mentioned lost soul) was a Negree. I hope you will take this lapse of time into consideration.
In addition, if you have time, I wanted to tell you about a thrilling experience at Fellowship tonight. Glory!
I had the great good fortune to sit next to our new Youth Pastor, Steve. Praise God, Steve is a very experienced man for his age, only 27, having ministered to youth in congregations in 13 different states in just over the past 6 years! Can you imagine all that upheaval and moving about? As he is unmarried, as I am myself, I have no doubt that it was much easier for this exceptional young man to go to where he was needed to tend to young true Christians crying out for his guidance. Praise God for young people of his ilk. Triumphal! Abundant!
I realize your time is valuable, Sir, so, I remain,
YIC
Brother Yancy
Loc said
Brother Pastor Maker…heaven and earth,
Praise God for you Victory and Triumph. Praise to be though Lord…righteous and dwelling in the highest branch of all. But brother…though art remain humble and peaceful in thy mercy. Love thee with though heart and don’t bring trouble upon the maker’s sons and daughters. Chaste the wicked and scorn the evil. Love they brother…brother maker pastor maker. Peace be upon thy valuable sir….fellowship and glory to all. Peace be upon the wicked and miserable as Job. Peace. Brother….have righteous convictions to persecute the homosexuals and non-patriots. Peace be upon America…except when we’re at war with godless creators. Raise us up ol Lord. Love thine into darkness and light.
Brother…Loc
Brother McGregor said
Salutations in Christ! What a warm welcoming topic to find myself in. Thank you Dear Brother Yancy for your concerns and I know that and prayers offered have been my bastion whilst I was away attending to business this evening.
Just think…The Scarlett Letter mission make take angelic wing! It is hard to keeps the swellings of excitement to a more modest and mannerly level.
When great works are abounding it is hard to remain humble and quiet, content in the work.
I shall pray for more humility even as I try to repress a grin for all the bountiful good news.
The one blemish on this otherwise wonderful evening is that I see our trusty and long serving moderators were kept busy keeping the noisy unsafed populations in their place…
I pray they are not over taxed with the arduous labor of reading such drivel and then scooping it off the page like some long rancid kitty litter.
Still….it looks like a very productive evening and we can all allow ourselves…especially our good Pastor Maker, a small modest clap on the shoulders and a pleasing “well done!”
YIC
Brother McGregor said
goodness too many typos… Ah well it’s the excitement of this good congregation. I always type too fast when I am happy for others…
Praise BE
***UNChristian Word Removed*** said
Hey, thanks for recommending the Pharyngula science blog. I checked it out, and what did I find?:
>>Pope declares “there is much scientific proof in favour of evolution”!
>>Category: Creationism • Religion
>>Posted on: August 3, 2007 8:00 AM, by PZ Myers
Excellent!
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
***UNChristian Word Removed***,
Did you see the scarlet “A” right there on the left hand side of that vitriolic site? That’s due to us at “Baptists for Brownback”. Lord knows how many Christians will sleep easier tonight, knowing their children are protected.
Bless you.
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Confused said
Pastor Maker, they probably agreed to it because they see it as a badge of pride. Being hated by you is sort of a compliment.
Linus said
You are aware that the blog selected to put that there, as a mark of pride?
And all of you people who are confused by the motives of this blog… by the rationale offered here, it needs a “Scarlet A” as well, or so it appears to me.
***UNChristian Word Removed*** said
Pastor Tobin Maker
Yes, I know that’s it’s important to indoctrinate children with religion while they’re young. What adult would come to believe this nonsense on his or her own?
Mike Haubrich said
I am not surprised to see that your post against PZ is a pack of lies. The purpose of the A is not to destroy Christianity or to promote hate. You are conflating is with racialists and white supremacists (which enjoyed a great deal of Baptist complicity, btw.) The purpose is to let atheists who feel beleaguered by the Christian majority in this country know that they are not alone. We hope that the people who have to hide their beliefs from their neighbors to at least know that they aren’t alone in their beliefs.
You have posted blatant lies about PZ’s personal beliefs. You know nothing of his family, his wife nor his children. His wife is not a “trophy” wife, like Newt Gingrich’s latest girlfriend, she is his childhood sweetheart. I have seen his car. It is not a luxury car by any means. I have met at least one of his children and he has published photos of others on his site, and they are not dressed in “exclusive fashions” by any means.
You don’t like what he posts; fine. I can assure you, however, that in his “day” job he is a dedicated educator who focuses on origins through the means that can be learned through the scientific method, and in his blog he spends some time ridiculing those that deny what can be reliably learned through objective means. He is not a hateful person, but neither is he shy.
You, for some odd reason that belies your dedication to the Ten Commandments, bear false witness regarding the Scarlet Letter A on the blogs of those that choose to self-advertise their atheism (mine included, and I have no affiliation with either Seed Magazine nor their ScienceBlogs.) It is a choice, one made freely, and one which other atheist sciencebloggers have rejected. And I find it odd that you wish to take credit for a symbol first promoted by Richard Dawkins.
You have been caught prevaricating on several fronts, and if you seek converts among educated people, and even people that have the ability to do a wee bit of fact-checking, then your ministry is spiritually bankrupt.
Finally, I find the idea that considering tattoos bearing “A” or “L” or whatever you find to be distasteful to be itself repugnant and perhaps a taste of what would happen to plurality in your fantasy Brownback presidency. Please re-read _The Scarlet Letter_ and pay special attention to the ending. Who was the father? And where was his letter?
Your secret sin here is to lie about PZ, about atheists, about the Scarlet Letter (both the novel and the new Atheist symbol) and you should public acknowledge that either you have no knowledge of PZ’s personal life, or if you do, that you have lied about that as well.
I read in your sidebar that liberal antogonists call this site political satire. You may want to do a spell-check on that.
Ann O'Maly said
I think that Joe Biden is handsome and he’s a Catholic too.
Glenn said
As an atheist who loves and respects his Christian friends and family, I’ll tell you that screeds like Pastor Tobin’s helped more in my de-conversion than any words from any atheist. His writing such vitriolic, boastful, misleading tripe and closing with “Yours in Christ” would have offended me in my Christian days as blasphemy, as taking the Lord’s name in vain.
I’m grateful for this hopeful indication, though: “In my capacity as a pastor and youth counselor, I have had to repeatedly deal with the spiritual fallout from such shameful episodes.” Maybe young people are coming to value reason and evidence over authority and faith after all.
Glenn said
Okay, you got me. ;o)
Confused said
Glenn, I agree. People tried to Christianize me when I was a kid, but it just made me hate religion even more. It was those people who pushed me away from religious texts and towards scientific journals. I realized there was no God on my own (without the influence of any atheists), but it’s the pseudo-Christians who pushed me away from it.
BJ Tabor said
Confused,
If you are looking to get back to Christ the Pastor at my Church runs a special Soul Saving program for atheists. He guarantees that he can have any atheist begging for Jesus to save him with in three days. If you are interested I can have him contact you.
June said
If I saw an “A” on someone I would think of many words before “Atheist.”
In face the first one I would think of I am too much of a lady to type here.
I wish everyone a BLESSED DAY.
Confused said
BJ (heheh) Tabor,
I’m not interested in getting back together with the big J-Dizzle, but I’d actually be interested in taking that challenge just to see what it’s like. Unfortunately, I’m located in the north east, so I doubt it’d be possible.
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Mike Haubrich said
I’ve been reading this site, and I guess finally, it is time to stop backsliding. Back to Jesus all the way. And Brother Tabor, can you get me close to Sam?
phat said
What a crock! What a pack of lies.
Sheesh.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
phat,
You accuse and persecute without explanation or an opportunity for your victims to defend themselves.
Typical liberal response to the uncomfortable truth.
Bless you.
Connie Mack said
What I see is a whole bunch of satan worshipers coming here to try and steal the souls of Christians. Guess what? You are SOL because we are born again in the Blood of the Christ you don’t believe in – yet. In case you are too ignorant to read this is a Baptist website which mneans that we are saved. So your hate speech won’t be tolerated here.
Confused said
How can I be a satan worshipper if I don’t even believe in God? To believe in the antithesis of something I’d have to believe in that original “something” in the first place. Besides, I don’t believe in the idea of a soul, so how can I steal something else I don’t think exists?
Miss Mabel Gargula said
Dear Confused,
You may not believe in Satan, but be sure that he believes in you!
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Confused said
Mabel,
Good to know someone does.
Anonymous said
Ahh, it is all clear now! Glad I stuck around for a while.
La Mona said
Connie, in case you can’t read, some of the people disagreeing with you are Christian, which means they’re saved. So you’re baseless comments will be taken with a laugh as you ruin your own arguement.
Maker: Why give a chance….with the usual happenings here, I doubt you can defend yourself against that. (take this opportunity to try.)
June, “lady” is the last thing that most of the rational minds would consider you.
phat said
“Hopefully, tragic mishaps like that will soon be history. After two days of intensive lobbying by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett, Lynelle Bryant and myself, the “Science Blogs” community, which hosts Pharyngula, has agreed to place a scarlet “A” on the left-hand sidebar of the blog. ”
This is a baldfaced lie and you know it. If it’s supposed to be funny, well…
phat
tony said
What a load of hateful lies.
1. You accuse PZ Myers of living luxuriously at the expense of the taxpayer…. Actually (like most educators) he lives modestly at the expense of his college – who believe him a worthwhile enough educator and researcher to offer a stipend.
2. You accuse (strangely) him of driving an ‘expensive luxury foreign’ car. What may I ask do you drive? Any parts of foreign make? what do you consider luxury? A/C perhaps? a radio? perhaps electric wndows?
3. You also accuse his kids of “dressing in expensive fashions”. Perhaps you’ve heard of discount retailers (TJ Maxx, etc) — you can get expensive fashions for discount prices (that’s what I do). I *like*fashion. And I *choose* to spend my discresionary income however I wish. It’s not a *sin*…or is it?
You, my man, are an ass.
You should wear a large, red, A, permanently tattooed on your forehead for all to see.
Of perhaps an ‘L’ – for Liar.
Or perhaps we coulde even simply impose the convention of the ‘arrow’ – which I’m certain your ancestors would have been very familiar.
Pastor? Past-it, more like.
Brother McGregor said
Tony, Whilst I don’t happen to agree on who you might want to paste a large letter on, I am glad that you are coming around to the idea of scourging or branding. A little more time spent here reading and less “yapping” and you will soon see it our way….
Praise Be
YIC
ai_08 said
gee, thanks guys. my name happens to be Axia. you know, with an A. glad to know the letter A is so terrible. *rolls eyes*
Pastafarian said
So, from reading the article i can see the following as an advantage, people who belive that the site contains undesirable material, would be able to avoid it as it would be marked, the flipside to this is that by the time they see the image, they are already on the page, defeting the object. a more sensible way would to use the free applicaton PeerGardian, with a custom HTML block list which is easily installable, to stop ‘bad’ sites from even loading. not that i condone this but it would be a more sensibel option in my opinion.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
Pastafarian,
I cannot understand a word of your jibber-jabber. You may as well be speaking muslim, for all I know.
Come to Jesus.
Pastafarian said
3 points.
1. Muslim is not a Language
2. I Think i will stay to the Prophet Mosley, but thanks for the offer
3. I was sugesting that with a hours work listing so called bad sites into a table, people who wanted to opt in to the ‘Scarlett Letter’ Campagain could by simply downloading a free programme.
Brother Yancy said
Dear Pastor Tobin
I am sure this has not escaped you but the English-education of Pasta is screamingly obvious, but incomplete, as if his tutors were beheaded by the followers of Saladin!
YIC
Bro, Yancy
Pastafarian said
Fair point, my spelling could do with some work
Brother Yancy said
Pasta
No, what you do not realize is that b/c you were educated by British instead of Americans, you have been indoctrinated to hate America,
Live for Jesus!
Bro Yancy
Pastafarian said
Not true, i would have responded in the same way regardless of the country in which this board is placed. I dont have any disire to hate America. Nor do i hate any contry in paticular. One possible thing is that their may have been some subliminal message to hate america during my education, but im sure that it has had little effect on me as i have not yet had the urge to go and do any hateful activities towards america
June said
“b/c you were educated by British”
I don’t see no signs that that stupid nignog was ever educated! LOL
Jezebel (playdough girl) said
Hello boys, you are getting to friendly in here, you need a real woman to come in here and straighten you out! June, you are the only Christian I know that I enjoy reading your post, you tell it like it is, for the most part! Even if I don’t agree with you on all of what you say, I sure enjoy your humor! It’s so funny that you make me wanna slap my mamma!
Brother McGregor said
Jezebel…Don’t you be trying to lead June further astray. It is well known she gets into her cups so to speak but she is a true lady with only the smallest detours on her path to Glory.
Her trials and tribulations being what they are…it is a miracle she still gets up in the morning to witness and fight and call a spade a spade.
Amen
Jezebel (playdough girl) said
Well, Brother McGregor, I think June can take care of herself! It’s you that I’m trying to lead down a detour, as in “lead you down the garden path” so to speak. My husband likes to watch, so any time you’re UP for it, let me know…. now where’s that Brother Yancy….I wanna go ask him if he wants to come out and play…
Paul Sunstone said
Dear Pastor Maker,
Praise the Lord for your Godly site! Last night, I wept joyful tears unto our Lord Jesus when I stumbled upon your blessed site by clicking on a link to it that I found while surfing for sinners to save on the Hellbound “Unscrewing the Inscrutable” blog. Even when we walk in the Valley of Death among sinners, the Lord is with us and protects us and guides us to the Truth, as He did me, when I clicked on that link. The power of the Lord to save us is truly awesome!
In Christ,
Paul
M said
At least a scarlet letter “A” is a more wholesome symbol than that of a man being horribly tortured to death.
Infigirl said
Maybe everyone who supports this site should learn to research for yourselves and stop being literal sheep to an intellectually lazy shepard. The letter A on Pharyngula’s website is *unChristian words deleted*
*unChristian link deleted*
*unChristian link deleted*
*unChristian link deleted*
Stop using “god” as an excuse to let other people think and speak for you.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
M,
What a hateful thing to say! Jesus suffered and died for you. The least you can do is acknowledge that.
I shall pray for you.
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The Atheist Jew said
Pharyngula’s site is great. So is God Is For Suckers, and so is mine. Reality deniers are funny. You are funny Pastor.
Confused said
Atheist Jew, that’s how Marilyn Monroe described herself after she converted in order to marry Arthur Miller!
V said
How is this ideology any different than a Nazi labeling a Jew with a Star of David? It isn’t. You should be praying for yourself, not for others, because you are no better than the people you are crusading against. Aren’t “Christians” supposed to learn to “Love thy Neighbor?” How about “Turn the other cheek?” Oh, I forgot, it only applies if your neighbor believes the same thing as you. So it’s okay to parrot the message of Jesus without actually walking the path? How convenient for you. Good luck with that whole hell-fire thing; I’m sure it will be uncomfortably hot.
Gene Goldring said
Christian idealism wanting to put badges on people. Wasn’t this supported by Christian’s back in the 40’s with Hitler leading the way?
Follow the Fisherman said
Brothers and sisters in Christ, we should all pray, in our fellowships, in our churches and our homes that this filth will be strucken from the screens of the world. If the god-fearing of the world, convinced in the power of His name, ask Our Lord and Saviour to wipe the satanic spewings of this agent of Satan from our screens.
Children can read his writings, he deifies squids and creatures of the deep over our Saviour. He corrupts the minds of youth and when our prayers are answered and the Lord raises the righteous Sam Brownback to the White House, then we can purge education of these sin-pedalling hellbound lost souls and place Jesus front and center in the nation’s education and bring America back to the Lord.
TW said
Priceless comedy.
kemibe said
June, pray tell what is a “nignog”? I could not find this or its apparent cousin “Negree” in my Bible or even in my mothers Satanic version.
I want to add that PZ Myers is not only hateful of the LORD in word but also in deed. I have followed that *profanity deleted* page of his for a long time. He came to my own site un-invited and made Jokes there about entering a house of worship and leaving his human waste in the chalice and on the comunion plate. If his own waste mind you, can even be called “human” and thats debatable. I know alot of Christians who refuse to put up with his athiesm which he acts like he can prove. Never has their been more sycophants inone place than on his Blog. I am grateful at Pastor Tobin for getting ut word that we will not tolerate blows to out Faith and that the LORD advised there was always going to be Fools like PZ who abuse the teachings of Nature so they can say it’s all a big material joke. Well when te thermostate where they are headed is cranked up to 400 degrees Kevlin and stays there for centuries on end we’ll see whos got the funny *profanity deleted* blog then won’t we. I still pray for them.
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Kimberly said
Haha, I’m having to laugh right now, because funny thing.. PZ wasn’t *unChristian comment* But, I guess that’s not good enough. He must be lying, right? I don’t know how you people do it. How you can justify making things up and then insisting their correctness, when you know you made it up and you know you are lying. I guess God must have come and told you, it’s okay to lie, as long as its about people he hates (or that you assume he hates). I believe in God, but I don’t go about making up things, nor ignore evidence. But, I suppose given the list of other things you accuse PZ of, evidence isn’t something you care about either. Evilution, not funny, not even a little bit. If you’re going to attack something, at least spell it correctly. It’s evolution. And considering your amazing ability to ignore evidence, that you’ve ignored everything evolution is. Fantasy is dragons, elves, and wizards. The real world functions on the facts of evolution (yes, fact). I doubt very much you really know anything about it or science in general. What’s worse is the people on here agreeing with you without actually going to look for themselves. Oh.. Scarlet Letter, the book, actually read it. Hawthorn was a very good writer.
June said
Just what we need! A bunch of crazy Chinks posting on here!
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
June,
Although we love you very much, and your devotion to good works is astounding, it’s been suggested that you attempt to refrain from refreshments before 5pm.
Bless you.
wildlifer said
Thanks for spreading the word of the godless ….
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The Physicist said
any Christian who inadvertently comes across this filth page will immediately know it is not a suitable place in which to dwell.
Mr. Tobin, those are especially the places that Christians should dwell. Did Jesus send you to the Believers or the un-Believers. I can’t believe what I hearing out of a pastors mouth. It is ant-Biblical and anti-Christian.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
The Physicist,
No doubt you encourage your children to view pornography on your fancy computer. In past ages perverts like Charles Darwin took their offspring to zoos to watch animals fornicate.
Christians have better sense.
Milo Johnson said
Hey, how come you haven’t forced me to get a big red “A?” I think superstition is just as stupid as PZ does, and yours is right down there at the bottom of the pack. Are you prejudiced against me for some reason? Maybe you could just have your imaginary friend zap me with a lightning bolt or something. That’d show me.
You people are idiots.
Rich said
“’b/c you were educated by British’
I don’t see no signs that that stupid nignog was ever educated! LOL”
wow june, ignorant AND racist. way to further the image.
also, applause for brother tobin in his decision to ignore all the more compelling arguments in this thread, all the while dwelling on the lesser to support his blind hatred and intolerance.
i just don’t see how furthering the divisions between the believer and the atheist will lead to any productive solutions. i truly wish that both sides would ditch the vitriol, listen to one another for once, and THEN formulate their beliefs, all the while respecting the rights of others to do the same.
i don’t believe such a viewpoint to be overly pc or anything. please rationalize, people!
yours,
rich
onlycrook said
I didn’t realize that there were “unchristian words” let alone “unchristian links.” That’s interesting.
The Physicist said
The Physicist,
No doubt you encourage your children to view pornography on your fancy computer. In past ages perverts like Charles Darwin took their offspring to zoos to watch animals fornicate.
Christians have better sense.
Very funny, I was informed at PZ’s place this is a *profanity deleted*.
The Physicist said
Oh, And I am a Christian that dwells among the scarlet letter. I thought it was funny when PZ implemented the idea.
The Physicist said
I didn’t realize F*cking Bastard Site was a profanity. Good day gentlemen.
The Physicist said
Banned again
Ryno said
Your site is almost as well developed *profanity deleted* I salute you and your *profanity deleted*.
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This is funny. Funnier because people don’t realize that *shocking profanity deleted* has nothing on this place..
Luci said
In my humble opinion the scarlet letter A is a much better choice than a cross – who wants to be reminded about a murderous father killing his son for no reason? Why exalt the murder weapon? Is blood and gore so attractive?
I carry my A with pride.
Luci
David said
HAHAHA!
Well, this is starting to look like that creepy piece of FUD they were spreading about Christians in Iran, remember? “Christians and Jews will have to wear a badge stating their religion”. Of course, at the time it was “OMG!!!11 THIS IS RISKY! THEY ARE GOING TO KILL THOSE PEOPLE.”
Now, when you do it with Atheists is A-OK, because, you know, Atheists are all baby-eating devil worshipers or something.
Guys, please grow up.
Amelia said
Do you prefer these Bible verses to the letter A:
“There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.” — Ezekiel 23:20-21
Incest and family values:
“One day the older daughter said to the younger, ‘Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. Let’s get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father.’” — Genesis 19:31-38 (NIV)
?
Amelia
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
Amelia,
Like most uneducated people who have been blinded by the bright LED’s and sparking Jacob’s Ladders of science, you cherry pick parts of the BIBLE and use them out of context.
I shall pray for your soul.
billybobneck said
Ain’t it funny that the chinks come running at the sound of the word “atheist”? Them slants and slopes ain’t satisfied poisoning our pets and children but that wanna try to eat away from the inside too!
ckerst said
In case you are too ignorant to read this is a Baptist website which mneans that we are saved. So your hate speech won’t be tolerated here.************************
Sorry but the Catholics have the one true religion so I’m afraid that it is you that are damned to hell for all eternity.
Amelia said
My soul is just fine thank you – please don’t pray for me.
However, I know you feel it will take you one step closer to heaven should you save a sinner A like me.
Amelia (in a very happy place)
James said
So hows being mindless going for you?
aperfectstranger said
Your campaign reminds me of the following:
http://www.answers.com/topic/yellow-badge
James said
Just to add – all the kinky chicks go to hell.
Confused said
Billy Bob,
I’m 1/8th asian. Is that another reason that I’m being damned to hell?
Rob said
I would suggest that all good Christians here stop reading PZMyers blog, and instead turn to a real website about Christianity, in all it true glory: http://www.truechristian.com. There, you will learn the truth about what it means to be a real, true Christian.
beatrice said
Reading this site and the comments, I thought this was a psrodt.
But then I realized you’re serious about this.
How appalling.
The Physicist said
Alright, enough of the Jesus Jokes, fun is fun, but respecting other religions and not Christianty isn’t funny any more. Mohamed jokes seem not to be present.
Amelia said
What about mutual respect then? Have you seen this absolute RIDICULOUS list of so called “sinners” here on the website:
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/sow/
Please don’t forget to cover yourself with the blood of Jesus before going there.
Pastor Maker, is your god so powerless, so small that he needs you so desperately?
Amelia with a capital red A.
Frank said
I’ll agree with this just as soon as you folk adopt a similar “I” to label your sites. You can figure out what the “I” stands for and if you can’t then it’s doubly appropriate.
As for “respecting other religions and not Christianity,” sorry, but atheists (among whom I count myself) don’t believe _any_ of them. Christianity gets the most press in the US but the rest are just as loony. And I’ll stop expressing my intense distaste for your silly superstitions when you lot stop condemning me for not sharing them.
“Rated ‘A’ by Baptists For Brownback.” Seems like it might have the reverse of the effect you’re looking for, eh?
And Rob? Look up the “no true Scotsman” fallacy sometime, okay? You might learn something.
Frank said
Oh, and Tobin? By your condemnation of “cherry picking” from the Bible, I assume you keep kosher as well, right? No shellfish, no 40% polyester, stoning children for talking back to their parents, right?
If not, then why are _you_ “cherry picking” from the Bible? Matthew 5:17: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. 18 Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”
So are you a hypocrite or not?
Amelia said
Religion and preaching is nothing BUT cherry picking.
Have you ever preached about God commanding the Jews to bash the heads of babies against walls, Tobin? About how the women and children were saved for the pleasure of the victors, commanded by the god of the bible? Or do you preach: GOD IS LOVE??
A-melia
Amelia said
Also, I copy from your first paragraph:
” to indoctrinate children into his hateful cult. Like most liberal educators at America’s secular colleges, Myers lives a life of luxury at taxpayers’ expense—taking long vacations with his trophy wife, driving expensive foreign cars, dressing his children in exclusive fashions—all the while promoting his vengeful and deceitful ideology.”
Are you sure you are not describing the thousands of pastors who live of tithing, without ever paying a CENT in taxes? How much tax do you pay, Tobin?
Connie Mack said
Amelia,
It wouldn’t do for me to run in to the likes of you at Kroger, because sister we would have some words you wouldn’t soon forget. If I were you, and I am sure glad I’m not believe you me, I would shut up while I only looked like a half-fool. I always knew you atheists were insane but honey you are plain nuts.
Duck said
Word of the “Scarlet A” is spreading and it will soon be as recognizable to Christians as the “skull-and-crossbones” poison symbol.
The Scarlet A isn’t a skull and crossbones, its a *profanity deleted* started by *profanity deleted*. All you’ve done is help *profanity deleted* to do his work of making atheists come out of the closet and self-identify as such. Your “great victory” is laughable. It’s as if an atheist convinced undeclared Christian bloggers to post the Jesus fish symbol on their blogs.
You really should get out of the 19th century and look around once in a while.
Duck said
Pastor Maker, how will it help Christians if we avoid nonChristian sites all together? We will have absolutely no idea what we’re up against, and I find that a dangerous position to be in.
It will help you stay Christian by saving you the burden of independent thought and having to reconcile your worldview with all the inconvenient truths that contradict it.
Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett said
Look here Daffy Duck, there is no honor or pride in being one who denies the Lord as your personal savior. Instead of your precious “A”, you should be sporting a “I” for “I” rejected Christ so “I” am goiing to Hell.
Good riddens. Heaven don’t need garbage like you anyway. Next?
Amelia said
Connie,
Not as nuts as those who carry a cross around their necks. If Jesus was killed today, would you wear an electric chair as a piece of jewelry, or have it in your church as a symbol of god’s LOVE? ?
A-melia
Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett said
Amelia,
Don’t you dare talk back to Connie like that. Connie Mack has more class in one of her beautifully manicured pinkies than you can even dream of having. What you need to worry about is what you are going to do when the Lord comes back and leaves you behind. Will you still be clucking about like a yard chicken or will you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior? For the record, dear, Jesus can grant you access to Glory through His love and grace, but even He can’t make a lady out of you.
Brother McGregor said
Dear Sister TDGC
Marvelous…Astonishing…in your bruised state of body and soul…you still provide testament and scripture. Praise BE.
One cannot be blamed when the following comes to mind…
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet. Matthew 7:6″
You of course would know better…I pray that each second brings you stronger.
Bountiful Glory To Him Most High
Brother Yancy said
Dearest Sister TDGC
Brother M is so right. And, to be charitable, many of these people who are quick to detract may possibly be victims of the JCM (Jewish COntrolled Media) and really can’t help them selves. Remember, Paul wrote: “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4. Be wary of the circumcism group Paul warns about.
I will be submitting a post or two for your approval about the JCM, doctors conspiracy to mutilate gentile children at birth and the curse of malignant narcissism. I believe Brother M may be looking further into the kilt issue. He is such a soldier of Christ and a Warrior of the Word. Prasie God
I am so thankful for the ambundance of your triumph. Hosannah!
YIC
Brother Yancy
Rich said
after looking around the site, i applaud your efforts.
well played, well played. the most convincing faux-insanity i have ever come across.
David Ryland said
Ah, the scarlet letter A will be worn with pride!!
I think all sites should aspire to have this A, and indeed should apply to have it and wear it with pride to show that they support truth and progress.
Yours in the peace of Christ my brothers, and wearing the A with pride…
Brother McGregor said
Dear Dear Brother Yancy
You speak too kindly of me…You are, my fair brother in arms…We are girded with the Truth and His Word.
And look as the clouds part and sunshine radiance shines through! As Brother BillyBob said on another post…A bright spark seen from the heavens.
There is Mrs Gaines-Crockett, weak though she is, this is her TRIUMPHANT return. I would not want to have any of the glow more rightly rewarded to her gentle countenance.
No, our task is to stay the good fight. We must dig deeper into the trenches…avoid the snaring rusty sharp barbs of the critics and race headfirst into murderous shells and the whining sting of bullets and shrapnel. We must do what we can to keep our benevolently sweet Mrs Gaines Crockett and her precious form growing inside free from those unsaved that would malign her generous charactor.
I thought this beautiful Psalm was apt…it was song by a Warrior of God
Psalm 139:13-16
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
Norman Sensible said
Uuuuh, you are aware that the “A” links straight through to a pro-atheism website, right?
That prominent atheist Richard Dawkins supports this campaign to have atheist sites identified with this symbol?
That this symbol is a badge of honour and pride amongst the atheist community?
That the atheists seek to have this symbol on their sites, rather than have it branded upon them?
And therefore, because they seek to display this symbol, that you have not scored any victory against them. Because they WANT this symbol, and so it serves no purpose other than to generate pride and support amongst atheists?
Somewhere, I hear a campaign backfiring against you.
Me, and my God, and my theistic beliefs, are 100% behind the atheists on this one, because they are the only ones who promote God’s most wonderous tool in creation, the glory that is the gift of evolution that the Father in heaven bestowed upon his creations on earth. Beginning with his word 15 billion years ago and culminating now, we are the end products of God’s plan for evolution, and rather than being the tools of Satan and opposing the glory of our Father in heaven and denying his awesome majesty and power, we should praise his omnipotence in creating all life on earth through his glorious plan of evolution.
So all you Satan worshipping deluded fools who do the Great Deceivers work by promoting the sin of “creationism”, you are more damned than the atheists – their sin is not to believe in God. But it is a greater sin to oppose God’s will as you do by denying his glory, his power, and his works.
Jeff said
“What a hateful thing to say! Jesus suffered and died for you. The least you can do is acknowledge that.”
Yeah, but I didn’t ask him to.
Brother McGregor said
Yes but He did it all the same, Jeff. When the Heavens rent and Jesus comes in His Glory Profound…remember, then it will be too late to say “sheeeesh I thought they were kidding”
Look around you…Read the Scriptures…These are the last days…The signs are upon us.
YIC
Frank said
…as they said in 1007 CE and shall say in 3007 CE. And then there’s the fact that Matthew, Luke and Mark have their Jesus predicting that “this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” (Matthew 24:34)
See, the problem with religion in general and Christianity in particular is that the more you read their holy texts, the more likely you will be to see the glaring contradictions therein. The Bible in particular is full of them. See *unChristian link* for a whole host of examples.
Just for starters, did you know that there are two _contradictory_ versions of the Creation right there are the beginning of Genesis? And that’s by no means the least of it.
kemibe said
Say – what do people of Asian extraction, specifcly *racial slur* and *racial slur have to do with this?? Is it some kind of reference to Chinas no god policy so you call all athiests by ethical slur names? Also, picking on BlaCKS as well? Well thats classy. Sorry but that really chaps my *profanity* (not a curse word) and I’d say it to your face. Mr. Brownback should eb advised you guys are showing his supporters to be rascists, which would ruin his chances at the Presdeincy if the word gets out!
Brother McGregor said
kemibe…there are some salves and powders for that condition. Changing ones underclothing to a nice sanitary cotton might also ease the problem. Oatmeal bathes will do wonders with many unpleasant skin conditions. Above all keep yourself clean.
YIC
KC said
Frank,
Bad bad you posting links to bible contradiction, i’m sure that because of the open mind and the will to talk and discuss like the grown up people we are, your link will have to be removed and marked as *profanity*…
Isn’t it great …
feels like the inquisition all over again.
KC
Brother McGregor said
Yep and we might has missed them but thanks to KC we have spotted them. You can thank KC for that, Frank
Moderator please: a clean up on links not worthy of this fine Forum
thank you
YIC
Paul Sunstone said
If you were my daughter, Kemibe, and used such a foul and Godless word as *profanity*, I would turn you over my knee and smack your bare bottom with my righteous hand until it turned a cherry red, praise the Lord. May the Lord God your creator send unto you a man who walks in His Righteous Ways to chastise you for your potty mouth.
Campaign Christian Alphabet Recovery « Baptists For Brownback 2008 said
[...] as they may try, the Atheists will not ruin everything Holy about our alphabet. They may have stolen the letter “A” from God, but we say let [...]
Lynn David said
Reading not only the original article but also within the comments it is seen that the purveyors of this website appear to have had a break with reality. While the APAs (American Psychological [or Psychiatrc] Association) ascribe that “deeply-held religious thought should not be held as delusional,” y’all are certainly stretching at that rule. Primarily because you are imposing religious spiritualism onto what it easily seen to be the material reality. If anyone ever needed praying for, it might be the Maker’s of this website. But then I am sure that a good god should have mercy upon those who are mentally ill, even if it appears they have done it to themselves.
Aadithya Sugathan said
Firstly I’d like to apologize to anyone who may already have addressed the subjects which my comments address. To begin with I’d like to ask you, Pastor Tobin (sorry I don’t know if that’s the appropriate way to address you, please feel free to correct me), is Sam Brownback aware of this website’s existence, and if so does he endorse its views? (This is not related to any of my comments, I was just wondering).
Okay, now to my real questions. How you can accuse Pharyngula of being hateful when you accuse it of having a ‘deceitful’ and ‘vengeful’ ideology of ‘evilution’. These are after all not objective words based on facts, but words laced with opinion… perhaps with hate? Actually I should first ask are: when you say ‘evilution’ is that rhetoric or do you lack the knowledge of the correct spelling. E-v-o-l-u-t-i-o-n (Please consider my letter-by-letter spelling out of evolution as education rather than condescension).
In fact I do wonder why all the ‘righteous anger’ aimed at Atheists, because I have read that most Baptist traditions believe in the “Four Freedoms” as articulated by Baptist historian Walter B. Shurden. One of these freedoms is Religious freedom: the individual is free to choose whether to practice their religion, another religion, or no religion; Separation of church and state is often called the “civil corollary” of religious freedom. Surely Atheism falls under one of these categories?
Now I read your praise of the idea in the book ‘The Scarlet Letter’ bright red letter “A”, which a character who committed adultery is forced to wear on her dress. You believe this is an idea which should be enforced on the ’sinister’ cult of Atheists. You know, it’s a funny thing, but someone had a similar idea before. The Star of David was used by the Nazis during the Holocaust as a method of identifying Jews, either a badge or an armband. I’m afraid you are in quite dubious company.
As for your ‘victory’ in your personal ‘Scarlet Letter Campaign’, its worth noting that the idea of displaying a bright red letter ‘A’ on the website Pharyngula *unchristian words*
Finally I’d like to thank you for keeping your website open to comments, enabling the common man to respond to your views. I look forward to your reply.
Sincerely,
Aadithya
Frank said
Got it in one, KC. If a “moderator” does indeed delete that link (also available via *unChristian link*) it will be nothing more nor less than censorship. Which is, of course, their right on their website but it says a _lot_ about how thin their skins are and how intolerant they are to potential threats to their worldview.
And it’s certainly no surprise that “Brother McGregor” just blithely ignored the point I made. Business as usual for his type. He has his fingers in his ears and is loudly shouting “I do believe in Spooks, I do I do I do believe in Spooks!” Just in case his “god” is watching.
*snicker*
Frank said
I might also point out that if these were letter grades, while PZ Myers certainly deserves his “A,” the “C” on this site is being generous at best.
Dear Frank,
Mr. PZ Meyers certainly has earned his “A”. Aside from Atheist there are many a word I could use that starts with that “A” to describe your people, but I am simply too much of a lady to mention them.
scott said
oh, man. i thought this blog was a joke. i can´t believe people actually think like you. you guys would fit right in with the taliban.
i think it´s interesting that you christians support fighting radical muslims (eg, war on terror). the muslims hate you because they equate you with atheists and heathens (they associate all americans with hollywood, etc.). If they knew better, they would realize they only hate atheists like me, who are clearly the minority. But atheists like me (and pharyngula) don´t want to fight anyone and are generally pacifists.
you guys really have more in common with the taliban than you have in common with me. you should join up with them, create a religious government here in the united states (I know you´re trying hard), and exterminate all of us atheists. Then you won´t have to deal with our silly rationality!!
Lynn David said
BTW… will you also declare that a pink triangle be placed upon the websites of gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and the transgendererd? If the scarlet “A” that you demand upon atheists isn’t enough to show that you are dangerously akin to the fascist Nazi party, the pink triangle certainly would be such a sign. Is this what Senator Brownback stands for? Because such appears to be about as far from what the America is about as anything else, even communism.
Rev. Karl E. Taylor said
Good *profanity deleted*. Not quite as *profanity deleted*, but close.
Do keep up the good work. Mr. *unChristian word deleted* appreciates the free publicity a great deal. As does Mr. Myers.
Paul Sunstone said
Scott — I pray the Lord shows you the folly of your “rationality”, for it is written Christ came into the world to make the wise of this world foolish. Thus, may the Lord open your eyes to His Truth before He burns you in the cleansing fires of hell.
kemibe said
Brother MacGregor I want to know why you censured my use of the same words you allowed June to use and others too. She called a man who may be a man of color because he is Rasta a NIGNOG, how blatent is that. And she said the Chinks are here, I don’t see any. Those are not bad words mind you and I dont like the way Asians drive myself but come on, be consistant and stop discriminating against the Athiests who visit this site, Sen, (soon to be President if you guys dont f*ck it up) BROWNBACK would NOT APPROVE OF CENSURESHIP!!
Luci said
Religion loves short-cuts — particularly those which short-circuit rational thought. They encourage this by agitating emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending the rules of logic. As history shows, it can be quite successful.
Religious propaganda can be as blatant as judgment/insult or as subtle as a joke. Its persuasive techniques are regularly applied by pastors, preachers, evangelists, ministers, and others who are interested in influencing human behavior.
The name-calling technique links a person, or idea, to a negative symbol. The person who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative symbol, instead of looking at the available evidence. Thus by trying to influence people to see the A as negative, it only shows how frightening the truth behind the symbol is.
Regards
Luci
Brother McGregor said
Hello kemibe…I didn’t moderate you. All I did for you was offer some suggestions for the irritation of you unmentionable body part
Try not to assume Sister
YIC
Brother McGregor said
Luci this was our place to organise and promote Sam Broadback…
it is all of you that feel you have to try and crash the gates.
Be thankful our Christian sister Mrs Gaines Crockett, didn’t make this entire site a member only place.
It is the height of ill manners for you all to think we owe you something…
especially an unsaved woman
YIC
Frank said
To the anonymous “lady” above: So, then, you’re just a said little bigot. You apparently don’t believe that I should have the right to embrace rationality and good sense as much as you have the right to embrace superstition. To me, it’s really just sad that you and people like you waste so much time on your ignorance and superstition. We all go to the same place, ultimately, and the worms win, so why waste time on fairy stories when we could be living our lives the best we can?
As for your bigotry, didn’t Paul warn against attending to the speck in another’s eye while ignoring the beam in your own?
For the record, folks, I’ve read the Bible cover to cover at least five times and the NT more than that. It’s funny that the better I understood it, the less I could really believe it.
“Unchristian word deleted,” indeed. What word would _that_ be, I wonder?
Luci said
When I was still a Christian, I believed Jesus came for the sinners, the unsaved – not for the holier than thou people that I see on this website.
If there was a God, he would have cried tears of blood reading how you propagate hate.
Regards
Lu
Steve_C said
You forgot the orgies he has in his octopus shaped pool.
Evil evil man.
Frank said
“MacGregor,” when you condemn us solely because we do not share your belief, we have an interest in making our disagreement known, whether that be by commenting on the article in question or by making an “ignorantfoolsforbrown2008″ psrodt site.
You stepped on our toes and now you’re complaining because we didn’t just shut up and take it like good little atheists. All I can say to that is, get used to it.
Luci said
To the owners of this website:
Dishonesty should be discouraged on moral grounds ( let an atheist teach you about morality). You are blatantly dishonest in your attack on P.Z. Myers and his website.
Has anyone yet answered the question about how much, if any, income tax you pay?
Regards
Luci
Brother Yancy said
Miss Luci
Please help me. When I am reading your posts out loud to Mother should I pronounce your name as in LOOSE – EYE or LOOSE- EEE? Please advise.
Many thanks.
YIC
Brother Yancy
PS The Lord has told us in Leviticus 26:12
“I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people.”
Luci said
Quote:
Brother McGregor Says:
August 5th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
Luci this was our place to organise and promote Sam Broadback…
it is all of you that feel you have to try and crash the gates. /Quote
Why then attack P.Z Myers if you only wanted to, in your words “organise and promote Sam Broadback”? Does your organization (with a “z”) have to rely on name calling and lies to be successful?
Regards
Luci
Frank said
Okay, I give up. Is this, or is this not, a aatiriaal site?
I keep thinking “aatiriaal” but the problem is that there’s no “over the top” for fundies. So which is it? aatiee or insanity?
Luci said
Frank
I can come to no other conclusion that it must be aatiee.
This finally convinced me it’s just too precious to be true, (Although there were a few other tasteless gems as well):
quote: Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett Says:
August 5th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Amelia,
Don’t you dare talk back to Connie like that. Connie Mack has more class in one of her beautifully manicured pinkies than you can even dream of having. What you need to worry about is what you are going to do when the Lord comes back and leaves you behind. Will you still be clucking about like a yard chicken or will you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior? For the record, dear, Jesus can grant you access to Glory through His love and grace, but even He can’t make a lady out of you./quote
Lu
Brother McGregor said
Luci (did we determine the pronunciation yet?)
I haven’t attacked Pz Myers. Please show me where I have attacked this person
YIC
Brother Yancy said
Yes, Luci
My mother would appreciate it.
YIC
BY
La Mona said
Frank, I think it’s a mix. It’s hard for me to tell with some of them. (McGregor is fake…so is WhoDat…) It’s hard because I have a brother with blind ignorant views on some things…so I know that humans are capable of some of this thought……Sad, isn’t it?
Xtar said
“We have seen what righteous anger and forceful advocacy can achieve, and are working to insure that soon, very soon, every Christian will know their enemies by the badge they wear. Praise!”
Substituste the “Praise!” with “Heil!” and you’ll know why this concerns me.
It’s so like Christian fundies to see everyone that disagrees with them as their enemies… exactly the black-and-white vision described in that wretched little book of theirs.
I am disgusted by the holier-than-thou attitude of this article, and I find it hard to believe that anyone who has the indecency to personally attack someone for their opinions, could register for a single vote.
It’s easy to ignore the facts that PZ discusses on his blog, and to erupt in a fit of anger and hatred about his views, clouding the sometimes important topics that often come up on Pharyngula, so that none of your flock will start checking some facts and step out of line, which would of course result in a decrease in funds, and –horrors– a life a fraction less luxurious for good old Sam Brownback.
I’m usually not the one to lower myself to the level to which you lowered yourself, but I’ll make an exception, just for you.
You’re a vile, manipulative, hateful man. How can anyone who thinks of his fellow human beings (homosexuals, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered, handicapped people) in such a lowly manner, live with himself? How dare you assume that you are worth more than anyone else on this entire planet? Any God that’s read this article will be checking the record for the faulty equation that lead to Sam Brownback.
Maybe this site should be marked with a red swastika, so that reasonable people may know to surf on.
Paul Sunstone said
Frank, you should pray for the Lord to answer your question whether this is a satirical site or not. Pray now for guidance in your hour of need and the Lord who created you and who is the foundation of the universe shall not dessert you but shall show mercy on you all the days of your life.
La Mona said
Oh, of course…awaiting moderation….let’s rewrite then.
Frank, I think it’s a mix. It’s hard for me to tell with some of them. It’s hard because I have a brother with blind ignorant views on some things, so I know that humans are capable of some of this thought. Sad, isn’t it?
(See if that one works….)
Brother McGregor said
Granted there have been some who sound like they jumped off the deep end…and for the most part we who were quietly posting some of our thoughts were suddenly jumped by all sides and forced into dealing with “people” who’s sole intent has been to be disruptive.
I think all things considered since no one invited anyone here, we have been more than open to discussion.
To quote Shakespeare “Ah here’s the rub”
meaning you come to a Baptist site and then get annoyed because we are Baptists!
You accuse of us playing games like we are adolescents with nothing better to do. You mock our beliefs but no one here asked you all to hear them.
I find it absurd that people are coming in here and demanding answers and when we decide to answer you, then we are chatised and berated for it.
How do you allow for that?
If I came to your door of your house and I wanted to minister to you…I would ask if you had the time. I would ask if you were interested.
I would not shove myself past your threshold pounding on a Bible (Although I suspect it may be the only way to get some of you to shut up and listen up).
No…it is you and your ilk that come in to point fingers and make accusations and then continue to ask the same stupid questions over and over again.
Honestly
YIC
SPOILER said
We come to a Christian site and expect to meet Christians. I have yet to see much evidence of that here.
Jay Sus said
Satan is a Christian entity. Outside of your mythology, he is meaningless.
Agapetos Angel said
Godless freaks like PZ Myers with their vile beliefs are bent on taking over the world. For example PZ’s psychophants at Wikipedia have turned articles on Godly topics like Intelligent Design into atheistic indoctrination tools meant to mislead our children. Well intentioned and gentle souls who set out to correct this are summarily banned from Wikipedia, like Christopher Michael Langan and his wife, Larry Fafarman and myself. It’s a genuine conspiracy to undermine Christian basis of our land.
Blessed are the Faithful,
Agapetos Angel
kemibe said
SO am I suppose to think that the drunk lady saying Negroid this and Ch*nk that is a CHRISTIAN? Whoever said that reading the bible basically cures Christianity well I have to say is right on, I read it and realized it made no sense at all and wasnt even a good slasher movie (the film version) that is why the Christains who talk the loudest aboutBible are the surest to not have read it, they quote stuff that isn’t there! People dont build Arks that said for a month w/o falling apart with dinosaurs and apes and lepoards and all tha other shi*t (pardon my Fransay LOL) on board, why dont people realize the Jesus is a made up mad like Bigfoot and theAbominable Yeti, freakin dumb Christians yeh get saved my fat ass
Brother Yancy said
Kemibe
Please take a look at a previous post regarding Barack Hussein Obama for an explantion of the Curse of HAM
YIC
Brother Yancy
La Mona said
Kemibe, whether you believe in the faith that Jesus stands for or not, Jesus was a real person that lived in a real time period, and really died in that manner. …
La Mona said
And no, what you see here is not a great representation of “Christian.”
Ray said
Why do you *profanity deleted* that the red letter A is *profanity deleted*? It is Atheists who are *profanity deleted* that they are not going to be repressed by christians any longer.
Luci said
McGregor
You asked where you attacked P.Z Myers? In your first paragraph you wrote:
quote:
“Not only does Mr Myers believe in the fantasy of evilution, but every year he milks thousands and thousands of dollars out of the education system to indoctrinate children into his hateful cult. Like most liberal educators at America’s secular colleges, Myers lives a life of luxury at taxpayers’ expense—taking long vacations with his trophy wife, driving expensive foreign cars, dressing his children in exclusive fashions—all the while promoting his vengeful and deceitful ideology.”/quote
Evolution is a fact, not a fantasy. Fact. He is a science professor, not a layman. He is lawfully employed. He does not milk money (like religious leaders do), he gets paid for sharing his knowledge.
Vengeful and deceitful ideology? You are confusing religion with science here. Scientific facts are not an ideology.
Anyway, I think this whole site is a bad *unChristian words deleted*.
My bad, I fell for it. Must be because I don’t have beautifully manicured pinkies.
John Mruzik said
When I go to heaven, Praise Jesus, I will be happy that all the sinners and athiests will be frying in hell for al eternity.
Thank you Pastor, I get the message now.
Brother Yancy said
Luci
PLEASE
Unless you give me some idea of the pronunciation of your name and an explanation of any deviant derivations, I have a difficult time converying your ideas to Mother, to whom I read all of this aloud. (You see, there is no magnification device I have found that allows Mother to read a computer screen.) She keeps hollering, “No one in their right mind would name their child Loose Eye.”
I must go, Mother is calling for me upstairs.
YIC
Brother Yancy
"Brother" Rukbat said
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D Says:
>You accuse and persecute without explanation or an opportunity for your victims to defend themselves.
You’re a Christian. Since religious belief is a mental defect (don’t argue – it’s scientifically demonstrable, whether you “believe” in reality or not). you’re mentally defective. There’s nothing *TO* defend. There *IS* help for you, but you have to be sane enough to seek it, which you obviously aren’t.
How many good Christians have you bilked out of money they need for food today?
JustAsItSounds said
Wow! And I thought Americans didn’t *profanity deleted*.
This has got to be one of the *profanity deleted* sites I have seen on the Internet. Ever! The way you’ve managed to capture the *profanity deleted* *profanity deleted* of the *blessed* is really *profanity deleted*.
I do have to say though, that I think you’ve gone a little too far in your *profanity deleted*. They can’t ALL be lying, hypocrites and bigots, at least not to the extent that they are coming across in the comments. Still the internal inconsistencies in the *profanity deleted* character’s arguments are *profanity deleted*. I especially like the way that the fundie foils almost always sign off with a ‘YIC’ or use phrases like ‘BLESS YOU’ as *profanity deleted* the content of the post itself, where belies their true sentiment.
You should really think about *profanity deleted* or something *pastor*
– this is *profanity deleted*!
Yours, In *profanity deleted*
Just
Cousin Bronco said
I’m always amazed at how petty, small-minded and hypocritical “good, God fearing Christstians” can be. They seem to be the first to yell that they are being persecuted (when there is no evidence of it- I have never seen atheists or the gubment tearing down churches) but find no problem with persecuting and discriminating against anyone who doesn’t belive the way they do. The main point of the atheistic and scientific communities is don’t try to force-feed me the crap you willingly swallow. Do your thing and leave me the f*ck alone! Oh, that goes double for me!
Ebert said
This post and blog gets 5 thumbs down, via evolution of extra thumbs for the sole purpose of idealistic survival of humans against fundamentalist prat.
Uncle Vic said
>John Mruzik Says:
>August 5th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
“When I go to heaven, Praise Jesus, I will be happy that all the sinners and athiests will be frying in hell for al eternity.”
Thank you, John. You’ve just proven to the internet world that True Christians do indeed need a book and a big threat to keep them in line. Because without it, they have no morals.
My atheist level of human compassion will not allow me to just stand by and watch another human in pain. And the thought of another human’s suffering making another person happy is beyond my understanding.
Shame on you, John. If that is what heaven is about, I’m quite happy in the knowledge that will not be going there.
Angie said
Darn, my name begins with “A”. All this hate for an innocent little letter…
Having read both xtian/religious and atheist/secular sites I have come to the conclusion that godliness is closer to intolerance and hatred. I’d rather be human than xtian.
Brother McGregor said
that wasn’t me that wrote that Luci….I believe that was either Mrs Gaines Crockett or Pastor Tobin Maker.
Brother McGregor said
Kemibe…If you check the scriptures posted here…I am sure you will find them in a Bible
thanks
Brother McGregor said
Lynn Davis lesbians were mainly considered political prisoners because of their involvements with communism etc. They were forced to wear the black triangle.
Jezebel Blue "Devils Advocate" said
Some of you guys are missing it…T H I N K about it….just stop and think about this page, what’s the truth here, when all the laughing dies down from the sheer craziness of the articles… what are you left with? If you get that, you’ll be able to laugh…
Ray said
I wrote a post with no profanity in it. You plastered “profanity deleted” all through it. You are an evil person.
JustAsItSounds said
Ray, the same thing happened to me. There were no profanities in my post, unless you count: ‘do’, ‘*profanity deleted*‘, ‘*profanity deleted*’, ‘hypocrisy’, ‘cognitive dissonance’, ‘remarkable’, ‘baptist’, ‘fundamentalist’, ‘*profanity deleted*‘, ‘a career in *profanity deleted*‘, ‘*profanity deleted* gold’ and ‘appreciation’ as profane.
Although this is tantamount to putting words in my mouth I am flattered that my post deserved so much attention.
Pastor, I fully realise that it is more than likely you’ll pepper this post with *profanity deleted*’s too, but I would like to appeal to your better nature and ask you not to libel me by omission.
Brother McGregor said
Sorry I don’t have moderator abilities…it’s probably just as well
jesuspleaser said
here is a link where science supports religious theory
http://www.reasons.org/
we are not all stupid.
Luci said
Oh, the double standards!
Ray’s posts:
“And here is mine after they butchered it.
Quote:
# Ray Says:
August 5th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Why do you *profanity deleted* that the red letter A is *profanity deleted*? It is Atheists who are *profanity deleted* that they are not going to be repressed by christians any longer.
Profanity! What I actually wrote was:
Quote:
Why do you lie that the red letter A is your idea. It is Atheists who are using it to say that they are not going to be repressed by christians any longer.”
Have you NO shame? To twist a post of a man who would never use a profanity so it suits your small little sick minds.
How grateful I am that I RID of the christian YOKE.
And for your information: there are NO profanities in my post.
Luci
Mod. Note: Not true, Lucy. You are about as profane as they get.
Luci said
And pray tell, since when are the words: “A bad ***UNChristian Word Removed*** joke” unchristian words?
What are unchristian words?
And VIC – my name Luci is short for Lucifer – so you pronounce it just like your would pronounce LUCIfer.
Luci
Mod. Note: How apropos your name and the pronuctiation seeing as a you are a spawn of Satan.
godkillzyou said
God is nothing more than the Santa Claus for adults. The only reason anyone claims that evolution is not a FACT is because they refuse to read, or to learn. They’re stuck in their first-century, barbaric thought processes. You may claim that there is no proof of evolution, but that’s because you’ve already decided that you refuse to accept it, no matter what evidence may be put forth.
And that is nothing but narrow-mindedness. I don’t “believe in” evolution. I KNOW that all living things on this planet consist of DNA, and the only thing that makes a person different from a tree is how the molecules are arranged in their DNA. This is provable; demonstrable.
There is nothing that makes the Bible provable. In fact, if you haven’t read Thomas Paine’s “The Age Of Reason,” you are deceiving yourself that the Bible is factual in any way, shape, or form.
But then again, the very fact that people are still, today, having this argument is because facts are not stressed as much as faith. In fact, the more evidence there is against something, the more revered the faithful are perceived to be… to believe in something that has absolutely no basis in fact is something to be honored. In the religious realm, these are the “wise men.” People who believe in something because there is absolutely no reason to, other than because they “have faith.”
This is the sad part, that ignorance is something to strive for.
The only thing that bothers me more is the fact that the religious feel that it’s their DUTY to spread ignorance. To present their ideas and faith as FACT. Religion and beliefs don’t enter the world of FACTS. That’s why “Faith” is required. Because there’s no evidence to support the belief. I don’t have faith in gravity. I know it is true because it demonstrates itself. I don’t have faith in the multiplication table… 2×2 always equals 4. BUT… one would need to have faith that Jesus rose from the dead because there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support a wild claim like that. No one has EVER risen from the dead.
What is more believable? That the natural order of things was suspended, that one time a person long, long ago came back to life? Or… that a few people told a lie and many believed it?
Luci said
I am about to give up.
Please check the meaning of the unchristian word you removed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/aatiee
Luci said
you have no right to change my post …
here is the correct link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/aatiee
Aadithya Sugathan said
Pastor firstly I’d ask you to kindly read and respond to my earlier comments which seem to have gone unnoticed.
Secondly I just saw your ‘Hellbound’ section, and since the likes of Richard Dawkins are included for being Atheists, I was wondering whether on that basis I could be included?
For the info: I’m Atheist, believe in a woman’s right to choose, vigorously believe in the separation of church and state, and the right to freedom of religion. Also I think having a Scarlet Letter campaign smacks of idiocy, narrow-mindedness and anger at your own unimportance. Ooh also I believe homosexuals should be allowed to marry. (I’m a through-and-through vengeful atheist deserving of your righteous anger)
Aadithya Sugathan (My full name for the Hellbound list)
Thanking you,
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Brother McGregor said
Scientists who believed in Jesus
Johannes Kepler [1571-1630]
Astronomy/Laws of Planetary Motion
“I had the intention of becoming a theologian…but now I see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy, for ‘the heavens declare the glory of God.’”
“I am a Christian…I believe… only and alone in the service of Jesus Christ…In Him is all refuge, all solace.”
“Let my name perish if only the name of God the Father is thereby elevated.”
“[God] is the kind Creator who brought forth nature out of nothing.”
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Blaise Pascal [1623-1662]
Scientist noted for work in physics, hydrostatics, vacuums; inventor of mechanical calculator
“Jesus Christ, I have separated myself from Him:
I have fled from Him, denied Him, crucified Him.
Let me never be separated from Him.
We keep hold of Him only by the ways taught in the Gospel.
Renunciation, total and sweet.
Total submission to Jesus Christ…”
{from a manuscript dated Monday November 23, 1654 and found in his own handwriting in his coat at his death}
“Knowing God without knowing our own wretchedness engenders pride. Knowing our own wretchedness without knowing God engenders despair.” [Pascal - Pensees no 527]
*Also famous for “Pascal’s Wager”–a powerful defense of the Christian faith
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Robert Boyle [1627-1691]
Founder of Modern Chemistry/Gas Dynamics
Governor of Missionary organization for propagating the gospel in New England
Personally financed the translation of the Bible into Irish, Turkish, and Arabic
Author of “The Christian Virtuoso” reflecting on the study of nature for Christians
Author of Christian devotional book, “Occasional Reflections”
His will after his death financed the “Boyle Lectures” which were lectures in defense of Christianity
“From a knowledge of His work, we shall know Him”
“Christ’s passion, His death, His resurrection and ascension, and all of those wonderful works which He did during His stay upon earth, in order to confirm mankind in the belief of His being God as well as man.”
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Sir Isaac Newton [1642-1727]
Mathematician, Physicist
Inventor of calculus
Law of universal gravitation
Newton’s three laws of motion:
1) Law of inertia 2) Force=mass*acceleration 3) Principle of action and reaction
Published “Newton’s Prophecies of Daniel”
after his study and translation of the Book of Daniel [in the Bible]
“About the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the Prophecies, and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition.”
“There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible than in any profane history.”
” This thing [a scale model of our solar system] is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you, as an atheist, profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?”
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Sir William Herschel [1738-1822]
Astronomist. Discovered Uranus, several nebulae, and binary stars.
First to accurately describe the Milky Way Galaxy
“All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more and more
the Truths contained in the Sacred Scriptures.”
“The undevout astronomer must be mad.”
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Samuel Morse [1791-1872]
Inventor of the telegraph [Morse's sketch of the railway telegraph above]
“Education without religion is in danger of substituting wild theories for the simple commonsense rules of Christianity.”
First message sent by the electric telegraph:
“What hath God wrought”
{This is found in the Bible; Numbers 23:23}
{The message was sent from the Supreme Court Room in the Capitol to the railway depot at Baltimore; May 24, 1844}
{In one letter, Samuel Morse wrote “What hath GOD wrought” by capitalizing and underlining “GOD” twice!}
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Michael Faraday [1791-1867]
Inventor of the electric generator and the transformer
Discovered Benzene–used to make plastics, nylon and dyes
Produced the first test tubes
Described Field Theory
*Hailed by Albert Einstein as the foundation for his own scientific discoveries*
Elder in his church for over 20 years
“Speculations? I have none. I am resting on certainties. ‘I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day.’”
“A Christian finds his guide in the Word of God, and commits the keeping of his soul into the hands of God. He looks for no assurance beyond what the Word can give him, and if his mind is troubled by the cares and fears which assail him, he can go nowhere but in prayer to the throne of
grace and to Scripture.”
“Since peace is alone in the gift of God; and as it is He who gives it, why should we be afraid? His unspeakable gift in His beloved Son is the ground of no doubtful hope.” –[1861 letter]
“The Bible, and it alone, with nothing added to it nor taken away from it by man, is the sole and sufficient guide for each individual, at all times and in all circumstances…For faith in the divinity and work of Christ is the gift of God, and the evidence of this faith is obedience to the commandment of Christ.”
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Matthew Maury [1806-1873]
The “Father” of oceanography
Aided in the laying of the first trans-Atlantic cable
Maury believed Psalm 8:8, which speaks of the “paths of the seas” , and he discovered “oceanic currents”
Maury described atmospheric circulation and showed that it was already described in Ecclesiastes 1:6
Maury showed Job 28:25 to be true with respect to the weight of the winds.
“The Bible is true and science is true, and therefore each, if truly read, but proves the truth of the other.”
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James Prescott Joule [1818-1889]
Described the First Law of Thermodynamics: The Law of Conservation of Energy
[American Biochemist Isaac Asimov said that the First Law of Thermodynamics is
"one of the most important generalizations in the history of science"]
Kinetic Theory of Gases
“Joule-Thomson” effect–the basis of refrigeration
A unit of energy [work] in physics is now called a “joule”
“It is evident that an acquaintance with natural laws means no less than
an acquaintance with the mind of God therein expressed.”
“Order is manifestly maintained in the universe…governed by the sovereign will of God”
“After the knowledge of, and obedience to, the will of God, the next aim must be to know something of His attributes of wisdom, power, and goodness as evidenced by His handiwork.”
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James Clerk Maxwell [1831-1879]
Statistical Thermodynamics, Field equations of electricity, magnetism, light
” No theory of evolution can be formed to account for the similarity of molecules,
for evolution necessarily implies continuous change.”
“Almighty God, Who has created man in Thine own image, and made him a living soul that he might seek after Thee,
and have dominion over Thy creatures, teach us to study the works of Thy hands, that we may subdue the earth to our use, and strengthen the reason for Thy service; so to receive Thy blessed Word, that we may believe on Him Who Thou has sent, to give us the knowledge of salvation and the remission of our sins. All of which we ask in the name of the same Jesus Christ, our Lord.” {prayer written by Maxwell and found amongst his notes}
Maxwell was an elder in the church he helped establish near his home.
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Louis Pasteur [1822-1895]
Father of Microbiology, developed “pasteurization”
“The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator.”
“Science brings men nearer to God.”
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Jean-Henri Fabre [1823-1915]
Entomology, Biology
Author of 8-volume series “Souvenirs Entomologiques”
detailing the behavior and life history of many species
“Without Him, I understand nothing; without Him, all is darkness…Every period has its manias.
I regard Atheism as a mania. It is the malady of the age.
You could take my skin from me more easily than my faith in God.”
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Sir Joseph Lister [1827-1912]
Father of antiseptic surgery, first to wire fractures, developed dissolving sutures
“I am a believer in the fundamental doctrines of Christianity”
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Lord Kelvin [William Thomson] [1824-1907]
Physicist, Laws of Thermodynamics, Absolute temperature scale, inventor
“With regard to the origin of life, science…positively affirms creative power.”
“Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and benevolent design lie around us…
the atheistic idea is so non-sensical that I cannot put it into words.”
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George Washington Carver [c. 1864-1943]
agricultural chemist, inventor of over 300 products
“Without my Savior, I am nothing.”
“I love to think of nature as an unlimited broadcasting station,
through which God speaks to us every hour, if we will only tune in.”
“God is going to reveal to us things he never revealed before if we put our hands in his. No books ever go into my laboratory, a thing I am to do and the way of doing it are revealed me.”
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Wernher Von Braun [1912-1977]; first Director of NASA, pioneer of space exploration
“Scientific concepts exist only in the minds of men.
Behind these concepts lies the reality which is being revealed to us, but only by the grace of God.”
Luci said
Some Bible verses that are unchristian:
Numbers 31:18
But all the women-children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Dinner, anyone?
2 Kings 6:28-29
This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him.
Lot and his two daughters:
After their mother was turned into a pillar of salt, they lived with their father in a cave up a mountain. Starved of male company, they decided to make their father drunk and copulate with him. Lot was beyond noticing when his elder daughter arrived in his bed or when she left, but he was not too drunk to impregnate her. The next night the two daughters agreed it was the younger one’s turn. Again Lot was too drunk to notice, and he impregnated her too (Genesis 19: 31-6).
"Brother" Rukbat said
jesuspleaser Says:
>here is a link where science supports religious theory
1) There’s no religious theory. Christianity claims objective existence4 for God. That’s an assertion, not theory.
2) The site is the same tired old “I don’t understand it, so God must have done it” nonsense. Argumentum ad Ignorantium isn’t support, it’s fallacy.
Luci said
You guys are GOOD!
I have to congratulate you. *blush*
I looked on PZ’s site and noticed they were way ahead of me:
“I got suckered in to thinking it was real and left a comment. It was only then that I “used the Goggle” for Tobin and found this- “Billy Bob Neck – Guest Pastor &
Assistant Editor for ShelleyTheRepublican.” C’mon- Billy Bob (red) Neck. And the Shelley connection is pure aatiee. Whoever “Pastor Tobin” is, he has too much time on his hands (and a “devilish” sense of humor!)”
Does Brownback know?
"Brother" Rukbat said
Brother McGregor Says:
>Scientists who believed in Jesus
Scientists who don’t believe in God, Jesus or any of that nonsenxe:
Albert Einstein
Steven Hawking.
Do try to elevate yourself to at least the mid-20th century.
(BTW, appeal to authority is another logical fallacy many Christians fall back on for lack of actual evidence to back up Christian assertions.)
Brother McGregor said
Rubak
if i may (The last line suggests he did believe in God, he just did not want to call God, God…We are okay with Creator too)
Einstein’s God
Einstein’s “superior reasoning power,” however, was not the God of the Bible. Though he confessed to the rabbis and priests who came to congratulate him on his discovery of God that he was convinced God brought the universe into existence and was intelligent and creative, he denied that God was personal.
Of course, those clergy had a stock response to Einstein’s denial. How can a Being who is intelligent and creative not also be personal? Einstein brushed past their objections, a valid one, by raising the paradox of God’s omnipotence and man’s responsibility for his choices:
“If this being is omnipotent then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?”
None of the clergy Einstein encountered ever gave him a satisfactory answer to his objection. Typically, they responded by saying that God has not yet revealed the answer. They encouraged him to endure patiently and blindly trust the All-Knowing One.
Regrettably, Einstein lacked the persistence to purse an answer further. He took for granted the biblical knowledge of these religious professionals and assumed that the Bible failed to adequately address this crucially important issue. Of what value, then, could such a “revelation” be?
Lacking a solution to the paradox of God’s predestination and human beings free choice, Einstein, like many other powerful intellects through the centuries, ruled out the existence of a personal God. Nevertheless, and to his credit, Einstein held unswervingly, against enormous peer pressure, to a belief in a Creator.
source: http://mypage.direct.ca/g/gcramer/relativity.html
Hawkins was raised by communist parents so it is quite likely that had a lot to do with his disbelief in any Deity.
The fact remains though…this doesn’t mean God does not exist.
JustAsItASounds said
Brother Mc,
Apart from Von Braun, your list of eminent scientist believers includes no-one born in the last century.
Does this mean that there are no eminent scientists of this day and age? Or is it a little harder to cherry pick religious poster boys now that apostasy is no longer considered a capital crime or at least in these enlightened times it is harder for the pious to persecute doubters so freely?
Did you know that Newton was a secret heretic who denied the godhead of Christ as well as a practitioner of ‘Magick’ and alchemy?
I’m not in the habit of putting words into the mouths of dead men, but I have little doubt that if Herschel, Kepler, Faraday, Kelvin et al had access to the data and knowledge (that they helped build) that we do now I would bet you a stack of bibles that none would believe in a literal interpretation of scripture, as you suggest in the tailings from your quote mine.
Also, I wonder why my second post did not have the same words (and entire phrases) deleted as the first – especially as you claim you have no moderation rights?
Brother McGregor said
No doubt Luci
There is a lot of violence and apparently “UnChristian Acts” in the Bible. The end time will also be considered mighty harsh by those who have not being paying attention.
You will get no argument from me about the way things were back then or the way things are going to be.
Brother McGregor said
I do not have mod rights. My name is done in a black font. Only a blue font can moderate you. If I were moderating you I would certainly “fess up” if asked.
SPOILER said
It also doesn’t mean that God does exist. You believe that he does, others believe that he doesn’t. For the life of me, I don’t know if there’s ever a better time to “agree to disagree.” Imagine all the wars that would not have been fought if only that had happened.
For the record, I do believe in God., just not your hateful, ignorant, hypocritical version.
Brother McGregor said
Nope…it is not my fault if a lot of modern scientists do not want to be considered Christian. No doubt they would be scorned by their peers. Now if we are to considered medical doctors as practitioners of certain kinds of science…then I know a lot of medical doctors who believe in the Almighty. This incidentally would include Psychiatrists.
I think medicine is a science
Brother McGregor said
So if you don’t agree with us why do you persist in hanging around here? Your inane trolling isn’t going to suddenly change my mind. I certainly don’t feel you are going to change yours.
you’re not here to try and learn…you’re here to fight. Not going to happen.
The only reason any of you is here is because you don’t feel we have the right to feel as we do.
We are not over in the gay.com chat rooms. We are not in the abortion forums. We could be. We could go in there and raise a little noise.
Mostly I think that would defeat the purpose…people when attacked for what they believe in get their backs up.
I tell you like I see it and maybe you think ‘well maybe he has a point’ or maybe you think..’ah the guy’s barmy’
You know the more things change…well the more they stay the same.
SPOILER said
Brother McGregor,
It seems to me you did suddenly change your mind last week. If I remember correctly (and I might not), you came here in defense of your kilt, saying many of the same things that “we” are saying now. Then, all of a sudden, you “converted” and began preaching the same hate-filled vitriol that the members of this site have been propagating since the beginning.
The reason that we are here is because it’s wrong not to argue against people who believe that cursing people to hell for disagreeing with them is the right thing to do. A lot of the things that are said here are allegedly said in God’s name, and I think that it’s important for anyone who hears about this site through the media to come here and know that clearly, not everyone agrees with you. I’m not attacking you for what you believe in; I may pity you for your closemindedness and feel sorry for children who are brought up in that kind of atmosphere, but mostly, I want anyone who comes here to know that THIS ISN’T A TRUE CHRISTIAN SITE.
Jesus = God
God = Love
Therefore,
JESUS = LOVE
“Love thy neighbor as thyself.” “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
interpreted said
Personally, I believe McGregor to be parodci.
Also, you might find John 1:1, 1 John 4:16-18, and Mark 12:31 handy in your quest to persuade them.
interpreted said
We are not over in the gay.com chat rooms. We are not in the abortion forums. We could be. We could go in there and raise a little noise.
I’m not in either, but if you would come and ‘raise a little noise’ over at rationalwiki.com (follow the link in my username), we would be very glad.
SPOILER said
And once again, when faced with someone making a valid, reasonable point that is contrary to what he said, McGregor is nowhere to be found.
Gee, you really are like Crockett now, aren’t you?
Luci said
I do believe this whole site is a psrodt.
For instance, Connie Mack with the perfect manicured pinkys is a ***UNChristian Word Removed***:
***UNChristian Word Removed***
Pastor Tobin Maker knows about the FSM, as his name is pronounced as Pasta maker
‘Pastor Tobin Maker’ is an ***UNChristian Word Removed***of ***UNChristian Word Removed***. Coincidence?
Brownback is slang for anal ***UNChristian Word Removed*** – so the joke is on Brownback (no pun intended) Hence the Bronco person posting
“Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett” is the main contributor for Baptists for Brownback. She routinely refers to the United States of America as the “United States of God”[1], and has been known to advocate the mass murder of all who disagree with her.
(The love of God in action lol)
You are ***UNChristian Word Removed***
Luci
Luci said
Not to mention this comment on Pharyngula:
I got ***UnChristian Word Removed*** in to thinking it was real and left a comment. It was only then that I “used the ***UnChristian Word Removed*** ” for Tobin and found this- “Billy Bob Neck – Guest Pastor &
Assistant Editor for ShelleyTheRepublican.” C’mon- Billy Bob (red) Neck. And the Shelley connection is ***UnChristian Word Removed*** . Whoever “Pastor Tobin” is, he has too much time on his hands (and a “devilish” ***UnChristian Word Removed*** !)
Great fun, thanks.
Oh, yeah, fun is an unchristian word as well, just like anal ***UnChristian Word Removed***
Baptists For Brownback Comment-Moderator, Grace said
Luci and all Atheists:
This will serve as your Official Warning for violating the TOS Section 3 and 6: Abuse of Baptists For Brownback Members established for this website. Your second warning will result in a 3 (three) day suspension of your posting privileges. Any subsequent offence will result in your immediate and permanent prohibition. Kindly keep this in mind as you construct your comments and think long and hard before you hit the Reply button.
Aadithya Sugathan said
There’s a reply button? I only saw ’submit comment’
interpreted said
Baptist Moonraker?
Was that it?
SPOILER said
Grace,
I don’t consider myself an atheist in any way, but have been called that by people here, mostly because I question their warped view of God.
Am I also warned?
interpreted said
Ssh! I was hoping to exploit that loophole later!
Luci said
I found this under your “Legal Statement”:
Many antogonists on the political Left would like to call it political satire so perhaps everything posted here should be understood in that context.
Moderator Comment: And that makes you Sherlock Holmes? Mrs. GC is writing a book and that has to be there as per the lawyer. Stupid people who come here making false accusations are giving permission to have their idiocy exposed in a book.
SPOILER said
Sorry, dude.
Lynelle Bryant - USE Ministry Leader said
Spoiler, you are just a pest. That fact was established yesterday. But Interpreted, I thought you were better than to fall in with degenerates like that. I am very disappointed in you.
God Bless! ;-(
Lynelle
interpreted said
Nah, don’t worry. Officially, we aren’t warned (although every single atheist in the world is), and the ability to just re-register on proxies means that the whole thing’s immaterial anyway.
interpreted said
‘degenerates’ – not very expressive of ‘love the sinner and hate the sin’ is it?
Also, your disapproval fills me with shame and depression.
Lynelle Bryant - USE Ministry Leader said
Interpreted, people can re-register all they like but the fact is that we now have a computer tech who has created us a cross referenced database of every IP address and every comment ever posted. It won’t really matter once we have moved over to the new domain because what you call sock puppets and proxy generators are also on a list which is updated 24-7. Mrs. GC has the means to do basically whatever she wants to keep the trash out.
God Bless!
Lynelle
interpreted said
Does that mean the game is on?
Luci said
And Christ died for this? To keep the “trash” out?
he would cry tears of blood
Luci
Lynelle Bryant - USE Ministry Leader said
There isn’t any game. It is a matter of Free Speech and being able to control the content of the site. Hacking might be a game to you but to the IPs security is a serious matter. If someone isn’t happy here they can just leave. We are well aware of who is who around here
So any of your little friends who are playing games aren’t as smart as they think they are. Just keep it civil and everything is A-OK!
God Bless!
Lynelle
Paul Hands said
What a load of drivel. We chose the red letter, not you christian idiots. Further, we’re proud of it.
It’s a symbol of willingness to entertain ideas and theories which can be tested and modified, as opposed to rigid dogma spouted by thought-free “pastors” quoting from a so-called “holy” book which is best used as toilet paper.
A : for atheist, adaptable, alterable, appropriate, advantageous.
Here’s what you get if you search on Dogmatic…
arbitrary, arrogant, assertive, bigoted, bullheaded*, categorical, cocksure*, confident, definite, despotic, determined, dictative, doctrinaire, domineering, downright, egotistical, emphatic, fanatical, fascistic, formal, iceman, imperious, intolerant, magisterial, narrow-minded, obdurate, obstinate, one-sided, oracular, overbearing, peremptory, pigheaded*, prejudiced, red neck, stiff-necked, stubborn, stupid, tenacious, tyrannical, unequivocal, wrong-headed
Being a christian is a waste of breath. There is no god, jesus was a myth, the church is a giant joke.
You can be perfectly moral without being a cretin.
Lynelle Bryant - USE Ministry Leader said
Mr. Paul, with all the respect due a rude person such as yourself, you are an blame fool if you think you can storm into a chrisitan site calling out ugly names. One more outburst out of you and you’ll be put in time-out.
God Bless!
Lynelle
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
Paul Hands should keep his hands above the covers at night if he wants to get with Jesus.
In Christ’s Name.
Oh, and Lynelle, Lulu-Jean asked me to thank you for the stain removal tip. The rug in my den is now spotless. Suffice to say none of the help will be allowed in there again.
SPOILER said
And now I’ve been put in my place, apparently.
Luci said
Lynette
If it is a matter of free speech, there should be no moderation then.
Otherwise it would not be free speech, don’t you agree?
Or is it free speech for you, moderation for the rest? I saw some really abhorant articles here about perfectly good people – smutty, if you like; written by the owners of this site.
Luci
SPOILER said
I’m all for free speech (with a spam filter for convenience). Of course, that takes the challenge out of avoiding words that send posts to be moderated.
Lynelle Bryant - USE Ministry Leader said
Grow up Luci. If we sent 10 people over to your atheist forum and started witnessing you would ban us so quick. But it is OK for you raise a ruckus here? Respect goes two ways honey and so far you haven’t earned a speck of it.
liberalpercy said
Thank you to “Pastor” Tobin Maker for making it clear that bearing false witness is OK if it is done in the name of Savior Brownback for President. Would you be so kind as to send me a copy of your version of God’s Commandments since my Bible doesn’t have any such fine print.
And in the spirit of the Golden Rule, (doing unto him as he has done unto PZ Meyers), I assume that Pastor Maker, like many holier-than-thou “preachers” who claim to know God’s will better than God himself, imbibes in prodigious quantities of communion wine, partakes of pleasures of the flesh with many of his parishoners (possibly of the same sex), and is enriching himself from the collection plate so much he’ll need a needle the size of Mount Everest to make it into Heaven.
I can make all those unfounded accusations even though I have no knowledge of Pastor Maker’s personal life, just as Pastor Maker has no knowledge of PZ Meyer’s personal life.
When did Christianity change from “love thy neighbor” to “hate and lie about thy neighbor”?
When did Christianity change from “love thy neighbor” to “hate and lie about thy neighbor”?
When Liberals like yourself, the ACLU, and atheists who hate our right to worship openly try and steal our constitutional rights from us. No one forces you to worship but you blame sure want to take away my right to do it. The only hate and lies I see is coming from your side of the fence. Why don’t you just go back to where you belong and leave us alone.
Luci said
Lynette
So far I have to experienced any christian love on this forum. Not towards me, I don’t expect it – but towards anyone that you discuss or smear with smut in any of your articles.
Your whole site is full of lies and degrading articles, vile words, smut – and you want RESPECT??
Grow up you say – look in the mirror.
Lucu
Lazarus said
The terms Free Speech and content control should not even be in the same sentence Lynelle. The very idea of content control is to limit peoples ability of Free Speech. In essence you are saying that the only people allowed to have Free Speech, are the ones who agree with you. Oh well can only do so much when you are trying to talk to thick headed mules.
Lazarus, meet time-out.
Lynelle Bryant - USE Ministry Leader said
Lazarus, you children need to find a new place to play today.
SPOILER said
Lynelle,
I don’t think anyone is trying to block your right to worship – we merely wonder which God, exactly, it is that you worship while you spend your days spewing hate towards anyone who questions you.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again:
GOD IS LOVE.
Lazarus said
Child? I am twenty-one. With all your baseless drivel, you are closer to being a child than me.
La Mona said
Moderator, you only see “lies” on the “other side of the fence” because you’re too blind to see yourself. *shrugs*
WVJ said
Um…is this aatiee or serious? If the former, bravo for a job well done. If the latter, please join the human community. Its nice here and we like to learn about stuff. If you’d rather not join us human beings, then perhaps your site needs a red “BS”.
Connie Mack said
I believe Lynelle nailed it. 21 years old with the mind and attitude of someone 10. Maybe this is just a tad out of your league, Lazarus. I hear that Disney has forums for the younger set.
Brother Yancy said
LUCI- fer
Thank you. It shows Mother was right. No one would name their child Loose Eye. A Disciple of the Deceiver would however quite naturally honor their master with such a tribute, although I must say it would be a greater honor had it been a male child.
YIC
Brother Yancy
Willey said
This is a joke, right? “you might as well speak muslim”. Nobody, and i mean nobody, can be that completely stupid.
Brother McGregor said
Hello Spoiler
I did have to sleep and it was approaching 5am in the morning and Some of us have to work you know and doing my best to answer the onslaught proved weary and I think I did a good job all the same (if i may be permitted that small vanity).
If you read my earlier posts in here…I was a little incredulous but you will also note that I kept my banter light and friendly. Go back and read them, I can wait. I wasn’t as into proving these people wrong like you and others are. I also had a healthy respect for religion and as some of my posts will attest- a fairly decent understand of organised religion and history.
The problem is though, none of you read. You look over the top blog and then like raving lunatics post your posts…often the exact duplicate of what a hundred people have already said.
I do invite you back to read my original posts…you will see that I was never antagonistic.
And at 5am in the morning when I have to work…you can just bet your bippy I am not going to wait on you all to put your silly arguments down in a post.
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Big E said
whew….
it will sound a bit cliche, but after reading what’s on this site
the only thing that comes to mind is:
you folks are Nuts!
I am so very glad that none of your looney
“christian” candidates has a ‘prayer’ of winning
the presidential election.
G.W. Bush is a perfect example of the
many tragic policies that can go
badly when religion and politics are mixed.
sp0iler said
McG,
I question what people write here – that doesn’t make me a “raving lunatic.” If we do wind up repeating the same questions, it’s because they don’t get answered, because there really is no logical, or even biblical, explanation for many of the things that you seem to think and say. The God of the Old Testament seems to behave differently than the God of the New Testament. As Christians, we should be believing that the New Testament is the True Message, and as such, should be followed. Jesus’ Word was LOVE. Not “an eye for an eye,” but “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” The Bible is full of symbolism, and it was written by MEN, and that needs to be understood. When it is taken literally, it can be the most dangerous book in the world.
Also, it appears that we do not live in the same time zone, so I was unaware of the time constraints you were facing. If that is so, then I apologize for making a point of calling you out. Won’t happen again.
fireant451 said
The ignorance of the sheeple here makes my brain hurt.
Muslim is a language!!!!1111! bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Brother McGregor said
Spoiler I answer everything i see directed at me…When i am uncertain of the answer i do ask. Unfortunately we are not as organised as we might appear to be. I don’t know for example how many of us use skype or yahoo.
Trying to call attention to a post is hard when it is buried nine feet deep the next day.
I wished this had been a forum for it would have been much easier in many respects. (the ability to private message-to answer a question)
Yes you have the right to ask a question and those questioned have the right to be heard
Would you not agree?
The answer may not be to your liking (and this is a valid point)-if you want respect or the right to ask a question then you have to concede right and respect to the person that responds. If all you plan on doing is ask a question and then mirthfully laugh at the response…well only an idiot continues that for S***Z and giggles and after a while you get ignored.
Since living in Aberdeen and Glasgow and a product of the gangs that roam that area I am a little unfortunately rough around the edges from time to time.
Apology accepted.
Brother McGregor said
fireant and your ability to attach one post to a whole group is admirable.
Well Done…. boy genius
Crikey
liberalpercy said
You said “When Liberals like yourself, the ACLU, and atheists who hate our right to worship openly try and steal our constitutional rights from us. No one forces you to worship but you blame sure want to take away my right to do it.”
No one from the ACLU, etc. has ever tried to stop any Church or Synagogue or Mosque from holding services in their place of worship. In general, what we object to is religious biggots who try to turn our non-religious governmental agencies, like schools, like courthouses, like parks, which are supposed to be places for EVERYONE, into religious shrines to your one “true” religion. (Which version of Baptist is the ‘true’ one? A simple Google search finds over 100 denominations.)
That’s the kind of dogma our founding fathers escaped by leaving Europe. That’s why they ensrined the separation of Church and State in the First Amendment. Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM state-sponsored religion. Most of our founding fathers were religious men, but they specifically and intentionally avoided defining a state church so that all beliefs – including non-belief – could be freely exercised.
You also said: “The only hate and lies I see is coming from your side of the fence. Why don’t you just go back to where you belong and leave us alone. ”
I didn’t start this by spreading hateful lies about PZ Meyers – you did.
And where is it that I “belong”? I will be happy to “leave you alone” if you stop trying to enforce your “we are a Christian Nation” theocracy on me and everyone else.
Just as your freedom to swing your arm stops at my nose, your freedom to preach stops at my door. And my door (and yours) includes the public schools our childern attend, the public parks where our grandchildren play, and the courthouses where you and I pay our taxes and stand before justice. Nobody is stopping you or your followers from praying (quietly, as Jesus says), but we do draw the line at turning this free nation into a theocracy controlled by such narrow-minded people as “Pastor” Maker.
Brother McGregor said
LiberalPercy did you have a blog or forum that we invaded? If so you have my apologies.
Big E said
re: “I first suggested atheists and their products be clearly identified by a scarlet letter “A”
why stop there, … take out a few eyes, brand the sinners on the forehead with that special ‘A’ for all to see….
re: “all the while promoting his vengeful and deceitful ideology.”
really? hmmm… how about:
Jim & Tammy Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Roberts,
Rev. Ted Haggard, multitudes of pedophile priests, etc
sp0iler said
E – If you had read the first couple of dozen posts, we’ve already made that argument.
There is no one here who wants to agree with that, so we’ve moved on.
liberalpercy said
Brother. You did not invade my space, but Pastor Maker did use this space, in the name of a Presidential candidate, to attack a friend of mine. And he did it in the greater blogosphere, which is the electronic equivalent to standing up on a street corner to make his attacks.
Hateful, ignorant lies about Dr. Meyers and his family, made by someone who is supposedly a believer in Christ, reflect badly on both Sen. Brownback and the liar who writes them.
The Bible I was raised by said to obey the Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments, among other things. It is particularly important that someone preaching the Bible, live by these most basic lessons of the Bible, or their hypocritical words become daggers in their own hearts.
Thinking Ape said
Is this a *profanity deleted* site? This site does more for the cause of atheism or “anti-Christianism” than any atheist site I know. Keep it up.
interpreted said
They will try to censor your post (try typing *profanity deleted* without the underscores) but the concensus is that at least some of them are, but not all of them.
liberalpercy said
Thinking Ape,
I only wonder if “Pastor Maker” is a riff on the “Alvin Maker” books by Orson Scott Card. Although the Alvin Maker books were a mystical/fantasy historical fictionalization derived from the Book of Mormon. (Golden Plow, etc.)
Nah – That’s would require Pastor Maker be open to reading something other than the Bible. And it’s obvious that isn’t going to happen.
BJ Tabor said
The Bible I was raised by said to obey the Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments, among other things. It is particularly important that someone preaching the Bible, live by these most basic lessons of the Bible, or their hypocritical words become daggers in their own hearts.
Liberalpercy,
You are wrong on several points. You will find no “Golden Rule” in The Bible. I see a lot of you sinners going about “love thy neighbor” from Mark 22:39; Jesus is quoting in Leviticus 19:18 that makes it very clear that “neighbor” is your’ fellow co-religionists. Basically we Christians are under no obligation to love you atheists. I have idea were you get your basic Bible lesson from, the one I get is mankind is utterly evil and will be destroyed if we don’t obey God.
sp0iler said
Man was created in the image and likeness of God. that is the one lesson from elementary school that has stuck with me. Also, God loves us and doesn’t want to see us destroyed. Believing in Him, in any form, and following His word when it comes to loving your neighbor, is about all we can do in this life. Jesus was also telling His followers to love the Romans. He forgave them for taking His life, which means that His love extends to everyone.
How people can pervert a message of pure love is beyond me.
sp0iler said
And again,
Tobin is afraid to respond. Seriously, if you truly believe what you’re posting, you shouldn’t be afraid to back it up.
liberalpercy said
BJ – your rather narrow interpretation of what is euphemistically called the Golden Rule turns most of Christ’s teachings into closed-door rules. Does that apply to “turn the other cheek” as well?
Ah well, never argue with a cultist. They’re much like the Ministry of Truth in 1984. The “Truth” is whatever you need it to be at the moment.
sp0iler said
Percy,
I believe “truthiness” is the concept to which you are referring…
liberalpercy said
BJ – one more. Does that mean you also only have to tell the truth to other Christians? It’s OK to lie to everyone else?
Wait – that can’t be true. The Ten Commandments came before Christ. So it must be only Jews who have to tell the truth to other Jews. Right?
See how silly such arguments become when you try to justify your own hippocrisy by the very human interpretation of what is supposed to be God’s word.
Big E said
re: BJ Tabor
“Basically we Christians are under no obligation to love you atheists”
A refreshing moment of candor.
This brings up the point of how varied analysis of scripture and it’s meaning can be depending on one’s particular denomination and beliefs.
In a quick perusal of some Bible study sites on Christian values I found the following
description which seems to describe the opposite of what BJ Tabor says:”In His Parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus made the point that we should extend our Christian love to all people of the world, regardless of race, religion, nationality or any other artificial distinction. We must practice that Christian love even toward our enemies!” (Matthew 5:43-48)
Now of course, one can argue the semantics of of BJ’s use of “obligation”, but the passage does seem to differ with his view. Of course, someone can offer another analysis of the meaning. {which again would make the point}
[BTW: this was found on http://www.twopaths.com/faq_ChristianValues.htm
Another quote says:
“We often think of morality in terms of sexual sins, but according to Jesus, sins such as slander, greed, deceit, and arrogance are equally immoral.”
Without trying to generalize too much, slander, greed, deceit, and arrogance aptly describe the vast majority of public figures I see and hear who claim religious superiority.
To see how far gone some advocates of Baptism in particular can go, one needs only
to go over to Westboro Baptist Church online: http://www.godhatesfags.com and examine the website. Is Westboro part of mainstream Baptists, maybe, maybe not, but, all religious views are held and justified by the ‘faithful’.
Most religions and political doctrine say that their specific belief is the ‘one true’ belief.
This kind of ‘blind faith’ has, in today’s world and also throughout history has led to some of some of the most terrible periods of mayhem, torture and death.
Give me an educated, clear thinking populace, and I’ll take my chances.
If a person wants to add religion to their life, that’s up to them but
don’t try and regulate my life with your religious dogma.
Scarlet letter ‘A’s and blind faith are not for me.
interpreted said
The person above says it all – Good Samaritan, ‘who is my neighbour’, αγάπη, all of those teachings tell us that we should extend compassion to everybody.
luci said
Is it only me, or does anyone else find it bizarre that someone with the initials BJ supports a USE ministry?
*roll eyes*
Luci
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
A prayer for those who persecute us:
We beseech thee, Master, to be our helper and protector.
Save the afflicted among us; have no mercy on the lowly;
raise up the fallen; appear to the needy; smite the ungodly;
restore the wanderers of thy people;
feed the righteous; starve our persecutors;
raise up the sick; comfort the faint-hearted.
Amen.
Luci said
I am smitten.
Or is it smote? Smut?
Lu the smitted.
Shake-Zula said
Smite….. sounds kinky
liberalpercy said
I beseech the great imaginary cloud being to appear to the needy Pastor Maker and tell him that starving his persecutors is decidedly unChristian and unAmerican.
What? No starving? No smiting? Darn. Wonder where the God Guy went? Pastor Maker, do you ever really think about the words you spout or do you just parrot them without realizing what you are saying?
Scott Hatfield, OM said
Hey, Pastor Tobin Maker:
Just thought I’d let you know about a new category of self-identification: “Friends of A”.
You can see it along the sidebar, here.
Awaiting your judgement with great eagerness,
Scott Hatfield
Brother Yancy said
A Prayer for This Evening
Lord, since your vessel Pastor Maker is mocked by the Unrighteous, I offer a General Prayer for the Evening that sums up not only our trials of the last few days but our many victories and our chances to show Christian fortitude in the face of the Unsaved.
Lord, in JESUS name, there is somewhat of a list tonight.
1. For Mother
I pray as always for Mother, that your ease her burden of age.
2. For The Scots PeopIe
And especially for Brother McGregor as he struggles mightily for YET ANOTHER DAY with the slings and arrows of his less educated co-ethnicists who are BLINDED by their history of pagan idolatry, who were connived against and confounded in their early and unsophisticated days by Papist Liars. Who were then again lied to (under Papist French influence) by the Perverts and Whoremongers of the Stewart Clan falsely wearing the Crown of Britain, ripped from the Blessed Virgin Queen Elizabeth! Oh Lord, the Scots are a people sore abused and who have been led by vile and self-serving men such as Robert the Bruce. Lord, they do not see that the tartan ties them to The Deceiver and is manifest in these latter days just prior to the Rapture by the JCM (Jewish Controlled Media) to aid in the feminization of America. Oh bless Brother McGregor, your servant and warrior armed with your holy word. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Halleylooyah!
3. For Anderson Cooper
Lord, I also ask a special personal prayer that you aid Brother Anderson Cooper of the Cable News Network of Atlanta Georgia USA in his struggles against malignant narcissism and the allure of the man-skirt. I know he struggles, Lord. I see it in his eyes in every moment of his broadcast! Bless hiim Lord, and remember how he walked in the Valley of Death and danger in filth and feces after Hurricane Katrina, handsomely clad none-the-less, up to his thighs in filthy water full of the corpses of the Children of Ham! He did this to encourage charity Lord, so please give him strength in his struggle! Give him strengtrh Lord.
4. For Sister TDGC
Also, Lord, help Sister TDGC in her recent real estate venture because you reward your people who are just with triumph and prosperity ABUNDANT! Glory!
5. For Spoiler’s husband. Lord, I pray for this man that he put his foot down, stop washing dishes and sharing the computer with is wife and resist this bold WOMAN’S attempts to clad him in the kilt.
6.. For Sister Lynelle and her work in the USE Ministry, especially the Prison component. Strength to her Lord. Glory! Hope too that Spoiler sees what a REAL Godly woman is like.
7. For Dirty Atheist Aaron, that he cleanse himself as I taught the young sailors to do when I was the enlisted hygenic officer.
8. For the innocent young male Gentile babies, that they escape the genital mutilation forced on America by Jewish Doctors after 1945. While they have their motives that are understandable, it is time to stop this hateful practice which serves only to erase the most immediate and visible differeence Jew from Gentile.
In Jesus Name we Pray
AMEN
BY
Brother Yancy said
Mr. Hatfield
May I ask the significance of the OM behind yor name? Is that indicitive of ordination is some Papist cult such as the Franciscans and Benadicktine or so forth? Please advice.
YIC
Brother Yancy
Brother McGregor said
Brother Yancy
always sparing a thought and a prayer for the weary and the wanton. The two halfs of the coin, the blessed and the damned. True Compassionate Christian that you are.
I feel Rejuvenated in Christ
Brother Yancy said
Brother M
Thank You so much. My heart bleeds for the terrible things that have been done to the Scots people over the Centuries. I have looked into this recently, due to our discussions here, and I am most horrified by the lies, nay DAMNED lies told by those wig wearing Frenchified Sissy Stewarts masquerading as true Christians while wearing the Cassocks of Jesuits underneath their brocade and Satin! Save this people Lord! This abused and trampled upon land of Scots! Holy!
YIC
Brother Yancy
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Brother McGregor said
It was the Normans yes…who invaded our lands…subjugated the Anglo Saxons and then turned then into fiefdoms. Then the Welsh and the Irish and lastly the Scots. Our tiny country of Scotland has certainly been brutalised by invading army after army. The Romans were one of the first, built a wall to keep us in the highlands (Hadrian’s Wall). Should you ever get a chance to holiday, you should go and see it.
The scot are a nation of jutes, picts, caledonian, and scots. No one really knows who the first people but it is thought that Scotland was first inhabited around 7000BC. We even have our own versions of Stonehenge…ring of Brogar. Others such as the standing stones of Calanais (Callanish) on the Isle of Lewis, date to 3,000 BC. I think the most amazing henge is at Maes Howe in Orkney.
Had we been left alone to find our own way…I am sure we would have gone the strict route of the protestant religions rather than the forced Catholicism we had to endure. It kept us soft in many ways and now the country like England, Ireland and Wales is rent with gangs and lawlessness nad permissiveness. We used to be known as dour and obedient.
Sad times indeed.
Many here feel i have forsaken my heritage…not so. I love it. This is the country of my birth and my parents and their parents birth…back thousands of years.
It has become soft…lawless.
Big E said
After further investigation and reading of this ‘Baptists for Brown 2008′ website,
especially the ‘Hellbound’ section, I offer two quotes:
“People who reject scientific evidence
in favor of fantasy and myth are not
“deeply religious”, they are stupid.
“When fascism comes to America,
it will be wrapped in the flag and
carrying the cross.” ………. Sinclair Lewis
WhoDat said
Big E,
I read that and basically got ‘blah, blah, blan, I am a snooty LIEberal, latte sipping, commie quoting some sort of nonsense, blah, blah, blah, I love Castro, blah, blah, I hate amurika, blah, blah, blah, Osama Barry Hussein Bin Laden Obama rocks!’
Is that about right?
I will pray for you sweet child.
Brother McGregor said
Oh dear….I hope your wife becomes well soon. You should not be working all day and then forced to fend for yourself when this should be your time of you…Your time to relax and gaze lovingly over family and hearth…Not listen to the hacking coughs that rent the air.
Your gentle countenance is bruised indeed.
Still I find it comforting that as addled as I know you are (stressed and overburdened) you still find time to provide a gentle reproach to that big silly Big E.
Big E said
WhoDat:
You sound like you would feel right at home at the prayer services
conducted by the Westboro Baptist Church . Go to http://www.godhatesfags.com
and embrace the fellowship.
They also exhibit the ‘enlightened tolerance’ your post implies.
To demonstrate my sincerity
for you and the other ‘Baptists For Browners’ , I will beseech Rev. Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggart, Pat Robertson et. al, and , lest we forget,
the charming multitudes of pedophile priests to pray for you also.
I do this with the hope that someday, you too may experience the well documented spiritual Inquisitions of the past.
Jack said
Just remember we all come from monkeys so certain behavior is to be expected.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
Jack,
Your sad devotion to the lies of the evilutionists will end in tears. Mark you my words.
I’m proud to know that my ancestors were a Mister Adam and his wife Eve.
In Christ’s Name.
Bones said
I just dropped by from a link somewhere…
I can safely say that I have never been exposed to so many Ad Hominem attacks, strawman arguments and circular logic as I have in my brief interlude to this blog.
Pastor Tobin – You seem to have trouble spelling the word “evolution” ( via Natural Selection) there is no “I” in it, it’s a very simple and beautiful concept and it does explain a great deal about the complexity of organisms we see around us today, using this process we can determine that complexity arises from simple beginings, which however unsettling this may be for you and your fellow faithful, does question the existance of a creator, after all we would then be required to explain who created the creator ad infinitum, envoking a god or gods actually poses more questions than it answers.
You are obviously an intelligent person and I wonder how you can refute the theory (Evolution via the process of Natural Selection) and explain how antibiotic resitant strains of bacteria ( C-Diff,MRSA etc) devolop these resistances if they have not “evolved” to do so via this process?
Thank you.
Ebert said
Jesus Tally***UNChristian Word Removed***Christ. You guys scare the living Ungodly***UNChristian Word Removed***scabs out of me. And Have Once Again Proven to The Entire Internet the Pointlessness of Such an Inquirey. Such a Showy Display Of Ones Means.
Ebert said
Yeah, Moderate this, because I don’t need to tell the world, this message is for you. You’re beliefs are just as well as mine, however, realize that we are all humans, what more can we really pretend to be? It’s such a sad consideration of life, to believe the amazing beauty and complexity of life has to be lived in such a wasted non-creative lifestyle of constant bickering and self-righteous “prayers” to give glory to yourself, even when you don’t realize it. If there is a God, surely It would be laughing right about now.
Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett said
Dear Ebert,
You are right about one thing, God is laughing, at you. He is laughing right now as He thinks of just when and how He will sneak up behind you like a thief in the night to cast you into Hell to be punished for all eternity. He may be a vengeful God but He also has a since of humor too. He allowed Liberals, did He not, so He must enjoy a big joke occasionally?
Confused said
Crockett, so (under your logic) you’re saying that God let people sin terribly and damn themselves to hell, a fate of eternal torment, because he thought it was a good joke? Man, your God is a jerk. It’s like poor Job. God tortured him over a bet with the devil. God was GAMBLING with Satan. What kind of God is that?
Oh, right. An imaginary one.
liberalpercy said
Pastor Maker,
You say you are proud to be a descendant ot the fictional Adam and Eve – created at the whim of your God. Which also means you can be wiped away by the whim of your God, and your descendants will never grow and evolve into anything better than you are today. What a small and sad point of view that is.
I, however, am proud to be a descendent of several Billion years of evolution – of life – always growing, changing, evolving. I am proud that after Billions of years, I can look up at stars and see light that began its journey to the Earth before humanity, before mamals, before life itself was here to sense those photons.
I can also observe and understand the universe, develop the science to observe phenomena my natural “God-given” senses cannot comprehend, from sub-atomic particles to quasars. I can understand biology to the point where medicines can be developed to heal the sick scientifically, rather than by superstition. I can scientifically “evolve” grains and livestock to feed more of the poor and hungry.
I think it is so much more remarkable that we, and every species that shares the Earth with us, are the product of billions of years of natural selection, than that we are the here because some invisible cloud being decided to whip us up out of some dust.
Assuming that humanity survives the coming Global Warming crisis and whatever other dangers may come our way, I wonder what our descendants will be like a million years, a hundred million years from now. You don’t “believe” in the fact of evolution, so you think humanity will be no different. I believe we have only just begun our evolution into ever-more wonderful human beings.
So – you and Sen. Brownback and your cadre of superstitious bible-thumpers can stay stuck in the 19th century. The rest of humanity will get along just fine without you.
Peace and Love
Stanley Shunt said
Ya’ll forgot about all the Christian babies that Dr. Myers has sacrificed to Cthulhu…
CHRISTIAN BABIES!!!!!!11!
Brother McGregor said
Ebert we had another here plagued with skin problems…her unmentionable naughty bit was rough and chaff. Perhaps the suggestions we shared with her…powders, salves and oatmeal baths might also clean up your scabby skin.
YIC
Brother McGregor said
confused…We were given “Free Will” to do as we chose. This is the Test of our Lives.
We choose to either adhere to HIS Words or we do not and pay the penalty.
YIC
Brother McGregor said
The Globe warming and cooling is something it has always done. God created a perfect world. Do not believe the lies of the Dumicrats. They would frighten you into putting money into coffers than are not needed.
Surely all you scientist types know that the globe goes through certain shifts of weather and changes. This is how it should be.
La Mona said
McGregor, were you not aware??? These people believe the world to be flat and not moving!
Big E said
- At fixedearth.com they have figured it all out….
– so many ‘investigative reports and deep analysis..- just a ‘casting the first stone’s’ throw from the good old days of the Inquistion
Here area few few quotes and views from the enlightened ‘minds’
over at fixedearth.com
This first one I reference is interesting, as I don’t believe one can find the study of the ozone layer or even the word ‘ozone’ mentioned in the bible, and yet the website owner uses dastardly SCIENCE to ‘disprove’ global warming.
” Never mind that the same ozone patterns have been around since anybody started looking.” ……………………………………………(who exactly are those ‘anybodies?)
“The Earth is not rotating…nor is it going around the sun.”I
“the diligent reader will be astonished at the level of demonstrable hi-tech fraud, baseless assumptions, occult mathematics, etc.,–all part of a religious conspiracy!–that has been at work over many centuries implanting the incredible evolution myth about the origin of the Universe, the Earth, and Mankind.”….. ( re: occult mathmatics. see below)
As the world of sovereign nation states morphs into a global economic, cultural, and soon-to-be political and religious system, the long-hidden chief goal behind all of it comes into focus. That over-riding goal, that long-sought but now achievable political triumph over nation states is, above all else, religious. And not just religious, as we shall see, but specifically anti-Bible, anti-Christian religious. In point of fact:
“A converted Russian nihilist, Ivan Panin, graduated from Harvard in 1882 as a mathematician. He then spent 50 years (wow!) on deciphering the mind-blowing mathematical structure of the Bible from the first word to the last. Since every letter in every word of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts also has a numerical equivalent, every letter, word, phrase, sentence, paragraph, and even every subject has a definite arithmetical sum.
What follows is a severely abbreviated example of the kinds of phenomena Dr. Panin discovered when working with those numerical equivalents…regardless of whether they pertained to a given subject such as the genealogy of Christ, or a book of the Bible, or the Bible in its entirety. Marvel at each of these as you read:”
“The number of words in the vocabulary will divide by the number seven.
The number of words beginning with a vowel is divisible by seven.
The number of words beginning with a consonant is divisible by seven.
Having explained the function of numeric and place values in the Hebrew and Greek languages in Scripture, it is noted by way of example that the value of the word “Jesus” in Greek is 975, of which the numeric value is 888, and the place value is 87. These features produced these astonishing results in addition to the previous examples:”
What more “proof” is need to explain away all that silly science?
There are volumes of great reading material at the website.
..get your funny quasi religious looking hats and long robes out of the closet,, lock your doors at night,…
don’t talk to your neighbors…
Brother McGregor said
much like you Mona
YIC
Adam Nelson said
This is funny. Even you guys can’t agree on what stupid things you believe.
La Mona said
Much like me what? I know the world to be moving and round…..
Luci said
Are we banned yet?
Luci
interpreted said
Despite their alleged ‘l33t h4x’ which stop us reregistering, I don’t think being banned makes the slightest bit of difference.
sp0iler said
I looked at that site. I love how they’re saying that a bunch of Jews, which is an Abrahamic religion, and from which Jesus was descended, denied the creation story. My understanding of Kaballah, though I admit it is limited, is that it is Jewish mysticism and mythology – parables, in other words.
Brother McGregor said
Luci
you were just congratulating us and then when we didn’t roll over as expected you then slam Sister lynelle
Typical.
Brother McGregor said
much like you Mona
Flat and not moving
YIC
John Brown said
Well, “Big E,” if that is indeed your name…you’ll be laughing out the other side once Our Lord Jesus comes down through the Earth’s fiery atmosphere on a blindingly White steed (Jesus is quite athletic and fit, he’s been working out and is just rippling with Rambo-like muscles…what a beautiful sight to behold!) and, once he’s defeated the antichrist (who as we all know is the popular composer and Jew Marvin Hamlisch), takes Satan’s own pitchfork and uses its eternal flames to sear the flesh right off your pathetically puny, girlie-man body, boiling your bloody entrails after gouging out your eyeballs lest they befoul His Glorious Presence! Only by having a Personal Relationship, as I do, with a completely fabricated, demented perversion of the Prince of Peace, will ye be saved.
Big E said
re: JB’s
’sear the flesh right off your pathetically puny, girlie-man body, boiling your bloody entrails after gouging out your eyeballs’
Isn’t that what they do on that Food Channel Show? You know the guys that go around the world eating all the weird animal parts, insects and the like…. Yum-O !!
If I had known that Pastor Tobin and Co. were like, serious foodies we could have
broken bread together, and maybe chatted and opened a new restaurant in….. hmmmm….. say
South Carolina, where the Christian exodus people (christianexodus.org) will be setting up shop. They say the following:
“It is evident that the U.S. Constitution has been abandoned under our current federal system, and the efforts of Christian activism to restore our Godly republic have proven futile over the past three decades. The time has come for Christian Constitutionalists to protect our liberties in a State like South Carolina by interposing the State’s sovereign authority retained under the 10th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Now normally I would think that such radical talk would be treasonous …but..
they are good Christians who just want a state of their own..what’s wrong with that?
Can you imagine how well the new Bible themed restaurant will do there? WOW !
Maybe some of the good people who post here can suggest some names for
the restaurant fare….. maybe….. a hot & spicy chicken wings
dish called…… “tasty fried, to a tender done-ness:: hot wings of satan”.
And none of that aforementioned Marvin Hamlisch music, either!!
WhoDat said
Big E,
What in heavens are you babbling incoherently, and seemingly endlessly, about this time? Lord woman, get some Pamprin and eat some chocolate. Better yet, find a good man to take care of who will keep you occupied with chores and wifely duties so you won’t get all crazed and chatty during your filthy woman days.
YIC.
Big E said
My dear sweet WhoDat….
Are you suggesting that I commit a sin, by, as you put it:
‘finding a good man’?
I am a ’straight guy’…..I don’t practice the gay life style, but I have nothing against
those who do………….. but…… I am very
impressed by your LIBERAL alternate life style suggestion ….. very 2007 !!
Re: “filthy woman days”
my goodness… you devil you… keep that stuff to yourself.
Candide said
When Pastor Maker starts passing out his scarlet A’s, he can save a lot of time by avoiding prisons. It is a fact that one would be hard pressed to find an atheist in prison. Every resident in the gray bar motel manages to find God lurking about somewhere on the premises. Apparently, God does not deem it necessary to accompany inmates as they leave the facility, but rather chooses to remain inside awaiting their return.
Seriously though, you have to wonder about those outreach groups that go to prisons, with recidivism at over 90%, who is conning whom?
Brother Yancy said
Dear Candide,
Your post brings to mind Charles Colson, a faux Christian, a despicable little man who has used his crimes to enrich himself and continuously shame the Republican Party by reminding the country of how he and Gordon LIddy led poor Richard Nixon astray. I know this is old history. Thanks for bringing this up.
YIC
Brother Yancy
Gordon LIddy is also a non-Christian who profits from Crime.
Big E said
WhoDat:
I was so impressed with your turning a new leaf and being more open
to alternate lifestyles that I wanted to offer this website to you and
everyones’ consideration: *unChristian link deleted*
Enjoy!
WhoDat said
Oh My apologies Big E,
I just assumed you were a woman, with all the over the top feminine hysterics and all.
So sorry. But you can’t blame me totally, heck, with all your claptrap ‘blah, blah, blah…’ nonsense, it is no wonder you would be mistaken for a confuddled, weepy, hormonal woman.
Oops
Big E said
*unChristian link deleted*
Tex said
*unChristian link deleted*
Brother McGregor said
Yes Sister Candide is a very bright woman. She is on my myspace friend list…very wise. A little too dumicrat for my Christian Republican tastes…but I am hoping that some intense prayer sessions in email exchanges might bring to the foot of the Almighty. She has a very winsome smile and pleasantly engaging.
I concur Brother Whodat…. I too thought Big E was female as well. I thought the E was some kind of girl code. Silly me
YIC
Candide said
BIG E…OH…O…LOL!
Why McGregor, I do believe that I am starting to see the light! Lord have Mercy! I do believe a man in a kilt could talk the birds right outta the trees!
Ex Cathedra » Blog Archive » Scary said
[...] for Brownback was real. They aren’t talking, but I think they let the cat out of the bag with this post about Pharyngula blogger PZ Myers. In mitigation, I hadn’t read the article that contained the delightful phrase, “that [...]
Baptists For Brownback Comment-Moderator, Grace said
Big E:
This is a Christian forum and you will want to keep that in mind when you contribute your annotations. We do not condone, endorse, nor will we authorize the discussion of anything that against our Biblical teaching. As a courtesy to the founders of this web site and out of obedience to the TOS provided for your convenience, remember this going forward.
Erwin said
Comment-Moderator Grace said: “We do not condone, endorse, nor will we authorize the discussion of anything that against our Biblical teaching.”
Why not?
sp0iler said
Because then they would have to acknowledge that what they believe doesn’t make sense. Also, any mention of the New Testament teachings of the Bible, where God loves people and teaches them to love everyone, aren’t allowed. Only the vengeful, angry God of the Old Testament appeals to these people. Somehow, they seem to forget that Jesus appeared in the New Testament.
liberalpercy said
Don’t worry Grace. We Atheists would never do anything against your Bible teachings, like make up lies about PZ Meyers and his family.
If, however, you are holding true to your latest edict, why have you not banned Pastor Maker for bearing false witness?
Mod. Note: Pastor Tobin Maker is a man of God who leads his flock just as our own leads us. If you disagree with his teachings you can always start a blog or website of your own to teach it your (false) way.
liberalpercy said
Grace,
I don’t want to teach anyone else “my way”. I’m not that arogant.
I’m just asking that Pastor Maker live up to his own standards of following the Bible when he publicly lies about people he does not know. I’m trying to understand how it is OK for Pastor Maker to slander a friend of mine, while wraping himself in the mantle of being a ‘man of God’. I smacks of extreme hypocrisy – not to mention the sin of bearing false witness.
I’ve asked the question repeatedly and the lack of an answer is quite telling. You are welcome to believe I am a sinner beyond redemption for my atheism, but you are not welcome to shout to the world in a public forum (while purporting to support a Presidential Candidate) lies about people, without having to answer for those lies.
Big E said
WhoDat:
re: “mistaken for a confuddled, weepy, hormonal woman”
re: “crazed and chatty during your filthy woman days”
You don’t seem to have a very high opinion of women…
maybe you have issues with smart, free and independent thinking women…
….do you feel threatened by women?
I’ve always been amazed how the ‘religious’ types cloister themselves
away from any real discussion of their beliefs…. they run away so
quickly that one has to resort to sarcasm just to get a response, or,
in the case of the neo-con/republican/evangelical types, they have ‘pubic forums’
with select invited patrons that will not ask any thinking questions.
Most of the folks I know who actually worship and practice their beliefs
are always glad to sit and chat about belief systems… they do not hide
behind the easy ‘it’s in the bible’, ‘you don’t have the true faith’, or ‘trust in the lord’ panoplies. Their faith doesn’t prevent an engaging ‘give and take’ discussion.
It’s sort of like what happened in battle over Creationism in Dover PA public school
system. A bunch of evangelical types somehow got themselves elected to the school board and the first thing they do….. is start teaching the bible in the public schools, and claim it’s science!!!.
Of course eventually that was ruled unconstitutional….. by a judge who is a republican and a man of faith.
Brownback and 2 others running on the republican/christian/evangelical platform don’t believe in EVOLUTION, and who knows what other parts of science.
I have posted links to christian websites that believe that the sun revolves around the earth. These men are dangerous as their beliefs in apocalyptic scripture would no doubt hasten World War 3,4,5,or 6… at least until you’ve killed all the non-believers.
How many times does the Scopes Monkey trial have to be litigated?
LiberalPercy makes a salient point with his ‘extreme hypocrisy’ comment.
After all, wasn’t it Pat Robertson who advocated ‘taking out’, aka MURDERING
Hugo Chavez because brother Pat didn’t like his POLITICS.
Didn’t hear the good christian choir issuing any disclaimers to the effect
murder is not exactly a ‘good christian’ thing to do. Or the other types who were
advocating killing or blowing up doctors and womens clinics.
Same old story down through the ages…. using the justification for ‘killing for god’, so you can maintain some sort of political and economic control.
Sad…. so very sad
Big E said
Just read this today….
kill the innocent…
yep…everybody sing ” gimme dat ol’ time religion”
The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., plans to stage protests at funerals of victims of the 35W bridge collapse to state that God made the bridge fall because he hates America, and especially Minnesota, because of its tolerance of homosexuality.
The church and its pastor, the Rev. Fred Phelps, have become notorious over recent years for their claim that the attack of 9/11 was an act of God’s vengeance and their determination to make that case at the funerals of U.S. soldiers who died in Iraq.
In a press release issued the day after the bridge collapse, the church called for protests at the funerals and outlined its feelings about the relationship between God’s plan and the sins of Minneapolis and Minnesota, which it calls the “land of the Sodomite damned.”
Reached at the church, Shirley Phelps Roper, who is both the daughter of the pastor and one of the attorneys for the church, said that America, and Minnesota especially, have alienated God by its tolerance for homosexuality, and that the bridge collapse was an act of God’s vengeance. She said:
“The bridge stood in place by the word of God and it fell by the word of God…Each of these little events is just a harbinger of the coming destruction of this American experiment. We are delivering the final call of the doomed nation.”
The signs that the protesters will wave will read:
“God cast down the bridge… Thank God for 9/11… America is doomed… God hates fags… God hates fag enablers… God hates Minnesota.”
Branedy said
Where can I apply for my own ‘A’ logo, I want to be an early joiner.
Rasco said
Ahhh, silly literalist Christians with their silly medieval ignorance. It’s so sweet.
smart-bean said
Is this website *unChristian word deleted*? I mean, it reads like a *unChristian word deleted* of stupid religiousity. It isn’t quite as blatant as *unChristian word deleted*, admittedly, but after reading several of the letters I’m half convinced this site is run by *unChristian word deleted* to make religious people look dumb.
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Tim said
I attended a presentation by CZ Myers to Minnesota Atheists – he is bright, organized, articulate, and he wonders why humans have evolved to believe in supernatural beings. I do too.
As a grandson of a minister, I live an ethical and moral life.
For you religious folks, do you believe (like the pope believes) that only your sect of supernaturalism will be rewarded in heaven? Martin Luther King (who is in heaven, right?) emulated Mahatma Gandhi (who is in hell or purgatory, right)? Wouldn’t Reverend King be extremely upset by this fact?
dhonig said
Can I have one too?
Feuermann said
Hey, how do any of these people know what PZ drives, what his kids wear or that he has a ” trophy wife”? Really how many college profs do you know that have a “tropy wife” and why dont I have one???
Adam Nelson said
This website is hilarious. These folks live in a time warp.
Chuck said
I think that Baptists for Brownback is a*profanity deleted* site. Anyone taking it seriously is a *profanity deleted* dolt. If, on the other hand, its authors are *profanity deleted*, then they belong to the same category of fundamentalist scum as Osama bin Laden. Look at all the posts referring to “comrades” and “victors” in Christ. There is a militant language that gives away that this site is either (1) meant to *profanity deleted* the Christian right by *profanity deleted*, or (2) that this site is run by genuine Christian extremists on the verge of the use of violence. Either way, no serious person should waste their time debating the “characters” here.
Adam Nelson said
Chuck, I agree with you. Not only does their legal statement say they are a psrodt, but these guys are just too crazy, especially Gaines-Crockett, who is convinced that each and every Atheist kills kitties for blood rituals.
Kilgore trout said
I still can’t tell for sure if this site is a joke or not. If it is its hilarious, if its not… its even funnier.
I’ve got one of those big red A’s on my site too, are you going to claim that you went to blogger and requested it be put on my site? Richard Dawkins.net is where the OUT campaign came from, yes some of us atheists are proud of that fact in much the same way that some people wear a cross around their neck. Its already been said but the satan worshiper accusation is great, an atheist satan worshiper would be a very confused individual, or a member of a metal band.
Adam Nelson said
LOL true that, Kilgore. But remember that these people also believe that Islamists are atheists too, and that anybody who’s not Republican Baptist is a Pagan for some reason (of all the things to call somebody, why Pagan?)
Rachel said
This site is a joke right? Are you seriously taking credit for the scarlett “A” for atheists? If so, you are so unbelievably stupid, I don’t know what to say!
Scarletta said
I am glad to be reminded of the attitudes I dumped when I ditched God for Atheism! in fact, it’s a perfect advert for atheism!
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Wow.. said
just letting you know, but “every Christian will know their enemies by the badge they wear” could have come right out of Adolf Hitler’s mouth the day he ordered all the jews to wear stars of david. Welcome to historical context!
Wow.. said
also… the A wasnt put there by you… your delusional…PZ put it up because its a campaign called campaign out started by Richard Dawkins…. and they intentionally used the scarlet letter as a literary reference, which is quite obviously beyond you. Also, When are you going to let me sell my daughter into slavery which is sanctioned by Exodus 21:7, and can I kill my neighbor because he works on the sabbath? Exodus 35:2 says he should be put to death. I also notice you have glasses from your picture in the comments, You do realize that according to Leviticus 21:20 you cannot approach the altar of god if you have a defect in your sight.
Veronica said
I am ashamed to call myself a Christian after reading responses here from other Christians. Jesus said to love one another…and that includes your enemy. This all sounds like hate to me. If this is what Brownback supports, I’ll be voting for Tancredo.
Scarletta said
Hey Veronica, give Humanism a try if you’re sufficiently disillusioned by your fellow Christians! I did 12 years ago and haven’t looked back!
Brother McGregor said
Humanism the cult of the Satanic illuminati based evil do-ers
enough said.
Brother McGregor said
Osama bin laden, a myth to keep you all enslaved. A fiction invented by those who seek to control. They and their myths are purposely trying to dupe our Christian govt.
Scarletta said
Christianity is the cult of people who don’t like to think for themselves but instead, turn to slavish obedience to please some fictitious sky fairy, the existence of which has yet to be proven by anyone. We are far from evil-doers. Neither do we sacrifice goats, children or sheep. We do not strip naked and hold orgies at Stonehenge every summer solstice. I am neither heavily tattooed nor in possession of Satanic leather clothing. Most importantly of all, we don’t use the Bible to back up and justify our own prejudices about homosexuals or any other group of people.
Brother McGregor said
Scarletta if your reasoning is sound and if it were accurate, you would not cling to the term humanist. You would just go out into the world and carve your path and be Scarletta, not Scarletta the Christian, Scarletta the humanist, Scarletta the whatever.
You accuse us of being under some imaginary yoke that prevents us from having free thought. Not true. I can think all kinds of things that are not right or right or having no bearing on anything at all. Thought is certainly free. I am probably far more original than you are.
You just keep hip hopping down that flowery path with all its groovy people and your inverted crucifix “peace symbol” around your neck.. You continue to wear the nicest clothes you can find and make ups so you are sooooo different from everyone else.
Atta girl…you are soooo original
Not.
Brother McGregor said
When you walk down the middle of times square in a loincloth then maybe you will be original.
Brother McGregor said
and free of society’s conditions and rules
YIC
SP0ILER said
Um, have you ever heard of the naked cowboy?
SP0ILER said
http://gonyc.about.com/od/photogalleries/ss/times_square_2.htm
Adam Nelson said
McGregor, I sense gross and desperate insecurity from you. Also, your worldview is ludicrous: Bin Laden is a hoax? Jeez, you should check out godhatessweden.com. They sound more on your plane of thought. Who would Osama be made up by? Bush? He seems pretty commited to the lie.
And once again, you are just plain wrong. Humanism has nothing to do with God or Satan; humanists believe in neither sky fairies nor fire fairies. Get your facts straight before you make your mentally retarded claims. Thou shalt not bear false witness.
SP0ILER said
dude, if bin laden is a hoax, it’s been perpetuated by George W and your man Dick Cheney.
Evil Atheist said
In case it has not been posted in the replies here yet, here is the evidence that the good pastor Tobin Maker is a ***UNChristian Word Removed*** . Here is a link to the post by PZ Meyers on why he put the “Scarlet Letter A” on his blog, http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/07/come_out.php
As one can see, he chose to put that logo there to promote an Atheist Coming Out campaign hosted by Richard Dawkins. It is a campaign intended to be a rallying point for atheists to not feel so alone, not, as the good pastor states, “After two days of intensive lobbying by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett, Lynelle Bryant and myself, the “Science Blogs” community, which hosts Pharyngula, has agreed to place a scarlet “A” on the left-hand sidebar of the blog.” This is his first – and primary lie – in this post.
Here is the link that is attached to the A logo that describes the “Coming Out” campaign it is designed to promote.
http://outcampaign.org/
As for the other claims in this posting, “Myers lives a life of luxury at taxpayers’ expense—taking long vacations with his trophy wife, driving expensive foreign cars, dressing his children in exclusive fashions.” I’d ask the good pastor to support these claims with solid evidence or concede that these claims too are lies; that, in fact, he has no idea if PZ’s wife is a “trophy,” etc.
If the good pastor Maker lied about this, what else might he be lying about?
Pastor Maker, is it typical MO for you to lie like this to promote your point of view? Is you POV so weak that you have to make up complete***UNChristian Word Removed*** . such as this post in order to promote your hatred?
Just wondering.
–JK–
Adam Nelson said
That’s right. This ficticious “war on terror” would be a lie created by YOUR conservative government, by your account.
Brother Yancy said
Brother M
Now the filthy Atheist Adam is over here talking about believing in flaming fairies.
YIC Brother Yancy
Dale said
How come if someone chooses not to believe in God (and it is a choice), then they are labeled as ‘hate-speech’? Don’t you folks have any logic in your brains? That is like saying if someone doesn’t like Israel occupying and killing palestinians and stealing their land, that they are ‘anti-semetic’..
Most people see how ridiculous you sound with this, myself included, and I am a Chrisitian.
Dale
Adam Nelson said
I believe what I feel is correct about the world. Not only can you not change it (i.e. your lack of intelligence renders you completely incapable), but it isn’t your right to tell me what to believe about the world.
Reader in Texas said
I’d like to correct a mischaracterization here. The owner of Pharyngula is anti-supernatural beliefs rather than anti-Christian. It is his sincere conviction that it is bad for the intellect and our country to promote any supernatural theory – Christianity, Islam, astrology, etc. He is particularly concerned that supernatural beliefs of Christians are affecting decisions made by the US government despite the fact that all Americans do not hold supernatural beliefs. I have no problem with my friends who hold supernatural beliefs but I chose to limit my friendships to people who are not advocates of forcing their supernatural beliefs on my either socially or via our government.
Adam Nelson said
You hit the nail on the head, Reader. Government policy should not be dictated by a faith that not all people share. And considering the establishment clause strictly forbids it, the government should not make decisions favouring one religion over another.
Dale said
Most fundies are completely out of control, such as this site… All you Chrisitians should really get the book ‘Whats the Matter With Kansas’ to see that the republicans have you all completely fooled… Didn’t the repubs promise to get rid of gay marriage, abortion, etc… and have they? No. And don’t blame the dirty liberals, … it is because the politicians have NO PLANS to do the things they promise to Chrisitians.. Why? Because the ‘fear’ that they play on ‘gays dancing in the streets, taking away the guns, etc’ gets y’all to vote for them each and every time..
Real Christianity and faith is a personal thing, a personal relationship with your maker…
***** THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RELIGIOUS PERSON AND SPIRITUAL PERSON******
A religious person goes to church every sunday, and sits in the pew thinking about fishing… A spiritual person goes fishing on sundays, and thinks about God…
Adam Nelson said
Yeah, the Republicans really do have you guys by the short hairs. They have you so gripped in fear that they scrape up all the votes they need. Just like Bush promising to turn up Iraq’s WMDs. Now, where were those WMDs again? Coulda sworn they were in Iraq…
Big E said
Yeah… some new blood, and not that ’sacrificial stuff’ neither …
my friends you can
get yer ‘red hellish hot’ Scarlet Letter T-shirts over at
Richard Dawkins website….
Hey Scarletta
re: ‘Neither do we sacrifice goats, children or sheep’
‘the good folks of the Old Testament daze actually did or were ‘tested’
to do those things.
re: Pastor Tobin:
‘Myers lives a life of luxury at taxpayers’ expense—taking long vacations with his trophy wife, driving expensive foreign cars’….
Yes, we’ve never seen Preachers and Ministers, Evangelical types
misuse monies, or live lavish lifestyles…. c’mon now, lets at least pretend
to have an honest chat…
re: ‘trophy wives’
Can you say……. Fred Thompson…. or Rudy G.? as if it matters…
Should I mention Newt abandoning his sick wife….
‘good christians’ all …….. I don’t think so… not according to the ‘rules’..
rtp said
Isn’t this eerily similiar to a gold star the Nazi’s made a certain group wear?
Brother Mcgregor said
No that was a gold star
We will be using red letters
Thanks
nice to see you in here.
YIC
Adam Nelson said
Of course it is. And they want the same basic thing: a Final Solution for all those who aren’t “Republican Baptists”. Basically, the entire population of the Earth, save 100 people.
Big E said
so… if the good folks in Grand Plains can do this,….
I guess there’s no limits on what can be done to
illuminate the hypocrisy and fraud of … shall we say
certain religious types found across the good ol’ USA
at the minimum,.. now Pastor Tobin and his posse can
book reservations for some real summer fun.
Just remember… “Everyone loves a parade,”
GRAND PLAINS, NE—A tight-knit rural Midwestern farming community commemorated the demonization of homosexuality Sunday with its annual Gay Shame Parade, a three-decade-old tradition that has become a cornerstone of the town’s cultural identity.
“Every year, the whole town turns out to enjoy Nebraska’s famous summer sunshine, sample foods, browse the craft bazaar, and shame homosexuals for their repulsive, decadent behavior,” said Frank Mitchell, mayor of Grand Plains, NE and parade marshal. “This year was our biggest turnout yet. Everybody had so much fun ostracizing the gays.”
The parade featured the usual assemblage of police cruisers, fire trucks, antique cars, and farm equipment, which local residents had draped in red-white-and-blue banners that read “Burn in the Eternal Flames of Hell!” City Councilman Fred Brandeen, this year’s “Jesus,” entertained children by making mock finger-wagging gestures of admonishment and passing out buttons bearing the parade’s traditional slogan: “NO!” Members of the Grand Plains Area Wives Association followed behind with a 15-foot hand-sewn banner, cosponsored by Jerry’s Auto Body, which read: “GPAWA and Jerry’s Cringe To Think What You’re Putting Your Family Through.”
Organized every year by the Grand Plains City Council and a coalition of area churches, the Gay Shame Parade has been an annual event here since 1977, the year that citizens first became aware of gay people’s existence.
“To see a whole community rally together like this around a good cause—it’s really an inspiration,” said Ellen Lundblom, a mother of four enjoying the festivities with her youngest son, first-time reveler Timmy, 3. “If I were a lesbian, this would have really made me feel awful about myself.”
“My favorite part was the balloons,” Timmy Lundblom said. “They had all different colors of angry frowny-faces on them.”
The event got off to a rousing start with the Grand Plains High School Cougars marching band playing such classics as “The Star-Spangled Banner” and “Onward, Christian Soldiers.” The mood grew palpably more sober during the middle portion of the procession, as members of the Grand Plains Baptist Church marched with folded arms in stony, judgmental silence and stared at the spectators lining the streets as if to ask, “Are you gay?”
The spirit of levity returned, however, toward the parade’s finish, which featured balloon giveaways, a float contest, and an appearance by 6-year-olds Christopher Weiland and Courtney Wendt, who were crowned “Junior Mister and Miss Heterosexual” on Saturday. The parade concluded with a group reading of Leviticus 20:13.
After the last bit of confetti fell, spectators praised the parade’s highlights, including a float, presented by local Little League team the Tigers that depicts a mother, sitting alone with her head down on a kitchen table, crying. The first-place ribbon went to “Sodom and Gomorrah,” a miniature version of the two Biblical cities engulfed in flames. The float’s designer, McPhee’s Department Store window dresser Bruce Carlson, was not able to accept his prize, however, as he was away visiting an aunt in Lawrence, KS for the weekend.
Despite the pageantry, parade organizers stressed that the event has a serious message.
“Everyone loves a parade,” PTA chairwoman Agatha Buell said. “But it’s about a lot more than the clowns, the decorations, and those Shriner fellows in their tiny cars. It’s about making folks feel sickened by the deviant homosexual lifestyle, like God wants us to.”
Spectators couldn’t help but be delighted by the parade’s surprise finale, when, after dutifully leading the marching band for the entire mile-long parade route, local music teacher Colin Atherton was marched past the county line and told never, ever to return.
Dale said
No that was a gold star
We will be using red letters
…
Oh, well then, that makes it all different…
Adam Nelson said
If that’s real, then there reallt is no God. No God would tolerate such sickening festivities. Such unabashed hate under the guys of “wholesome fun” and Christianity is disgusting. If there was a Hell, every single one of those people would have a first-class ticket.
Dale said
Adam,
I would suggest that there is a God, just those Christians aren’t real. Such I would say the same to most of the ‘christian’ posters here.. Jesus taught forgiveness and tolerance, not judgement and hate. You Christians here KNOW that right?
Pete Chipman said
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Jesus said
Hi,
This is Hey Zeus. I never told you to vote for a douche bag. Stop using my name in vain.
Regards
You master
Adam Nelson said
These folks are the farthest thing from Christans. More like Fascists or Communists.
John Brown said
To both Big E and Veronica:
How dare you, Big E, make fun of our Baptist brother, the Rev. Fred Phelps. He knows it is a trangression against God of the highest magnitude to sleep with, and sow the seeds of, one’s own kind. Yes, Rev. Phelps plays rough, but he loves all except the Godless, soulless fags, dykes, fairies, Hollywood directors, fashion designers, interior decorators, caterers, party planners, dog-show participants, dancers and musicians. Anyone, basically, who has never understood what they were seeing when they were looking at plumbing fixtures or stereo cables…a plug is obviously supposed to fit into a hole…that’s the way our Holy Designer reminds us all of the True Way he has Chosen for us all to behave.
But Veronica…you have spoken God’s Word about Tancredo. I know this is a Brownback site, but any real MAN who advocates preemptively bombing the supposed “holy” muslin shrigns at Mecha and Media to send a message to these evildoers that they’d better leave us alone is the kind of great leader we need to prepare Our Way for the return of The Christ and hasten our Rapture, where we will be seated right next to His Spotlessly Clean and Disinfected Porcelain Throne.
Big E said
BTW: that article was from
The Onion’s website
Adam Nelson said
John Brown, I can’t hear you. Perhaps if you came out of the closet, you’d come through clearer.
Brother Mcgregor said
If that’s real, then there reallt is no God. No God would tolerate such sickening festivities. Such unabashed hate under the guys of “wholesome fun” and Christianity is disgusting. If there was a Hell, every single one of those people would have a first-class ticket.
Make up your mind Adam…you can’t have it both ways.
YIC
Dale said
These folks are the farthest thing from Christans. More like Fascists or Communists.
…
Like to make an example here… most logical Christian thinkers would think that the above mentioned -ridicule the fags parade- or whatever, is an abomination of true christians, the ones that really follow what jesus says.. Nobody wants to be lumped in with those nutcases… But you see, that is what our media and the neo-cons/fundies have done with regards to muslims. Sure, there are a few extreme muslim groups out there, and they talk of a caliphate, etc… but they are a FRACTION of the mainstream, similar to these non-christian phonies holding the above mentioned parade…
The problem is, most wingnuts in the states (and most dems) have been fooled into thinking that mainstream Islam is represented by the wacko fringe groups. And we are spending billions, killing thousands and creating many more enemies daily, because of this lie.. Wake up people, especially my fellow christian enablers that are the furthest thing from Christ’s message…
Also, guess what, the Iranian president DIDN’T EVER say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map… yet we hear it every day… cmon people… my generation has never experienced a world war, lets try and keep it that way…
Dale said
BTW: that article was from
The Onion’s website
…
Thank God.. although … look up good old Fred phelps and you will WISH it was the onion.
Adam Nelson said
Dale, you’re right. The funny thing is that the system works both ways: we only focus on the most extreme Islamic behaviour and identify Islam with it, and they look at Christian extremists like these guys and do exactly the same thing.
Both sides are equally stupid.
Scarletta said
I am probably far more original than you are.
I severely doubt that. but hey, I’ll let you live under the cloud of delusion in your head. As christopher hitchens described us in his book ‘God is Not Great’;
“There is no need for us to gather every day, or every seven days, or on any high and auspicious day, to proclaim our rectitudeor to grovel and wallow in our unworthiness. We atheists do not require any priests, or any hierarchy above them, to police our doctrine. sacrifices and ceremonies are abhorrent to us, as are relics and the worship of any images or objects.
To us, no spot on earth is or could be, “holier” than another: to the ostentatious absurdity of the pilgramage, or the plain horror of killing civilians in the name of some sacred wall or cave or shrine or rock……. Religion spoke its last intelligible or noble or inspiring words a long time ago: either that or it mutated into an admirable but nebulous humanism, as did, say, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a brave Lutheran pastor hanged by the Nazisfor his refusal to collude with them.
We shall have no more prophets or sages from the ancient quarter, which is why the devotions of today are only the echoing repetitions of yesterday, sometimes ratcheted up to screaming point so as to ward off the terrible emptiness.”
Brother Mcgregor said
Excuse me Scarletta? I ran out of time after “I severely doubt”.
Can you wrap it up in a nutshell please. I am interested but too busy to read a long post.
YIC
Brother Mcgregor said
spoiler just as your catholic church was created in the image of babylon and its harlot.
same people behind it all
Dale said
Both sides are equally stupid.
..
I disagree somewhat… sorry.. The other side, is looking in their backyards and seeing american and israeli occupation in their homelands. They see the death and destruction brought down on them from the ‘good guys’… I have yet to hear a muslim leader talk about Fred Phelps or the KuKluxKlan and try to say that is the american mainstream..
But other than that, thanks…
Scarletta said
“Can you wrap it up in a nutshell please. I am interested but too busy to read a long post.”
I detect attention deficit problems here…… Are you too busy to read the entire Bible?
Dale said
and they look at Christian extremists like these guys and do exactly the same thing
…
you are more correct than I initialy stated.. The problem is, the right wing extremists/nutcases, are in our government.
ilostmyfreewill said
BM let me wrap it up in a nutshell your religion is a waste of time and you are a delusional fool,
Brother Mcgregor said
no not at all Scarletta but your rambling drivel is hardly the Bible is it?
YIC
freewill
watch your mouth or we will show you the door
thanks
Scarletta said
“your rambling drivel”
MINE? It was a quote from someone else! Can we assume a fair degree of illiteracy in you too?
Brother Mcgregor said
Assume all you like:)
ilostmyfreewill said
Be fair hes comparing it to the bible, you know the badly written book of hate which idiots like BM use to be racist, homophobic retards.
WhoDat said
Dearest Freewill,
Judging by the somewhat nasty tone of your posts I gather you must be going through ‘The Change’, I hear that is tough on the ladies. You should try some hormone replacement therapy, that will fix you up in a jiffy and hopefully improve your surley personality. Good luck lamb.
God Bless!
Brother Mcgregor said
praise be Brother Whodat…my dotty Aunty Hattie actually had a beard towards the end of her life.
It actually made her look more like a pirate during the time she thought she was on.
Sad now to think back on it. She sure had her fun but everyone was secretly smirking.
Busy day today in the Lord’s Work again.
Brother Mcgregor said
free ok you have wrapped it up in a nutshell. Thanks…Praise Be
Now you can run along…
Bye bye
Miss Mabel Gargula said
Dear Brother McGregor,
Your dearly departed Aunt Hattie sure sounds like she was a handful. Glory be! I hope you didn’t allow her to handle swords and such, even though she thought she was a pirate. My former neighbor (may he rest in peace) believed he was a firetruck near the end of his life. His wife, I believe, indulged him a bit too much. Needless to say, things often got out of control. I’ll have to tell you sometime of the tragic (but predictable) way in which he met his Maker.
Dale said
folks, you can’t take the bible literally… it is a metaphor on life on earth.. I am christian and I beleive in evolution, as I have a ph.d in chemistry and had a biology minor. I have seen natural selection proved… just look up the ‘peppered moth’..
Myself, I was a drug addict for years, and couldn’t quit, until the day I became born again, and my addiction ended, in a snap. Don’t know how or why, but it did. Now, THAT is my proof, however, I am not foolish enough to say the earth was made in six days (whose days? Ours or Gods? hmmmmmmmm) or other obvious nonsense.. It is about your relationship with your maker/saviour, and how you treat OTHERS.
Adam Nelson said
If the Bible is true and inerrant, then Jesus can’t be God, because he’s God’s SON. BIIIG difference there.
Also, worshipping Jesus as God is a violation of the second commandment.
Brother Mcgregor said
Dear Sister Mabel HAHA….yes I can imagine! Aunty Hattie was a gin imbibing woman who always a bit of a cut up in her youth (So I have been told) She married into the family and was originally of Irish stock.
During the twenties when she was a young gal she developed an obsession with “bloomers” (the short version of trousers-not the under apparel) and badminton of all things. She was also a twin (Mattie-predeceased her during London Blitz). She was always flitting about with a darn racket in her hand and begged her mother to make her pair after pair of bloomers when each pair wore out.
Hattie suffered an injury in her early childhood. She did return home one day from the playground covered in blood from a nasty wound she had received from playing beneath a see-saw (teeter totter I believe the Americans call them). Some Nasty boy came along and pushed the one side up fast and the other side came down on her noggin poor thing.
The family consensus was: she was never quite the same after that. Of course we now know about organic brain syndrome and other injuries to the brain.
Well long story short, she liked the booze and swore like a sailor…Heavens to think what brother Vancy would do if he ever met her….probably faint dead away (He is so sensitive you know)
YIC
<— a happy little face to show my pleasure at “seeing” you
Dale said
Also, worshipping Jesus as God is a violation of the second commandment.
…
No, they are the same person… the holy ghost is the same entity as well.
Maj. Batguano (ret.) said
To Mr. Adam Nelson:
Sir, “John Brown” is back in the closet, where he belongs. He is – how can I put this? – quite insane.
Allow me to apologize deeply, humbly and sincerely to all on this list, and assure you that, unlike him, as an ex-military man, I am in possession of my facilities. In fact, even now, as I type this single-handedly, I have a firm and full grasp on my Manhood.
I have killed many in the Name of Our Bloody, Tortured and Transmogrified Jesus, but not out of some wanton bloodlust…nay, only because Our God is Bigger and Better than theirs and all others, a Real God, not a false idol.
In the case of the small, young vermin, was I not doing them – and us – a favor? Otherwise they may have grown to perpetuate some disastrous deed on America. And in the instance of the female vermin, who is to say what evil progeny they could have spawned at some unspecified date in the future? And what it possibly could do to us, maybe? Who knows?
Only be exterminating all those not Chosen to be Exactly Like Us can we be Truly Saved. Yea, verily I say unto “Big E:” You have forsook yourself and are on the road to failure. This is America…love it or leave it. Perhaps you should move over there with the rest of the scum before we nuke the entire Mideast, and you will then be fried to a tender doneness that will rival the Succubus Bird of Sa-tan, only to become fertilizer in God’s Great Plan for Us, His Chosen People (He really meant Us, you know, not the Jews). And by “Us,” I mean the U.S., Yes Sir, the good ol’ U.S. of A., the white Evangelical born-again part. At least that’s what I was taught in the military, where our movements have become quite regular.
Oh yeah, and vote for Tancredo. He – or someone like him – is what we’ve been waiting for all our miserable lives. “Big E” is a liberal, do-gooder idealist. God’s Chosen Ones are realists: we learned long ago that this world is so sinful and fetid, there’s no sense even trying to improve or change anything. So forget the here and now…let’s get to The Next Life ASAP, where as a Soldier of Christ, I look forward to taking my commands directly from the Ultimate Four-Star General Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of the Rods and the Staff Decider of Everything!
John C. Randolph said
PZ is worth a million of you, sunshine. He’s a man who *thinks*, not one who simply follows the dictates of a book of highly dubious origins.
-jcr
Adam Nelson said
Wow, Batguano, you are everything that is wrong with America today wrapped into one person. Congratulations!
greg said
as an atheist, i will proudly add this A to my journal. if there were wider recognition, id get it tatto’d. you people are sad.
Adam Nelson said
Hell, I’d get the A tattooed on me. It’ll probably become an entrance requirement for American universities at the rate these fundies are killing knowledge!
Sister Jill said
All of you Brownback supporters realize he voted in favor of the National ID don’t you? The precursor to the mark of the beast if you ask me. Even Reagan stated such when they first brought up the idea. Go ahead and google it.
WhoDat said
Adam,
While I love the idea of you being branded with a scarlett A, you are such a bother it might be better to put a microchip in you, kind of a ‘heathen low jack’ so that we can use a GPS to monitor where you are at all times, so our innocent children will not accidentally cross your path and be tainted by your oozing sin.
Big E said
to: Maj. Batguano (ret.)
well…. now you’ve really done it!
you have invoked the name that can’t be mentioned,
almost as dire as the love whose name we dare not speak…..
You have invoked the dreaded bird of Say-tan….. TUR-K
Woe unto thee… a pox and a plague upon thy house..
a thousand lifetimes of the searing
agony listening to the demonic music of the
netherworld…… Jazz
I must now take two vicodins to steady myself, that I may
yet re-enter the fray… I beseech thee to refrain from
referring to thehorrid beast ..seek ye refuge in the West,
in the sanctum and solace of …… Ohnedaruth.
AtheistAttorney said
You idiot, the “A” was an atheist idea and soon people will be wearing it and showing the world what they think. When your sychophantic sheep see all the intelligent people coming out as bible denying atheists, they will challenge them and that is where they will fall directly into our trap. In an instant we will destroy every false pillar upon which they imagined the crumbling platform of Christianity stood, from the inconsistancy and lunacy of the bible to the non-existance of the Jewish zombie god who temporarily died to redeem people who neither asked for nor need any such redemption. They will falter in their faith copme over to the side of rationality.Viva la evolutione!
PS It was immensly pleasing to me to see that when your lemmings are encouraged to think and challenged with reason (Luther’s whore) they falter – by marking our sites, you make them enticing and too delicious to ignore – whatever you suppress will grow stronger!
Tim said
Won’t you open your hearts and allow the Flying Spaghetti Monster to touch you with His Noodly Appendage?
Adam Nelson said
WhoDat, GPS doesn’t work that way. And besides, you can’t believe in GPS. That would mean the satellites would orbit *gasp* a round earth! And that was SURELY disproven by the Bible.
RAmen, brothers (especially Tim!)
Paul Hands said
Was away for a few days after my previous post.
Imagine my total lack of surprise when the “moderator” threatened me with a time out just because I posted something which disagrees with the pious gibberish being spouted around here.
And I reiterate : the atheist “A” was selected by us, consciously. It’s not a victory for the hard-of-thinking religious that we chose it. It’s a free expression of our decision to exist without though and choice limiting superstitious fairy tales.
Maj. Batguano (ret.) said
Adam Nelson congraduates me because to him, I represent everything that is wrong with America. Well, before gratulating from Military Academy, we were taught that Hiroshima was necessary to end WWII and save lives. The reasons for Nagasaki were not as clear, but one motive was that we had a vested interest in seeing if a different, untested A-bomb design actually worked.
It has come to my attention that the Nagasaki bomb was the same design as the one tested earlier that July in the New Mexican desert. The first Hiroshima bomb was the untested design – considered very likely to work because it was considerably simpler than the implosion model. It could not be tested because there was only enough uranium-235 for one bomb. The second bomb, dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, on August 9, was a plutonium bomb of the type tested at Trinity.
So much for the excuse that the reason for Nagasaki was to test a different model. It’s just as simple and realistic as this: we had it, so we used it on the slant-eyed guinea pigs who just happened to constitute the largest Japanese Christian population at the time – don’t worry, they weren’t OUR kind of Christians – to send a clear warning message to certain somebodies who were getting too big for their dirty Commie britches!
More importantly, imagine what Congress would have said if they found out we spent all that money on something and then never even blew it up? The political aftershocks would have devasting to God’s Army. Sweet Jesus forbid that now in our modren time we wouldn’t be sitting on stockpiles capable of repeating the destruction at Hiroshima 400,000 times over.
Anyway, to make my point: we need someone like Tancredo, who is willing – no, eager – to use some of this Holy HellFire that Jesus in his Infinite Wisdom made sure to give us first before the Krauts or the filthy Reds!
Proud to be an American…
Maj. Batguano (ret.)
Adam Nelson said
Batguano, where did you say you “gratulated” from?
Your point about building something expensive and not using it is flawed. Look at the tremenbdous amounts of money spent by America creating thousands of nuclear warheads and delivery systems, as well as planes, subs, and other vehicles of war that have never been used in anger. That is THE single biggest waste of money ever.
By the way, wouldn’t Israel or some other country near there have God’s Army? Not some hippie, PSP-playing, iPod-listening, vacationing GI army from the States.
Brother Yancy said
Major B
Sir, as a 26 year Navy man, also retired, it is not easy for me to question the judgment of an officer of any branch. However, I hope you will rethink your decision to support Oily Pizza Eater Tancredo. Thank you, sir.
UNITY! SERVICE! NAVIGATION!
YIC
Brother Yancy
Adam Nelson said
Yancy, is that the best you can do? Call the other guy names? How sad.
That is exactly why Brownback is destined to lose: his supporters are just plain unintelligent.
Maj. Batguano (ret.) said
Now Adam Nelson & me are almost on the same page of God’s Playbook (some call it the Holy Bible, exspecially Revelations). I completely agree, having all them weapons and not using them to smite our foes is indeed a tragic and biggest waste of money.
But No, Sir…we Evangelicals are God’s Army. You’ll see when our covert ops to completely take over the High Command of the USAF is completed. Once we’re sure one of our Brothers is always with his finger on The Button (the Big Red One), we won’t need orders from no namby-pamby civilian politician to make this world Right for Jesus to come back again, riding right down through the mushroom clouds with His sword and shield, what looks like laser beams shooting out from His Divine Eyes to destroy the unclean wickedness once and for all, except for 144 of them…
or maybe you just want us to sit back and lolly-coddle these A-Rab evildoers until they come right up to you and cut your head off. Is that what you want?
Oh and by the way, the only “vacation” our boys get over there is when they havin’ some fun, blowing off a little steam during torture interrogation sessions. Boo hoo. Or – I say again – would you rather them come over here and cut everybody’s head off. Your kind won’t be satisfied until all your women are wearing burkas, growing beards and memoralizing the Curan, while running around cutting everbody’s head off.
-Maj. Batguano (ret.)
Adam Nelson said
Batguano (I like the name, by the way… doubt many people on this blog get it), do you really think that Jesus would like to come to the Earth that his father created, all polluted and covered with the slime of a wasteful society, drenched in nuclear fallout with the vaporized gases of billions of people in the air? Seems to me like Jesus is more about love and tolerance than wanton genocide.
Big E said
re: Adam Nelson
“Jesus is more about love and tolerance than wanton genocide.”
ah, but there’s the rub…. exactly which people are speaking
for Jesus and how were they chosen/appointed? How do we know that they
really represent any supernatural forces? Where is the divine documentation
of their ‘holy’ status’?
I mean really,…. aside from the funny hats, long flowing robes
and mumbo jumbo, requisite singing with occasional incense burning…..
but I digress….
The answer,…. the Church is a political/corporation like any other, and like
so many corporate entities, their operations are clandestine with a thin
veneer of benevolence to maintain power and control with financial profit….
In a way, it’s the old pyramid scheme.
The Inquisition is always lurking around the next corner.
Euprax said
The Scarlet A comes from OutCampaign.org, which was already running for several weeks *before* you “first suggested” it. The Out Campaign came up with the Scarlet A to increase the visibility of atheists in society. PZ Meyers put the “A” link on Pharyngula weeks before you mentioned it. But you knew that, didn’t you.
Big E said
re: WhoDat
“you being branded with a scarlett A, .. ‘heathen low jack’ ..so our innocent children will not accidentally cross your path and be tainted by your oozing sin.”
Good visuals there WhoDat.. VERY Old Testament stuff….
I haven’t had anything ‘oozing’ out of me since college days. I was given a
prescription, and, all was well.
Brother Mcgregor said
lol Adam then what are you in here for? You like spending time with unintelligent people?
If you are here to convert us, that won’t happen. If you truely think this is “s a t i r e ” then why are you trying to ruin the joke? If you think this is a f a r c e then surely the creators are intelligent enough to pull it off. You spend more time in here daily than even the Godly. What’s in it for you? You just like fighting? I think you do…i think you’re probably queer and trying to show us all how tough you are, aren’t you?
I am going to call you Adam takes it in the Arse from now on.
.
Seriously who takes a leak in your cornflakes every day?
InHisGrace said
Brother Mcgregor,
Would Jesus call Adam Nelson: “Adam takes it in the Arse”, as you said you would do?
Don’t let your base nature interfere with your pursute of Godliness (made possible by Jesus).
and Major Batguano:
Would Jesus really take the side of a nation that is not 100% Christian and be on our side in a war against another nation? Do percentages of Christians in a nation count in who He decides to be with?
Adam Nelson said
McGregor, you really take this seriously, don’t you? I mean, you sound really really threatened by all this.
However, you can rest at ease, I’m just here for the discourse and the fun. But if my opinions threaten you so much that you have to resort to calling me “queer”, then that more or less just shows how sad your life really is.
I think you need to get a girl, big guy.
Brother Mcgregor said
LOL I have a girl.
Adam you have a brain the size of a booger
Praise Be…I’m amazed that you function
Brother Mcgregor said
InHisGrace
Because Adam is no doubt a sodomite
YIC
InHisGrace said
Brother Mcgregor,
If Adam is a sodomite, let us pray that he choose another path, the right path, Jesus’ path.
If he is not, then to brand him by this name, because of his views on other issues, is not productive to converting him to do the work of the Lord.
Which of these is true can only be answered by Adam and God.
Until we get information about this issue from either of them, it is most beneficial that we not use labels.
Labels are important only once we know the exact position of someone.
Yours in Jesus the Christ,
In His Grace
Brother Mcgregor said
InHisGrace
well I hear you and respect what you are trying to witness to. Many efforts have been made, many supplications even both to Adam and to the Almighty. To Adam to try and appeal to his better nature (if one should exist and many of us doubt this) and prayer to the Almighty because here is a young man, with some intelligence who sees fit to just spend his time being disruptive.
Regarding the charge of sodomy…There have been clues. He has show almost zealous interest in Brothers Yancy and Whodat.
Interest beyond that which could be considered natural.
Of course he will not admit it and he is not likely to embrace the hem of Christ. Adam is also an atheist.
YIC
Maj. Batguano (ret.) said
Well, it seems I have some ’splainin’ to do.
First, I have a sneaky suspicion that some of the comments posted here are inSINcere. Particularly in the case of “Big E,” I’m beginning to think that sometimes he’s being downright sartorial. For instance, when he mentions the Tur-Ks, well let me tell you Sir, I’ve been all over the Greater Kingdom of David (whey’re the Truly Saved are all gonna live in piece someday for 100 years) and while the Tur-Ks aren’t as stinky as those A-rab bastards, they ain’t no prize neither. Also, watch it with those vocadans and the libations you like to sample at fine establishments…oh, and Ohnedaruth…even the drummer of the POlice knows it is an ABOMINATION for someone to sing “A Love Supreme” who’s not white and used to be a junkie.
B.) I got a problem with Brother Yancy (or VIC, whatever) calling Tancredo a “Oily Pizza Eater.” My name ends in a vowel, Sir: it’s pronounced Baht-GOO-ah-No. So watch out who you’re calling an Oily Pizza Eater…they may just be one too.
Third, Adam Nelson seems to think “Jesus is about love and tolerance.” Well, not the Saved’s Jesus: No Sir, my Jesus is the vengeful, wrathful Old-Testament Jesus, as I was learned by my own father who beat the Love of the Lamb into me, and then at Bible School, and then of course later at Boot Camp in the Military. And he was a MASCULINE…not the liberal vision of a hippie, peacenick Savior. No, my Redeemer is a REAL MAN, which is why I spent my life to doing manly things with other manly men. I HAVE SINNED, BUT I HAVE BEEN REDEEMED IN THE THIRST-QUENCHING BLOOD OF THE CHRIST, Sir…doesn’t that mean ANYTHING to you?
Finally (D.), “In His Grace” axed me if the Lord would take up the cause of a “nation not 100% Christian…” and does “percentage count in who He decides to be with?” Good question, and I done give it a lots of thought.
I seen it over and over agin…football teams a losin’ cuz they weren’t 100%, no matter how hard we impeached the Lord to declare our side victorius. Does the percantage count? You betcha. If I had my druthers, I’d figure out a way to slam-dunk this whole country underwater and Baptize it in the Holy Name of Jesus, weather they wanted to or not. Them heathens and floral arrangers and choreographers and other homoes wouldn’t have a choice then weather or not to be Saved, now would they.
And then the good ol’ U.S. and A. would be 100%.
If I could figger out a way to do that, which I just now have received as my life’s calling and part of His Grand Scheme of Things, my job would be done here, finally, and In His Mercifulness.
Yours in G.I. Jesus,
Maj. Batguano (pronounced Baht-GOO-ah-No), ret.
Big E said
re: Brother Mcgregor
“Regarding the charge of sodomy…There have been clues. He has show almost zealous interest,,,,Interest beyond that which could be considered natural.”
It is truly a shame that you and others were not able to use that prescient awareness
of ’signs’ and ‘clues’ to rescue all the children from the pedophile Priests, Revs., and other false prophets.
But I guess those are sins are not to be seen as they are committed by ‘men of the cloth’.
[ regardless of how easy that cloth seems to come off when little children are involved ]
crimes hidden by church elders and administrators,
and, you would have saved the Church over 600 million dollars in restitution and legal fees..
…….. but really…
Your collective interest in certain, …..ah, ….shall we say… aspects.. …of the gay life style is quite illuminating. Perhaps you travel the path of Rev. Haggard and just don’t know it yet.
Difficult for me to ascertain these things from random postings to a blog.., as I don’t have your insight into ‘clues’ and things that are ‘beyond that which could be considered natural’.
And lastly, to Maj. Batguano (ret.)
well Sir, I cannot know or vouch for your military bona fides…
but as to ‘Police drummers’? I have seen parades where Police have marched with drums and drummers, and it was quite a wonderful experience … and Sir, I don’t need you to advise me on how I conduct myself sampling the ‘fine fare’ of any establishment..thank you.!!
For all I know, you are the kind of person that eats half a sandwich at a roadside restaurant, and then takes it back expecting a new whole one, claiming that original wasn’t what you ordered.
Maj. Batguano (ret.) said
Big E. has some insight let me tell you all. I confess it is true, I have indeed eaten half a sandwitch at a roadside restaurant, and then realized it was not hole, and taken it back demanding a new one of what I originally ordered. But that is only because I have a BIG MOUTH, and one bite – which is what it took to realize the sandwich was defective – was half the sandwitch. Which brings me to my point today:
I speak and write from my gut feelings, and I don’t put much thought into it at all. So regarding my comments about the TurKs, as long as they stayed out of my way, didn’t try to talk to me and in fact didn’t even look me directly in the eyes – I can’t abide anyone looking directly into my eyes, that’s a sure sign of hostel agression at me – we got along just fine, thank you very much. The best thing I can say is they make really good simboles over there, or at least I’ve been told by drummers in the Core.
And as far as my view of today’s unfolding events fulfilling the profeces of the Holy Word of the Bible, which I haven’t really read, but had it learned to me by Commanding Officers my entire life. A Tornadoe Grows in Brooklyn? I never my life heard of any such thing, but there it was on the T.V. just the other day…a Tornadoe in Brooklyn, NYC. That’s surely a sign of the coming End Times, even a heathen like yourself should be able to recognize.
I gotta get back to figgerin’ out how to submerge the compleat U.S. and A. underwater so I can perform the Right of Sanctimonious Baptism over everybody at once, so we’re all 100%…we don’t want no “halfs.”
By the way, one last question somebody on this thing might just know: I know the “Red” in our Glorious Flag of Patriotism stands for the shedded Blood of Jesus, and the “White” stands for the fact we’re the Superior Race, chosen by God in His Infinite Wisdom to rule the world and have our way with it, but does anybody know what the “Blue” is supposed to mean? Please tell me it don’t have nothin to do with any parts of that gosh-darn Democrat party bunch.
In closing, Pray this with me:
“Oh Heavenly God,
Thou Art So Huge.
Let me Tell You,
We’re All Really Impressed
Down Here.”
Repeat this 100 times a day, and anything you wish will be granted…even if it’s a wish for something bad to happen to your smiteful foes. Eventually. The Lord’s got a lot of stuff on His Heavenly Blue Plate Special, and your wish may be way at the very far end of the Eternal Buffet Table, if you know what I mean. But Our Father has an Infinite Appetite and is Never Completely Full. One Bite from His Sacred Mouth and there goes our 6000 year old planet and the Sun and Moon that circles it. And then He could just Gloriously fart or belch or burp the dang deal back out agin. So, Patients is a Virtue.
Yours in G.I. Jesus,
Maj. Batguano (ret.)
sadchristian said
your a complete embrassment to yourself, i suggest that you go on hook on phonic, and the company can teach you how to read the bible. last time i check, the bible said for you to love your enemy, not promote hate and bigotry.
you are no more better than those southern baptist christian who defended slavery, jim crow, and try to destroy those who demanded civil liberties because their skin color was not the right shade.
you are absolutely like the german christian church, who supported the nazi during ww2, and even bless the german soldiers as they march onto war, as the german soldiers have scrible on their belt buck, got mit uns, meaning, god is on our side. you are no different than the german christian who kept silent about the evilness of the final solution of the jews that was exterminated.
you think that sam brownback is a moral person, so that is why you are electing him as president, if you really think that he is great person, who is suppose to be prolife, than consider this, why did his belief in life never crosses his mind when he voted to allow the murder of innocent iraqi and american soldiers. when one makes decesion to go to war, they need to understand that they are about to use human sacrifies for a corproate gain. sam brownback lack moral judgement when he chose to terminate the lives of born babies for corporate gain.
i hope that you do read the bible, all of the bible, it is a beautiful book, and people like you have chosen to cherry pick parts of the bible to advance your theofacist agenda.
“if any man among you brittle his heart and not his tongue, that man religion is vain, for pure religion and undefile before god, and the father is this, to visited the fatherless and widow in their affliction and to stay unspotted from the world.” james 2:9-10
my gosh, i can’t understand how you sleep at night, because your hate can sure cut through iron gate right into the path of hill, where you belong.
and if anyone who can is making billion of dollars of the misery and suffering of poor innocent people, you should look no further than the mirror. isn’t pat robertson a billionaire, isn’t many of the minister and preist driving luxery cars, buy expensive clothes for their children, and how do they recieve all these money, through donation from some old grandma who can barely afford to pay for her apartment because her social security have been cut in order to buy million dollars house in the carribbean.
you want to talk about morality, why don’t you focus your attention their, but than again real christian don’t give a damn about the poor, afterall, it wasn’t like jesus ever talk about those less fortune than us, all he ever care about is stealing money form the poor and making the rich much more richer.
Pastor Tobin Maker D.D said
sadchristian,
I do not know what’s sadder: that you wrote that barely literate screed on the grounds of a university, or that I am probably subsidizing the welfare checks you waste on crack.
In Christ’s Name.
Brother Mcgregor said
Amen Pastor Amen.
A response worthy of being enshrined in Scripture.
Big E…I am more than aware of the paedophiles that dance about in dusty cassocks, drinking wine and trying to seduce children. We bring that to people’s attention whenever we can.
Fred Phelps? Well I was going to ask Mrs Gaines Crockett if we could link with that wonderful organization. Thanks for the reminder.
Big E said
Brother Mcgregor
re: “if we could link with that wonderful organization. Thanks for the reminder.”
so, you’d like to be kindred spirits with Fred?.. very ‘christian’ of you to admit it.
Why don’t ask your beloved Mr. Brownback what his opinion of your new brother
in Christ is?… I’m sure Mr. Brownback would be very eager to stand at a national
podium and repeat Brother Fred’s rantings on how wonderful it is that
brave Americans who die in Iraq deserved to die and are all going to hell.
Now there’s a press conference I wouldn’t want to miss!
I am glad to know that you Baptists here at BFB2008 are supporting Fred Phelps.
” and thy darkness be as the noonday”… I believe your own quoted scripture as well as the Baptist writings here.. illuminate you for the frauds and hypocrites you are.
The ‘darkness’ is your own.
Brother Mcgregor said
Goodness E you sure assumed a lot from my one sentence didn’t you? Now if this group were to extend an open hand to Fred Phelps I’d have no problem with it but knowing Mrs Gaines Crockett like I do (from her ministrations behind the scenes) she would detest the publicity that move would give us. She would hate it in the sense that it might detract from the noble mission of Sam Brownback.
I’d sure like to be allied to them (GHF and Fred Phelps).
Next time read what I say and quit your darn fool stupid assumptions,,,mmmmm kay?
Thanks
Big E said
RE: Brother Mcgregor
“she would detest the publicity that move would give us. She would hate it in the sense that it might detract from the noble mission of Sam Brownback.”
So, …the only problem you have with aligning BFB2008 with Fred Phelps and his ideology
is that it’s so out of the mainstream that you folks fear it would garner negative publicity?
C’mon now Brother Mac,…[grow some you know whats].. have the courage of yours and Mrs. Gaines Crockett’s convictions to espouse your beliefs to the masses. Don’t be ashamed of what the publicity would do. You folks believe in Biblical murder. Proclaim it loudly from the highest hill tops for all to hear…….. or
Is what you ‘believe’ only to be spoken of in the shadows and back rooms where frauds launch conspiracies and other plots?
I think everyone would be VERY interested to know that Brownback and his supporters think Fred Phelps & Co. are correct in asserting that Americans who die in Iraq deserved to die and are going to hell.
Brother Mcgregor said
Well E I thought by posting on a public forum such as this…I was coming public.
Did someone invite you into this little secret internet Bohemian Grove? No you found it by yourself…
So…
hey I’m public
Brother Mcgregor said
lol E quit twisting…
I said Mrs Gaines Crockett’s prime motivation is to support Sam Brownback.
Now if she were to align with Fred Phelps it might take the onus elsewhere and that defeats the purpose.
I’m sure Mrs Gaines Crockett holds Mr Phelps in the highest regard (though not as high as the regard we have for Sam Brownback)
Do try and not twist clear sentences and meanings
Big E said
re: RE: Brother Mcgregor
“Did someone invite you into this little secret internet Bohemian Grove?”
actually,….. it was the fetid stench of bigotry, hatred and hypocrisy
masquerading as religion…
even over the ‘internets’… BFB2008 is an overwhelming foul, and offensive odor
that needs a little bit of public sunshine to help cleanse the festering ideological sores of your twisted hearts and minds.
Brother Mcgregor said
Be that as it may E…
certainly it is public
Big E said
well, I am glad you folks don’t believe in killing cats.. LOL
I do hope that you will choose another candidate
after Brownback vanishes and startup another website of ’support’
It’s been a stone cold gas…..
Maj. Batguano (ret.) said
I sure hope “Sad Christian” wasn’t talking about me, that I’m an “complete embrassment to yourself,” and that I had some kinda “theofacist agenda” and that my “hate can cut through iron gate, right into the path of hill,” where I belong. I’m talking about morality, and this person want me to focus my attention their.
Well, I been thinking about this Holy Baptizm of everybody, weather they want it or not, to make the country 100% again. And I think the problem is the schools.
Now lucky for me, I didn’t have much schoolin. I flunked the 3rd, 5th and 9th grades, and that was enough. But I’m proud of that, because the last 50 years or so, the rise of liberal, sexular humanism has done replaced that good old-time religion in our schools.
See, we used to start off each and every day with our teacher learnin’ us something from the Holy Bible, then singin’ “America the Beautiful” or “Our Country ‘Tis of Thee” – cause it mentions God, see, and the so-called national anthem don’t, and there weren’t no acceptions made just because you wasn’t White or Good Christian but got in our school anyways – followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to The Flag, and then we’d all get to prayin’ this prayer, that went a little somethin’ like this here:
“I pledge allegiance to the Cross,
of the One True Religion of the Unied States and America.
And to the Republicans for which It stands,
One White Nation, under God,
Invisible,
With Liberty and Justice for Us, God’s Chosen People.”
Then at recess, we’d put on these White hoods and robes and set us a big, roaring fire.
Those were the days, everybody dressin’ up alike and bein’ told what to do.
Anyhow, back then, with all that prayin’ and being read parts of God’s Sacred Word to us, slavery, segregation and such was the Way of the Righteousness.
But shoot, now that prayin’ is out of the schools, you can’t do any of that stuff anymore…now it’s all considered to be criminal activity. But back when we had the Bible in our schools, all of it was just fine.
I Pray to Our Lord and Savior…and His Father, but I think the Old Man’s passed most of the Holy Family business off to His Son by now…that Tancredo or y’all’s boy Brownback sets this country back the way it used to be.
Yours in Sealing the Borders, More Secret Prisons (both Foreign AND Domesticated), Nuking Iran, Continuing to Vote Inexplicably Against Our Own Best Interests, and Being Easily Taken Advantage Of by Any Self-Avowed Conservative Who Simply Utters the Magic Words (“God,” “gun ownership,” “gays,” “pro-life” and “illegal immigrants”)…
Maj. Batguano (ret.)
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